Whats gonna happen to Iran?

[Lemonking]

They say they wont build nukes,even If they do, so what?
Israel has held a gun to their head for the last few years.Israel has nukes nobodys crying about them. And also The US have so many nukes they where the only ones that used it to (They had to use it imo) but still why are they crying all the time?:|

 

[Kamikazie]

im still trying to straightin out what you are trying to say...could you clarify a little bit please?

 

[The Monkey]

I think he's trying to say that if Israel and the US are allowed to have weapons, so should Iran.

 

[Kamikazie]

I think he's trying to say that if Israel and the US are allowed to have weapons, so should Iran.

thank you Mr. Monkey.
i think the reason why the US is allowed to have them is because noone really can take them away (besides the UN) and Israel needs to protect themselves from the evil Iranians /US propaganda

 

[Icarusintel]

If Iran f*cks up too bad, they'll get obliterated... simple as that

 

[15357]

They repealed an anti-Korean imports thingy and asked us to support their peaceful nuclear programs not too long ago.

 

[VictimOfScience]

There'll probably UN sanctions and nothing else will happen for a while. Unless of course someone decides that the sanctions aren't doing enough and force must be employed, but it will likely take a long while to come to that. Hopefully....

 

[Kangy]

I suppose if they're REALLY unresponsive, NATO might strategically bomb the sites where they're "peacefully" working on the uranium. But "peacefully" my ass. Everyone has a right to nuclear energy, I agree, but what they don't have the right to is unobserved work on the uranium RIGHT AFTER your President says he'd like to kill everyone in Israel, who're pretty much right next door. Sound right to you?

Not me. If most countries wanted this, I wouldn't mind, but it sounds kinda BS to me after all he's said.

 

[jerkasaur]

i think the reason why the US is allowed to have them is because noone really can take them away (besides the UN)

not even the UN,

If Iran f*cks up too bad, they'll get obliterated... simple as that

using nuke bombs is religiously forbidden, cause it kills women and children and those who are not in war, which is against islamic rules.

I suppose if they're REALLY unresponsive, NATO might strategically bomb the sites where they're "peacefully" working on the uranium. But "peacefully" my ass. Everyone has a right to nuclear energy, I agree, but what they don't have the right to is unobserved work on the uranium RIGHT AFTER your President says he'd like to kill everyone in Israel, who're pretty much right next door. Sound right to you?

Israel has more than 300 nukes, consider that and you'll get your answer.
about the bold part, he never said that...

 

[CptStern]

If Iran f*cks up too bad, they'll get obliterated... simple as that

you think you'll walk away without a scratch? millions will die on BOTH sides if nuclear weapons are ever used


I dont understand how some of you can believe that you can just unilaterally walk in and stomp anyone you please and you wont feel any repricussions at all ...some of you have learned nothing from 9/11


oh and Iran did **** up back in the 50's: they dared democratically elect a leader who you didnt appove of so you overthrew him and put in the brutal shah Pahlavi. Fundamentalism was a response to his brutality that culminated in the islamic revolution that led to his exile and the rise of the Ayatollah


http://www.nytimes.com/library/world/mideast/041600iran-cia-index.html

 

[VictimOfScience]

using nuke bombs is religiously forbidden, cause it kills women and children and those who are not in war, which is against islamic rules.

Just like the women and children who died in the attacks on the WTC in 2001? Just like the women and children who die everyday in Iraq from suicide bombers targetting anyone remotely sympathetic to American forces or the new Iraqi government? Saying that they wouldn't use nukes because its against Islamic law is ludicrous. All of these chowderheads are giving Islam a really bad name by even remotely associating their carnage with their religion.

 

[Raziaar]

Well. Over the years, its become kind of obvious that the united states, and Israel have no intentions of using nukes out of pure unadulterated aggression. The one time nukes were used by the united states, it wasn't a sign of unprovoked aggression, no matter what you thought about the nuking of Japan(in my opinion, it was very awful, but necessary).

When you get to some countries like Iran, Iraq... etc, and the prospect of nuclear weapons, its difficult to tell whether or not these people would use them with very little serious provocation. Especially since you have members of the governments there speaking about the destruction of israel, etc. It's only a matter of time before you come to such a radical group, that they don't care about the holy land... and their agenda is more strongly oriented towards the obliteration of the Jewish people.

All in all... my personal belief is while yes, you might likely have corrupted governments in Israel, and the united states... but no wheres near corrupted enough to utilize nukes in a strictly aggressive manner. I can't say I have the same opinion about the wildly fanatic governments of some of countries, like Iran.

