What is more important, National Security and profit or "Freedom"

[Cuddlez.ini]

I want true freedom. I want Anarchy. I want to live off the fatta the land and have rabbits. I don't want to live like ancient Greeks. I want to live like the people of the Dark Ages. Information kills us. Desire destroys our souls. Selfishness causes us to fall. I want to turn my back on all of that. Security means nothing. I would rather be killed standing on my feet, a free man, than live forever on my knees under your "security". Security makes us passive. Passivity makes us dull. We hide in our designer jeans, luxury automobiles. We go to the movies to escape the dreariness of our lives. We turn to drugs, alcohol, cigarettes. I run from all that. We have no heroes. No great wars. Our war is in ourselves, in our hearts. I want to win. Violence does not solve problems. Violence ends problems. We fight ourselves to fit in to mold. I fight society to destroy the mold. Security numbs us to Reality! Smash the System! Capitalism is Slavery!

 

[gh0st]

I want true freedom. I want Anarchy. I want to live off the fatta the land and have rabbits. I don't want to live like ancient Greeks. I want to live like the people of the Dark Ages. Information kills us. Desire destroys our souls. Selfishness causes us to fall. I want to turn my back on all of that. Security means nothing. I would rather be killed standing on my feet, a free man, than live forever on my knees under your "security". Security makes us passive. Passivity makes us dull. We hide in our designer jeans, luxury automobiles. We go to the movies to escape the dreariness of our lives. We turn to drugs, alcohol, cigarettes. I run from all that. We have no heroes. No great wars. Our war is in ourselves, in our hearts. I want to win. Violence does not solve problems. Violence ends problems. We fight ourselves to fit in to mold. I fight society to destroy the mold. Security numbs us to Reality! Smash the System! Capitalism is Slavery!

I think you contridicted yourself about 800 times in that Lets get drunk everybody.

 

[Cuddlez.ini]

Woohoo Drunk!!! I'll bring the beer!

 

[gh0st]

Woohoo Drunk!!! I'll bring the beer!

I'll bring the goat for kmack

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:naughty:

 

[15357]

I want true freedom. I want Anarchy. I want to live off the fatta the land and have rabbits. I don't want to live like ancient Greeks. I want to live like the people of the Dark Ages. Information kills us. Desire destroys our souls. Selfishness causes us to fall. I want to turn my back on all of that. Security means nothing. I would rather be killed standing on my feet, a free man, than live forever on my knees under your "security". Security makes us passive. Passivity makes us dull. We hide in our designer jeans, luxury automobiles. We go to the movies to escape the dreariness of our lives. We turn to drugs, alcohol, cigarettes. I run from all that. We have no heroes. No great wars. Our war is in ourselves, in our hearts. I want to win. Violence does not solve problems. Violence ends problems. We fight ourselves to fit in to mold. I fight society to destroy the mold. Security numbs us to Reality! Smash the System! Capitalism is Slavery!

1. WTF?

2. WTF?

3. What?

4. Death solves all problems.

5. Information also saves us too.

6. Destroy Capitallism!

7. After reading a bit more closely, i have to say, WTF are you talking about?

8. After reading it for the 8th time, i still can't say which one you support.

so, in all, good bye.

 

[Cuddlez.ini]

Dewd... dnot aevn teka taht sireawsly mannnnn//.... we'rere juts gettttting drunnnnnnkkkkkkkkk remmmebbbbbbbbrrrrr??///??

I gawt sedonc bidssss on teh gaoT!!!!!!!!!

 

[jverne]

Not at all buddy. Diabetics would die off, so there would be none left, cuz the ones that are getting born would die. No pollution becuase there is nothing being made. If you are a history major then you should know roughly what living during the Greek times was like. Would you like to live that way? In fear of your life and property?

1. If you live unhealthy you're much more likely to get diabetes, so how many deaths diabetes caused in history?

2. Wtf??!! Then who built the piramids, the great wall, wonderful sculptures, public baths, aqua-dutcs, japanese katanas, guns, diamond jewels (im still don't know how did they manage to grind it),................................................the list goes FAR on

3. I know way better than you how did they lived, unless you were a slave or a woman you had many rights (during Athens golden age), democracy was first concived by the Old Greeks you know!? What fear, anyone (more or less from the same class) who killed you without a good reason would get killed to!

