What Do You Think Of George Bush Going To Iraq Today?

Ok I see. "I hate Bush because of the war in [put country name here]" These wars are so new, they don't even have real names yet :)

But seriously, all you guys are interested in is foregin policy? I think Bush has done a descent job on domestic issues, including the economy Thats right, the economy. If you don't think the economy is improving, you must be in denial.
 
Originally posted by waedoe
hmm i havent seen any oil come from our iraq to our country have u? 0wned

Why have you been at the airport watching? Here's a dollar buy yourself a clue when your next at the 7-11 buying your fat **** candybars. :dozey:
 
Originally posted by waedoe
hey one way, what about the democrats huh?



plenty of democrats also.....


but republicans like to play on this note a little more....

only reason i say that.


Originally posted by LoneDeranger
Ok I see. "I hate Bush because of the war in [put country name here]" These wars are so new, they don't even have real names yet :)

But seriously, all you guys are interested in is foregin policy? I think Bush has done a descent job on domestic issues, including the economy Thats right, the economy. If you don't think the economy is improving, you must be in denial.


the economy improving has NOTHING to do with bush or his administration


our national debt is skyrocketing ....thanks to his administrations fiscal policys.
 
The economy improving? Yes it is, but it shouldn't even have to be considering when President Bush took office there was a $127 billion surplus, and now we are left with a $455 billion deficit that is expected to increase at least another $50 billion over the next year.
George W. Bush’s environmental policy opens up national forests for commercial logging and pushes for domestic oil exploration in protected areas. His economic policy includes tax breaks for corporations who move their operations overseas. And in Iraq, Vice President Dick Cheney's old corporation, Halliburton, has been awarded an exclusive contract to help rebuild infrastructure.The past two years have been a binge of tax cuts for the nation's millionaires and billionaires while job losses bring back memories of the Herbert Hoover administration. There are nine million Americans without jobs and under the Bush administration, almost three million jobs have disappeared.
But about his trip to Iraq, good PR stunt, and it was good for the troop moral, but if you can't smell the political agenda at work here then you need to get your nose checked.
 
Originally posted by Innervision961
But about his trip to Iraq, good PR stunt, and it was good for the troop moral, but if you can't smell the political agenda at work here then you need to get your nose checked.

Well said, politicians never do anything public without a PR reason behind it, and that in itself is a problem because today Politicians worry more about popularity polls than policies. Personally I think that this is mainly due to the comparative shortness of a term of office. The modern world is a complex place compared to the time that such things were originally devised. In many ways it takes longer for policies to come into effect and for the fruits of those policies to ripen, especially social policies, given the myriad number issues that need to be addressed nowadays. Subsequently politicans tend to focus on the short term gains more than the long term. I think longer terms of office between elections/votes would alter this way of thinking.
 
Originally posted by crabcakes66
the economy improving has NOTHING to do with bush or his administration

Really now? I find it ironic than that most people blamed him for the recession.
 
Originally posted by SIGbastard
So i guess you have to be a liberal to be informed and politically aware????

haha, no.. have you ever talked to the man on the street?? they have no idea wtf is going on. i can respect conservatives if they have some reasoning behind their conviction, just as i don't respect liberals who don't. the point, genius, is that americans in general are near to thoughtless about politics. we used to be apatheic, but then 9/11 happened and now we blindly follow the bush corporation. this doesn't amount to thought. luckily there is a large dessenter group on the left. that there isn't one on the right (this is the largest, most swollen government ever..), speaks to severe partisanship and general sheeplike behavior on their part. it doesn't take a genius to see that americans are fairly irresponsible, politically. look around.
 
Ok now this is my conspiracy theory. I think it might be too radical for anything besides Newsgroups, but I'll post it here anyway:

The Bush administration has Osama Bin Laden and/or Sadam under surveilance. However they are not arresting or killing them on purpose. Instead they want to wait closer to the 2004 election to do it. Then a month before the election they go for it, pulling off the ultimate PR stunt! Can you imagine the margin by which Bush will win?
 