I only hope the united states can exercise enough influence with israel over the years, so that noone who is crazy enough to use nukes without the best reasons in the world ever gets elected into power.

But hey... what do I know, huh?

 

[Razor]

Just like the women and children who died in the attacks on the WTC in 2001? Just like the women and children who die everyday in Iraq from suicide bombers targetting anyone remotely sympathetic to American forces or the new Iraqi government? Saying that they wouldn't use nukes because its against Islamic law is ludicrous. All of these chowderheads are giving Islam a really bad name by even remotely associating their carnage with their religion.

Committing suicide is also against Islamic beliefs.

 

[Raziaar]

using nuke bombs is religiously forbidden, cause it kills women and children and those who are not in war, which is against islamic rules.

Not to mention, women and children are already highly prized targets in suicide bombing attacks, for those who have been doing it. Nobody is spared over there on who does and who doesn't. Its just about getting as many people into the blast as you can.

Sick.

 

[mortiz]

The U.S. has a strict policy regarding nuclear weapons: They don't fire first basically.

So the ball is in Iran's court. They can continue their nuclear "energy" program and face the risk of sanctions or they can give up the ghost. If Iran's president wasn't such a hard-liner I doubt there'd be this much fuss over it, but he doesn't help himself or his country to make their case for proliferating nuclear energy when he says things along the lines of what he has said. If he'd kept his mouth shut he might have convinced the world his intentions were purely to increase Iran’s energy options.

 

[CptStern]

The U.S. has a strict policy regarding nuclear weapons: They don't fire first basically.

not any more they dont

 

[mortiz]

not any more they dont

wow, sucks for us.

 

[CptStern]

I think there's a word that needs to be said more often by americans: impeachment

 

[mortiz]

The scary thig is that :

If an adversary intended to use WMD against the U.S. multinational or allied forces or a civilian population;
In cases of an imminent attack from an adversary's biological weapons that only effects from nuclear weapons can safely destroy;
Against adversary installations, including WMD; deep, hardened bunkers containing chemical or biological weapons; or the command-and-control infrastructure required for the adversary to execute a WMD attack against the U.S. or its friends and allies; and
In cases where a demonstration of U.S. intent and capability to use nuclear weapons would deter WMD use by an adversary.

Would all be judged by U.S. intelligence which we already know is far from perfect. They've been wrong about a country developing WMD's once.

 

[CptStern]

pretty freaky if you ask me

I wonder how much of that is postulating fluff and how much is actual procedure:

listened to a Scott Ritter interview yesterday (wmd inspector since 1991) ..he said that it wasnt an intelligence mistake ..he said he went to congress as early as 1992 with proof that saddam had been successfully disarmed and that he didnt have the capabilities to make more for a very long time. WMD was never a concern for the US (except for the fact that if if the inspection teams were successful they'd have to lift sanctions which was always meant to destabilize saddam) ..it was about regime change ...so it doesnt take faulty intelligence to justify a war ...you could literally make up anything

 

[VictimOfScience]

so it doesnt take faulty intelligence to justify a war ...you could literally make up anything

Haha! Yup, even the whole war.

 

[CptStern]

great movie, very plausible scenario ...I think Hoffman represented the average american ..he probably realized to late what they were capable of

 

[Llama]

I just hope nothing comes of it - I dont want to die, just like everyone else wants to survive.

 

[clarky003]

One main reason America really gives a shit about Iran is because its threatening to switch their petro dollar usage over to the euro, just as Saddam actually did before the war.

Whats the first thing the US did when they got into Iraq? for the record they secured oil field's and immediately changed operation's from the euro back to the petro dollar.

The American economy thrives on the petro dollar... and therefore they are extra pissed at any middle eastern country's who are breaking that petro dollar cycle, since the middle east contain's and control's the largest most profitable reserves left in the world It is essential to the US economy.

If you dont have a clue, read about the precious petrodollar and how it's constant/interrupted flow can make or break the US economy. http://www.oilempire.us/euro.html

There are many other motives for the tense situation's at present, infact id have to say the WMD would be somewhere near the back of their minds as America has the capabilities to intercept launched WMD, but they want us to focus on it obviously, because its bang boom.. scary! suggesting something to be physically scared of weither the threat is real or not = population owned.

America are trying to defend their number 1 world standing, its competition, but as resources are dwindling and people feel the need to maintain the origional economy so strongly.. competition will turn nasty if someone doesnt stand up and suggest change.

http://www.oilempire.us/graphics/trial.jpg

 

[jerkasaur]

to all those people who complain about those crackheads that suicide-bomb and kill alot of people, including women and children... who says they're really muslims?

