Where did those VALVe guys get the ideal of the striders ?

to bad starship troopers was awesome. it was supposed to be campy. plus the action was top shelf. what else would you expect from the talented peter verhoeven.
 
Hey everybody!

This is way cool!!!

GREAT to see all these post in this thread!!! :thumbs:

Talking about WotW and all these other Sci-fi movies (even if they are not that great) really makes me want to see them AGAIN! It also kinda helps to get your mind off the hl2 delay and thinking of other things; movies, books etc. etc.!!.......Well sorta anyways!!

Helken Polya

:LOL::LOL::LOL:
 
right now i have a magazine clipping of the concept art for the strider taped to my wall. i'm looking at it and i'm thinking, why the hell did valve make the big part of the strider that looked like a stinger shoot the machinegun and the tiny tiny antenna shoot the BFG.

they have the larger looking gun shooting little shots while the tiny gun is blastin walls into confetti

what is up with that
 
Flyingdebris said:
right now i have a magazine clipping of the concept art for the strider taped to my wall. i'm looking at it and i'm thinking, why the hell did valve make the big part of the strider that looked like a stinger shoot the machinegun and the tiny tiny antenna shoot the BFG.

they have the larger looking gun shooting little shots while the tiny gun is blastin walls into confetti

what is up with that
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It's not size that matters -- it's what you do with it.
 
Mr-Fusion said:
That reminds me of Rendevouz with Rama, the 3 thing. Probably another source of inspiration.
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Yeah but they weren't very big, and had tail thingamagigs
 
It's not size that matters -- it's what you do with it.
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with that logic someone could justify that outty bellybuttons could be used for reproductive purposes and penises would be useless (as bellybuttons are)
 
Navels served their purpose. The "belly button" is where the umbilical cord (gets nutrition from the mother to the baby) connected. The reason the "belly button" remains behind is that it the umbilical cord went all the way through the abdominal wall and the surrounding tissue had to form around it. After you are born the cord is cut and the rest is just tied shut and eventually falls off... leaving behind that wrinkly thing at the bottom of the pit.

... all that talk about navels reminded me to clean out my "belly button" lint.
 
From Strider lookalikes, to belly button fluff...

This place just keeps getting weirder.
 
OCybrManO said:
Navels served their purpose. The "belly button" is where the umbilical cord (gets nutrition from the mother to the baby) connected. The reason the "belly button" remains behind is that it the umbilical cord went all the way through the abdominal wall and the surrounding tissue had to form around it. After you are born the cord is cut and the rest is just tied shut and eventually falls off... leaving behind that wrinkly thing at the bottom of the pit.

... all that talk about navels reminded me to clean out my "belly button" lint.
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Gee-Whiz...and all this time I have been using my "belly button" as a salt holder so I can dip my celery in to be salted!! :LOL::LOL:

Maybe we could do a poll...What do you have an "inny" or an "outty"?....hehehe :LOL:

Helken Polya

:LOL::LOL::LOL:
 
Helken Polya said:
.....Found this at the Russian Half Life2 site:

******** Edited: Don't try get around the censor - warned.

(sorry it won't let me make a direct link...just move the *** over to the dot).....
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Opps!!!! Sorry about that!!! :( :(

Helken Polya

:LOL::LOL::LOL:
 
Brian Damage said:
You sure find life funny :E.
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Life is to short to be taken completely serious...that is unless of course you only have "Half" a "Life"! ;)

Helken Polya

:LOL::LOL::LOL:
 
I immediatly thought they were from war of the worlds
 
They got the story fro hl1 from the DooM games.

They took the bug designs right out of starship troopers.

The strider is obviously from War of the Worlds.

The design for Dog is ripped from Amee from Mission to Mars.

The G-Man is an ovious X-Files rip.

There is another thread on this forum explaining where they ripped the combine from.

They even stole the design of the gun ships from the manatee, which is endangered. Does Valve have no shame?
 
Åquarius said:
They got the story fro hl1 from the DooM games.

They took the bug designs right out of starship troopers.

The strider is obviously from War of the Worlds.

The design for Dog is ripped from Amee from Mission to Mars.

The G-Man is an ovious X-Files rip.

There is another thread on this forum explaining where they ripped the combine from.

They even stole the design of the gun ships from the manatee, which is endangered. Does Valve have no shame?
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They got their story of HL1 from Doom.. ... Doom had a storyline? ;)

They took the bug designs out of starship troopers.. which bugs, exactly? The AntLions? Heaven forbid they put in an alien representing a giant bug.. it's as if Starship Troopers came up with the original bug!

The design for Dog is ripped from Amee from Mission to Mars, don't you mean Red Planet?

The G-Man is an obvious X-Files rip, eh? And you know what role the G-Man has, exactly? Cool.

Gun ship was ripped from an endangered animal? OMG! Aliens are ripped from humans..

It's called BORROWING ideas, not stealing them. It would be literally impossible to come up with an "original" idea, these days. Everything could be claimed to be "stolen," companies get inspired to create creatures, whether they're similar to another from another series/movies/whatever else is inevitable.
 
They got their story of HL1 from Doom.. ... Doom had a storyline?
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Yes. It's in the manual. Id's games are too cool to have a story line integrated in them.

They took the bug designs out of starship troopers.. which bugs, exactly? The AntLions? Heaven forbid they put in an alien representing a giant bug.. it's as if Starship Troopers came up with the original bug!
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Yes the antlions. One can easily see the similarities. The entire design is identical. They didn't come up with the original bug, but they came up with an original bug design. Too bad Valve decided to rip them off instead of coming up with something original themselves.