Originally posted by SIGbastard
Why does nobody ever mention that the recession actually started before Bush even became president??? As such it should be called the Clinton recession. Bush played a good part in stopping the recession but no dem will ever give him credit for it. Bush has done GOOD for the economy. His tax cuts have done alot to get the economy back on its feet. As for treehugging agenda shit I really could not care less. There's actually alot of forests we need to thin out somewhat to prevent any more fires like the ones in California. Most treehuggers however think of humans as secondary which is outrageous. I'm not for dumping toxic waste everywhere or anything, I just think people go overboard with the whole environment subject. You hear such people crying about how much green house gases the U.S. contributes every year, but the funny thing is evertime a volcano erupts it produces more green house gases then the U.S. does in several years (i don't remember exactly how much). I'm certainly not as "informed" as those who study every quote Bush has made in order to find a grammatical error, but I pay enough attenion to know that Bush is the real deal. He's an honest man that alot of Americans can Identify with. He may not be as articulate as some former presidents such as the purger Clinton, but at least what you get out of him is the truth. I don't really undersand the argument over a presidents education. The Presidency was set up so a normal person could fill the job. There were Presidents in the 20th century who didn't even have a college education. Furthermore if bush made C's at Harvard that's good enough for me. I myself have one more semester before I get my B.S. in Zoology Biomedical Scciences, and hopefully will be starting dental school next fall.


bush is about as real as pamela andersons chest.

@LD

bush was not the cause of the economic rescession......his administration just made it worse.
 
When he does go, he better have some major protection. Like the popemobile or something.
 
Originally posted by crabcakes66
bush is about as real as pamela andersons chest.

@LD

bush was not the cause of the economic rescession......his administration just made it worse.

Crap Cakes, Whoops i mean Crab Cakes. has it ever occured to you that, you have no sense of the real world. You have been sheltered your whole life and will continue to be sheltered, since republicans fight for our, and your freedom. Liberals seem to think that if you ignore it long enough it will go away. im sick of this bullshit, Oh its for the Oil, oh look at our economy, you know it takes money to make money. As for you i guess you dont like helping your fellow man out. You'd rather have our troops go to waste here rather than fight for others freedom. Personnally i wish we could liberate every country on the face of the planet.
 
Originally posted by waedoe
Crap Cakes, Whoops i mean Crab Cakes. has it ever occured to you that, you have no sense of the real world. You have been sheltered your whole life and will continue to be sheltered, since republicans fight for our, and your freedom. Liberals seem to think that if you ignore it long enough it will go away. im sick of this bullshit, Oh its for the Oil, oh look at our economy, you know it takes money to make money. As for you i guess you dont like helping your fellow man out. You'd rather have our troops go to waste here rather than fight for others freedom. Personnally i wish we could liberate every country on the face of the planet.

you calling me sheltered is pretty funny....... ive moved around my whole life...ive lived in the north and south of the US..... very differant places.

ive been to about 14 differant schools in my life

I have no sense of the real world...LOL :D comming from someone who cant buy a pack of smokes.....

You dont know me at all.....
 
I find it funny that every time a debate about Bush, and his administration pops up around here this always happens. Us "left wing liberals" attack Bush's policies foreign and domestic for very legitimate reasons, and then a "right wing conservative" steps in and attacks the person attacking Bush's policies. Why is this? How come these "right wing" people can't debate what we said without an attack on our person or character, especially considering we are debating over the internet and not face to face it really makes your arguments pretty lame. So if our way of thinking is so wrong then please by all means point us in the right direction and don't try to change our minds by calling us "poo heads" because frankly it isn't working :cheers:
 
Originally posted by SIGbastard
Rrriigghhtt....

I'm sorry to inform you but this thread was practically a room for liberals to smear republicans. If you mistook it for a debate I would recommend lubing your asshole so you can pull your massive head out. Your liberal elitist attitude is pathetic. :dork:

Completely derogatory and report-worthy. Take your qualms elsewhere.

I don't care much for politics, and my view of Bush is very low. But this much is certain:
The troops needed the morale boost, and they whole-heartedly deserved it. While I do not agree with their commander-in-chief, I stand 100% behind the men and women fighting for their survival and for our well-being. Let us not repeat the mistakes of Vietnam and condemn the soldiers that may never know what they fight for (be it for orders, for country, for family, or for their fellow-soldiers). I salute them and thank them for the sacrifices they make.
 
Originally posted by SIGbastard
Rrriigghhtt....