 

[Lemonking]

they are. why are you questioning that? :S

 

[Raziaar]

to all those people who complain about those crackheads that suicide-bomb and kill alot of people, including women and children... who says they're really muslims?

And they're not crackheads. <chuckles> Unless thats just a figure of speech.

 

[CptStern]

to all those people who complain about those crackheads that suicide-bomb and kill alot of people, including women and children... who says they're really muslims?

they're muslims in the same way Jim Jones or Pat Robertson claim to be christian


spicy tuna/lemon: please think about what you say before you post anything, write it down and say it out loud if need be but for gods sakes THINK before you speak

 

[Raziaar]

they're muslims in the same way Jim Jones or Pat Robertson claim to be christian

One of the more intelligent things i've heard you say. At least you're no longer using those people for blanket generalizations about christians.

 

[CptStern]

I never did ..I always refer to them as fundamentalists or extremists

 

[Dr. Freeman]

One of the more intelligent things i've heard you say. At least you're no longer using those people for blanket generalizations about christians.

Stern has said many intelligent things before...the fact that people disagree is not Stern's problem
anyway...dare i say its only a matter of time before WW3.

 

[CptStern]

thanks :thumbs:

 

[dream431ca]

Bush is talking to the UN again, urging action...you know what that means...

http://news.yahoo.com/fc/world/iran

 

[CptStern]

Bush is talking to the UN again, urging action...you know what that means...

somebody's finally going to take him out?

 

[Llama]

*Retreats to bunker*

 

[ComradeBadger]

Lemonking, post stuff like that again and you shall be banned for a week ok?

 

[Bob_Marley]

Iran seems to pose a significant problem for the US.

They dont want sanctions because that might drive up oil prices.

They can't (easily and with out resorting to using bunker-buster bombs [aka the fun sized H-bomb]) execute a precision airstrike on Iranian nuclear development sites (ala Isreali airstrikes on Iraq in '81) as they are spread throughout the country and many are hidden deep under ground.

They cant invade (at the moment) because of they really need to get Iraq and Afganistan sorted before they go on any more military adventures.

So this leaves the US in a bit of a pickle. Which is why they are currently trying to gather support against Iran (most notibly from Russia).

And this may be easier than it first sounds. This is becasue of the hard line of the current Iranian govenment and the fact that they wont comply with madatory inspections to make sure that they're not up to any mischeif.

Personally I would say that the current US stratergy would be one of isolating Iran from the international community. They already seem to have the EU on side (or at least Britan, France and Germany) and if they can convince the Russians of their position things may speed up.

If they can achive this and they can get a security council resolution the posibility for an attack or even a full scale invasion may change significantly.

 

[RakuraiTenjin]

The U.S. has a strict policy regarding nuclear weapons: They don't fire first basically.

So the ball is in Iran's court. They can continue their nuclear "energy" program and face the risk of sanctions or they can give up the ghost. If Iran's president wasn't such a hard-liner I doubt there'd be this much fuss over it, but he doesn't help himself or his country to make their case for proliferating nuclear energy when he says things along the lines of what he has said. If he'd kept his mouth shut he might have convinced the world his intentions were purely to increase Iran’s energy options.

Actually we were the first to fire nukes a lot of the time in wargames during the coldwar. We started taking massive casualties around Poland and deploy them there. Russia counterstrikes in Germany, Europe gets pretty messed up. Never really resulted in nuclear holocaust but millions would be dead if they were real situations.

 

[SAJ]

Some facts;

Iran is allowed to research and develop methods of enriching uranium under the NPT (Non Prolferation Treaty) of which it is a signitory.

Iran has been conducting(as far as is known) all of its R&D under the watch of the IAEA (cameras , inspectors etc).

The recent resumption of enrichment activity, is not a breach of any rule. The suspension of activity was a voluntery move on Iran's side.

There is no real evidence that Irans activities are anything to do with building nuclear weapons, the enrichment process has dual use but thats about all.

When an ally of the US was ruling Iran( the Shah) Washington had no problem with Iran researching nuclear technology. In fact Henry Kissenger( Secretary of state under Nixon) had this to say on Washingtons attitude now, vs then;

then Iran needed nuclear energy because it was an ally; now it doesn’t need nuclear energy because it has abundant hydrocarbon resources, so it must be developing nuclear weapons capacity.

The real question should not be what will happen to Iran.
It should be, why are we being prepared for another viscious senseless slaughter of the "other".

The war drums are beating , they were made for you and I.

 

[CptStern]

/me wipes tear

bravo!

I especially like the last line