 

[15357]

1. If you live unhealthy you're much more likely to get diabetes, so how many deaths diabetes caused in history?

2. Wtf??!! Then who built the piramids, the great wall, wonderful sculptures, public baths, aqua-dutcs, japanese katanas, guns, diamond jewels (im still don't know how did they manage to grind it),................................................the list goes FAR on

3. I know way better than you how did they lived, unless you were a slave or a woman you had many rights (during Athens golden age), democracy was first concived by the Old Greeks you know!? What fear, anyone (more or less from the same class) who killed you without a good reason would get killed to!

1. no answer

2. the great wall and ect were built by the goverment of that time.

3. you are right.

 

[jverne]

2. the great wall and ect were built by the goverment of that time.

well, yes it's true, but not all of it, that part about diamond and sculptures were made by free citizens without the help of the gov.

ok, yes, we do owe to the gov. but it also ows a lot to us, personaly i can't see why should half the nations income go to the millitary?!You don't need that much to defend yourself, from this point of view a man should spend half it's pay on the police (without other taxes) which would leave how much, 10% net for him?

i'm still a supporter of decentralised gov., there's less corruption and better attention to details (or problems)! more people in power leads to more compromises and therfore wider spectre of rules, not just one persons desires (aka Bush-->republicans)

 

[Kebean PFC]

Wait, I thought you were a supporter of anarchy! Oh well never mind...

If you live unhealthy you're much more likely to get diabetes, so how many deaths diabetes caused in history?

Ok, it was a bad example.

2. Wtf??!! Then who built the piramids, the great wall, wonderful sculptures, public baths, aqua-dutcs, japanese katanas, guns, diamond jewels (im still don't know how did they manage to grind it),................................................the list goes FAR on

They were built becuase of government orders. Except for the jewels and stuff, and that was for money.

3. I know way better than you how did they lived, unless you were a slave or a woman you had many rights (during Athens golden age), democracy was first concived by the Old Greeks you know!? What fear, anyone (more or less from the same class) who killed you without a good reason would get killed to!

So you think. Actually you do, i am deciding whether to be an English or History major... But i though you were for anarchy, not decentralized government. I have been debating the wrong point.

 

[kirovman]

I'll bring the goat for kmack

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:naughty:

Kmack's dead. When did that happen?

Anyway Anarchy is true freedom with the pitfall that it's every man for himself in essence.
And some form of government would be restored in a finite timespan, because the power vacuum would need to be filled.

 

[jverne]

But i though you were for anarchy, not decentralized government. I have been debating the wrong point.

Well true anarchy doesn't exist and if it would i wouldn't mind, but being real decentralized gov. is a good compromise betwen anarchy and law (evry group for themselves...sort of)!

Anyway Anarchy is true freedom with the pitfall that it's every man for himself in essence.
And some form of government would be restored in a finite timespan, because the power vacuum would need to be filled.

This is quite true! sooner or later an elite would pop out and make themselves rulers! :hmph: :smoking:

 

[15357]

Well true anarchy doesn't exist and if it would i wouldn't mind, but being real decentralized gov. is a good compromise betwen anarchy and law (evry group for themselves...sort of)!



This is quite true! sooner or later an elite would pop out and make themselves rulers! :hmph: :smoking:

1. Centralized goverment = Stronger nation = Better standard of living for citizens

2. yep.

 

[jverne]

1. Centralized goverment = Stronger nation = Better standard of living for citizens

2. yep.

The greek were much stronger at their time than, say...egipt! It all depends!
The EU will be much stronger than the USA, in the near future!


don't forget..."the bigger they are the harder they fall!!" :thumbs:

and almost forgot..."two heads are better than one!"

 

[15357]

The greek were much stronger at their time than, say...egipt! It all depends!
The EU will be much stronger than the USA, in the near future!


don't forget..."the bigger they are the harder they fall!!" :thumbs:

and almost forgot..."two heads are better than one!"

the bigger they are, the harder to make them fall.

and

two heads make everyone stare.