I'm sorry to inform you but this thread was practically a room for liberals to smear republicans. If you mistook it for a debate I would recommend lubing your asshole so you can pull your massive head out. Your liberal elitist attitude is pathetic. :dork:

good job proving his point.....
 
Originally posted by SIGbastard
I'm only stooping to the level you guys had already went to.
that has to be the most awesome sentance ever devised.
 
Correctly-constructed sentences always help, dude.

Otherwise people like me might mistake you for some sort of ranting moron.
 
Originally posted by waedoe
You'd rather have our troops go to waste here rather than fight for others freedom. Personnally i wish we could liberate every country on the face of the planet.

this is funny. i don't see how our troops here as a living, breating deterrent against agression is a "waste".

especially since they're just going about their lives, having families, etc. you act like our troops are some troops you built in warcraft 3 and they're going to waste unless you throw them into battle.

i understand that it's good that we've liberated the Iraqi people from saddam hussein (even though that's not quite done yet) but it's pretty lame to talk about the troops as if them being home with their families is a waste.

and lil'timmy's right. most americans are retards when it comes to politics and current events...they're just too happy and concerned with their own lives to give a crap.

and for the record, i'm a registered independent...i'm not a "lib" or a "right-winger" or any of those labels people try to put on others. partisan politics is what i'm against.

you guys might as well be calling each other ******s and spics and stuff...you say it with the same attitude.
 
stooping to someone else's level is exactly what both parties do. it's dumb and counter-productive. just get back to the real debate...stop making personal attacks.
 
Originally posted by SIGbastard
I'm only stooping to his level.

Stooping is bad for your posture :p.


Do I get a gold star now???? I hope you could understand my sentence this time. If not we can keep trying.....

You would have gotten one, if you didn't cheek the teacher... sorry, silver star only, mate. You can keep trying...

O.T... I don't trust George Bush much, but I trust him more than Clinton. He's too dumb to actually pull anything, Cheney's the one you have to worry about.

George is actually kind of endearing, if you look at him in the right light...
 
Originally posted by Brian Damage
O.T... I don't trust George Bush much, but I trust him more than Clinton. He's too dumb to actually pull anything, Cheney's the one you have to worry about.

George is actually kind of endearing, if you look at him in the right light...

you do understand that if George is too dumb to pull anything as you say, then his advisors/staff/etc...basically everyone else...is running the gov't. and they'll do all the "pulling"

the whole cheney/haliburton thing is pretty disturbing...i couldn't be more sick of the republicans trying to privatize everything and give everything to big business and special interest groups.
 
Meh, yeah, Bush is a puppet.

<Gets funny mental image of Bush with someone's hand up his butt, muppet style>
 
Originally posted by SIGbastard
As for treehugging agenda shit I really could not care less. There's actually alot of forests we need to thin out somewhat to prevent any more fires like the ones in California. Most treehuggers however think of humans as secondary which is outrageous.

I'd love to know how thinking about the future of our entire planet (and with the human race being a key part of it) can be anything but a primary concern...

This narrow minded opinion that you have given highlights one of the main problems of the american government. No, not just the "tree hugging shit", but the fact that all politicians are after are quick results that look good on paper... gee, what about the future huh? Maybe someone else can sort that out further down the line when it's too late.

And i really wish people would stop thinking that America was this big war machine that cures the worlds problems. America doesn't "free" people so they can feel all warm and fuzzy inside. It's all about money, money, and more money...
 
Originally posted by Maskirovka
this is funny. i don't see how our troops here as a living, breating deterrent against agression is a "waste".

especially since they're just going about their lives, having families, etc. you act like our troops are some troops you built in warcraft 3 and they're going to waste unless you throw them into battle.

i understand that it's good that we've liberated the Iraqi people from saddam hussein (even though that's not quite done yet) but it's pretty lame to talk about the troops as if them being home with their families is a waste.

and lil'timmy's right. most americans are retards when it comes to politics and current events...they're just too happy and concerned with their own lives to give a crap.

and for the record, i'm a registered independent...i'm not a "lib" or a "right-winger" or any of those labels people try to put on others. partisan politics is what i'm against.

you guys might as well be calling each other ******s and spics and stuff...you say it with the same attitude.

Correct me if im wrong, but dont we all have jobs. If you dont do your job you are being useless, and a waste to society. A military man *VOLUNTEERS*, and willingly accepts that he will die for his country. A military is composed to fight for the country and its ideals. So in my opinion if our troops aren't fighting they are wasting our tax dollars and upkeep.
 
Originally posted by pHATE1982
I'd love to know how thinking about the future of our entire planet (and with the human race being a key part of it) can be anything but a primary concern...

This narrow minded opinion that you have given highlights one of the main problems of the american government. No, not just the "tree hugging shit", but the fact that all politicians are after are quick results that look good on paper... gee, what about the future huh? Maybe someone else can sort that out further down the line when it's too late.

And i really wish people would stop thinking that America was this big war machine that cures the worlds problems. America doesn't "free" people so they can feel all warm and fuzzy inside. It's all about money, money, and more money...

Ok so you say americas all about the money. is that why america has spent hundreds of billions of dollars on iraq, and putting ourselves at risk, not to mention debt. Its not about the money. You act like Americas this horrible place for wanting money. Hmmm it seems to me that FRANCE didnt want to help iraq because they had really nice ties with the iraqi oil. Quit bitching about how bad america is and look at some of our counter-parts for a change.
 
Originally posted by crabcakes66
you calling me sheltered is pretty funny....... ive moved around my whole life...ive lived in the north and south of the US..... very differant places.

ive been to about 14 differant schools in my life

I have no sense of the real world...LOL :D comming from someone who cant buy a pack of smokes.....

You dont know me at all.....

You have never left the states. Your sheltered. OMG you've been to 14 schools lived in different states im not sheltered. Give it up. Anyone who lives in the states for thier whole life is sheltered (including canada, and some parts of Mexico). Yes ive lived my whole life in the states and consider my self sheltered.
 
why the hell are people still using oil as a reason to go to war.

OF COURSE ITS A REASON. can we live withour air? water?

hell no. bush is right to defend our NECESSITIES as a country. not everyone rides a bike to work (see: liberal). send us back to the stoneage why dont you.

ive yet to see a single good reason as to why bush is a poor president. you all preach and moan about how hes dumb, not qualified, whatever. how he likes to invade countries and kill innocent civilians. bullSHIT! if anyones killing civilians its fedayeem remnants, and saddams old regime. the majority of iraqi's WANT us here, contrary to what your liberal-because-its-popular parents jam down your throats. many islamics LIKE western culture, thus why there are so many muslims living in america now.

regarding the military, you volunteer. simple as that. there is no draft, you join the military to FIGHT. you do NOT join the military to get a free ride through college. you just dont. our soldiers know what they are getting into, and invalidating a war they obviously believe in is stupid, how about you support them instead of finding something to bitch about, which people (timmy, and all the onya people) do very well.
 
Originally posted by gh0st
why the hell are people still using oil as a reason to go to war.

OF COURSE ITS A REASON. can we live withour air? water?

hell no. bush is right to defend our NECESSITIES as a country. not everyone rides a bike to work (see: liberal). send us back to the stoneage why dont you.

ive yet to see a single good reason as to why bush is a poor president. you all preach and moan about how hes dumb, not qualified, whatever. how he likes to invade countries and kill innocent civilians. bullSHIT! if anyones killing civilians its fedayeem remnants, and saddams old regime. the majority of iraqi's WANT us here, contrary to what your liberal-because-its-popular parents jam down your throats. many islamics LIKE western culture, thus why there are so many muslims living in america now.

regarding the military, you volunteer. simple as that. there is no draft, you join the military to FIGHT. you do NOT join the military to get a free ride through college. you just dont. our soldiers know what they are getting into, and invalidating a war they obviously believe in is stupid, how about you support them instead of finding something to bitch about, which people (timmy, and all the onya people) do very well.

That's the onya person, thank you oh-so-very-much. :p

Well, can't blame you for getting it wrong. Someone obviously pushed your hot-button. ;)

You do realise that your first two lines seem to contradict each other, don't you?

So... your necessities overrule other's necessities? Fine. Fine. Nice to know someone's still using their brain to cool their blood, however inefficiently.

Bush does appear rather stupid. And I do believe intelligence is an important qualification for the leader of a country. And both American and Saddam loyalist soldiers have killed civilians. Could it have been avoided? At the moment, we can't say.

I'll support your soldiers. I hope that too many more don't die unnecessarily. I wish them a speedy return. Remember, we Aussies sent soldiers too, so I can see where you're coming from. And they don't "obviously believe in" this war, I'm afraid. They may have joined of their own free will, but getting out is harder.
 
I am so sick of these kinds of threads... We went to war. It's over, and your not gunna change it.

1. We didn't go to war for oil, otherwise I think we would have heard about Bush taking all the oil from Iraq.
2. Bush is not dumb, he went to Harvard.
3. Civilians do die in war, believe it or not.
4. I also read something somewhere that said that to repay all our war debts with oil from Iraq it would take some huge amount of years, in the millions....

Several other things, but I'm sick right now and can't really think...:dozey:
 
Originally posted by pat_thetic
I am so sick of these kinds of threads... We went to war. It's over, and your not gunna change it.

1. We didn't go to war for oil, otherwise I think we would have heard about Bush taking all the oil from Iraq.

What, all at once? They're not going to ship it all out in government supertankers, dude, it's a squidgeon more subtle than that...


2. Bush is not dumb, he went to Harvard.

As mentioned before, that means diddly-squat for a person from a rich family...


3. Civilians do die in war, believe it or not.

Yes. What we are doing is called "be-moan-ing" that. Ie: some of us don't like it, and think that civilian casualties could, and should, be reduced...


4. I also read something somewhere that said that to repay all our war debts with oil from Iraq it would take some huge amount of years, in the millions....

Find it then, and show us...


Several other things, but I'm sick right now and can't really think...:dozey:

Well, I'm sleepy.
 
The thread was from bf42.com and was posted sometime in March. I don't have the time to find it right now, but I will search later....

Edit: It was deleted in the Summit takeover, so I will not be able to find it. I will try to find the guy who posted it, he may still have it saved somewhere...
 
About the Harvard thing, I doubt they paid Harvard off, that school is like a liberal breeding ground. Bush wouldn't take the chance of being caught... Plus, how did he get through Harvard without failing if he is so dumb?

And this is basically how all political threads end up:

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<Eurakarte> QUESTIONING OF SEXUAL PREFERENCE
<Donut[AFK]> SUGGESTION TO SHUT THE **** UP
<Eurakarte> NOTATION THAT YOU CREATE A VACUUM
<Donut[AFK]> RIPOSTE
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<Miles_Prower> ACKNOWLEDGEMENT AND ACCEPTENCE OF TERMS
 
Originally posted by waedoe
Ok so you say americas all about the money. is that why america has spent hundreds of billions of dollars on iraq, and putting ourselves at risk, not to mention debt. Its not about the money. You act like Americas this horrible place for wanting money. Hmmm it seems to me that FRANCE didnt want to help iraq because they had really nice ties with the iraqi oil. Quit bitching about how bad america is and look at some of our counter-parts for a change.


So you're saying america are good guys who go around saving the world for no-profit reasons?

Eithiopia/Kashmir/Congo/Columbia/Sudan/Angola/Nigeria/Tibet etc etc... I could name lots more.

Recognise the above regions or countries? You realise that there are thousands of people dying in these regions due to oppression/war of some kind? And most of these conflicts have been around for a great many years.

So why hasn't america stepped in and saved the day huh?

BECAUSE THERE IS NO PROFIT IN WAR IN THOSE REGIONS...

(I'm not saying any other developed world government is any better, but unlike pro-bush americans the rest of us arn't in denial)
 
Originally posted by waedoe

Crap Cakes, Whoops i mean Crab Cakes. has it ever occured to you that, you have no sense of the real world. You have been sheltered your whole life and will continue to be sheltered, since republicans fight for our, and your freedom. Liberals seem to think that if you ignore it long enough it will go away. im sick of this bullshit, Oh its for the Oil, oh look at our economy, you know it takes money to make money. As for you i guess you dont like helping your fellow man out. ***You'd rather have our troops go to waste here rather than fight for others freedom. Personnally i wish we could liberate every country on the face of the planet***.


Originally posted by pHATE1982
So you're saying america are good guys who go around saving the world for no-profit reasons?

Eithiopia/Kashmir/Congo/Columbia/Sudan/Angola/Nigeria/Tibet etc etc... I could name lots more.

Recognise the above regions or countries? You realise that there are thousands of people dying in these regions due to oppression/war of some kind? And most of these conflicts have been around for a great many years.

So why hasn't america stepped in and saved the day huh?

BECAUSE THERE IS NO PROFIT IN WAR IN THOSE REGIONS...

(I'm not saying any other developed world government is any better, but unlike pro-bush americans the rest of us arn't in denial)

Hey why dont you read my other posts before you try to make me look bad. ***<----- read between those you'll notice that i would like every country liberated....

[EDIT] oh yeah to awnser your question about not going to war and helping those countries. its cause pussy liberals dont want us to go, "OH TO MANY CIVILIAN CASUALTIES". get real people die in war, its not a squirt gun fight. Mabe if the people of america would be more incline to help rather than be so selfish (liberals) we would be liberating countries like Eithiopia/Kashmir/Congo/Columbia/Sudan/Angola/Nigeria/Tibet.
 
Originally posted by waedoe
Hey why dont you read my other posts before you try to make me look bad. ***<----- read between those you'll notice that i would like every country liberated....

I didn't deny that... but your quote stated it wasn't about the money (Thats why I quoted it, it wasn't a direct attack on you). And it is... there is no denying it. Every country with a military power is guilty of it.

So why don't YOU read my post properly.


edit: in to response to your edit... No it's not the liberals. IT'S THE MONEY. What would america gain from liberating the congo? Nothing... So why risk american soldiers lives for it?
 
Originally posted by waedoe
Ok so you say americas all about the money. is that why america has spent hundreds of billions of dollars on iraq, and putting ourselves at risk, not to mention debt. Its not about the money. You act like Americas this horrible place for wanting money. Hmmm it seems to me that FRANCE didnt want to help iraq because they had really nice ties with the iraqi oil. Quit bitching about how bad america is and look at some of our counter-parts for a change.

Like i said before PHAT does it look like were making any money? No, its about helping people and stopping terrorism. whats so hard to understand. Oh wait i remeber, its cause liberals are used to back stabbing each other so they belive every one around will do that. So far NO OIL HAS COME TO US, WE'VE LIBERATED IRAQ, and we've sufferd VERY FEW CASUALTIES. Not to mention were stopping terrorism on a broader scale.

[Edit] WHAT HAS AMERICA GOTTEN FROM IRAQ?????? NOTHING
 
Originally posted by waedoe
Like i said before PHAT does it look like were making any money? No, its about helping people and stopping terrorism. whats so hard to understand. Oh wait i remeber, its cause liberals are used to back stabbing each other so they belive every one around will do that. So far NO OIL HAS COME TO US, WE'VE LIBERATED IRAQ, and we've sufferd VERY FEW CASUALTIES. Not to mention were stopping terrorism on a broader scale.

[Edit] WHAT HAS AMERICA GOTTEN FROM IRAQ?????? NOTHING

So all the big AMERICAN companies making big money rebuilding Iraq arn't getting anything out of it?

As for the oil siuation... how naive. Did you realise that america has said they will swap food/infrastructure and aid for oil? Um... that also includes an alleged special low fixed rate for years to come...

So no profits huh?

You are just quoting propaganda that the american government has deemed fit to release. And american news channels are pro-american and have stood by the troops (which is good, don't get me wrong... I support the troops 100%). Therefore such negative comments have not been as forthcoming as in the rest of the world. Maybe you should watch a different countries news channel?
 
Originally posted by pHATE1982
Maybe you should watch a different countries news channel?

But those are all anti-American so what they broadcast are all lies. Isn't that so Waedoo?
 
Originally posted by =)PoLo(=
But those are all anti-American so what they broadcast are all lies. Isn't that so Waedoo?

The UK government and news channels arn't anti american... but they also arn't trying to keep US people happy like the US news channels. The same goes for alot of europe/asia/australasia

So what's your point?

And yeah right... the REST of the world is lying, but the good old US of A is telling us all the truth. Um wait? So if a hundred people tell you one thing all from different backgrounds, religions and walks of life... but the big guy who is defending himself says the rest are lying, who do u believe?

edit: I'd like to appologise if u were being sarcastic, lol
 
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