The design for Dog is ripped from Amee from Mission to Mars, don't you mean Red Planet?
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Yes, I meant Red Planet. :monkee:

The G-Man is an obvious X-Files rip, eh? And you know what role the G-Man has, exactly? Cool.
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The rols of the G-man has nothing to do with the fact that Valve got him from watching X-Files reruns late at night while most people are out engoying a social life. Lets see.....

X-Files has......

Mr. X, or the X man.
The Smoking man, or the Cancer man.
The Well-groomed Man, or the Well Manicured Man, whatever his name was.
Plus another 11 or 12 other guys with similar names.

All of these people were mysterious men in dark suits who pulled the strings from the shadows and were in control of the situation. This is exactly what the G-Man is.

Gun ship was ripped from an endangered animal? OMG! Aliens are ripped from humans..
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Yes, they stole the design from the manatee. It's rather sad when your creativity is so non-existant that you have to base your designs on the fattest, laziest, most endangered thing you can find in the animal world. Do you really want to be playing hl2 and get shot by a huge flying manatee? Wouldn't you rather your enemeies in a game be a bit more intimidating, agressive, and less-endangrered, than a huge fat water mammal that spends it's time lazying about in a river eating river weeds, and being endangered?

It's called BORROWING ideas, not stealing them.
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:LOL: Oh yea, they are "barrowing" the designs. Yes, i see now. :LOL: That makes perfect sense. The designes were just loaned to them, were they? :LOL: Yes that is a logical explination if i have ever seen one.

.......... :LOL:

It would be literally impossible to come up with an "original" idea, these days.
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Thats rediculous. It's hard, sure, but it has always been. There is nothing new there. It wasn't any easier for artists 100 years ago to create an original idea. Original ideas are created every day in this day and age. 100 years ago you had idiots ripping off ideas, and you have creative epoeple creating something original, same as today.

We are capable of sending men to the moon so they can jump around and giggle and act retarded, are are capable of sending remote controlled toys to Mars so we can marvel at the martian.......dirt(well, the British are still working on that one.), mankind is capable of all of these amazing feats, I'm sure we can find it in our power to create an oringinal design for a bug monster, if we tried.
 
Åquarius said:
Yes. It's in the manual. Id's games are too cool to have a story line integrated in them.
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My statement was a joke, however, you look ignorant for saying they're "too cool to have a storyline integrated in them."



Åquarius said:
Yes the antlions. One can easily see the similarities. The entire design is identical. They didn't come up with the original bug, but they came up with an original bug design. Too bad Valve decided to rip them off instead of coming up with something original themselves.
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They're supposed to be just that, giant bugs. I'll make you a bet that SST based their bugs off actual, living, earth-dwelling bugs.



Åquarius said:
Yes, I meant Red Planet. :monkee:
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Yes, I agree that DOG was ripped off of Amee.



Åquarius said:
The rols of the G-man has nothing to do with the fact that Valve got him from watching X-Files reruns late at night while most people are out engoying a social life. Lets see.....

X-Files has......

Mr. X, or the X man.
The Smoking man, or the Cancer man.
The Well-groomed Man, or the Well Manicured Man, whatever his name was.
Plus another 11 or 12 other guys with similar names.

All of these people were mysterious men in dark suits who pulled the strings from the shadows and were in control of the situation. This is exactly what the G-Man is.
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er.. be that as it may, many MANY other forms of media have had "mysterious men in dark suits who pulled the strings," (keep in mind, you don't even know if that's the G-Man's role.. he may be pulling Gordon's strings, he may not. He is, as far as we know, his [Gordon's] employer, but that's open to speculation) you'd have to go back down a long line to find the first one who came up with this concept. Besides, you could use this example in almost any other game in existence (not necessarily a guy pulling the strings behind the scenes, but you get the idea).



Åquarius said:
Yes, they stole the design from the manatee. It's rather sad when your creativity is so non-existant that you have to base your designs on the fattest, laziest, most endangered thing you can find in the animal world. Do you really want to be playing hl2 and get shot by a huge flying manatee? Wouldn't you rather your enemeies in a game be a bit more intimidating, agressive, and less-endangrered, than a huge fat water mammal that spends it's time lazying about in a river eating river weeds, and being endangered?
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They drew inspiration from the manatee, perhaps. The combine ARE supposed to have living ships, why not base it on a familiar form? Your logic here astounds me, let's say that Doom's upside-down spider heads look like, get this, SPIDERS WITH HUMAN HEADS! iD ripped off spiders AND humans in ONE monster.. it's sad when iD's creativity is so non-existant that.....



Åquarius said:
:LOL: Oh yea, they are "barrowing" the designs. Yes, i see now. :LOL: That makes perfect sense. The designes were just loaned to them, were they? :LOL: Yes that is a logical explination if i have ever seen one.

.......... :LOL:
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iD ripped off the zombie. Did they have the designs loaned to them? Nope, didn't think so. Again, what you're saying here is when a company gets inspired to do something similar to another, that it's a sin. Just wow, your logic is overwhelming me :)



Åquarius said:
Thats rediculous. It's hard, sure, but it has always been. There is nothing new there. It wasn't any easier for artists 100 years ago to create an original idea. Original ideas are created every day in this day and age. 100 years ago you had idiots ripping off ideas, and you have creative epoeple creating something original, same as today.

We are capable of sending men to the moon so they can jump around and giggle and act retarded, are are capable of sending remote controlled toys to Mars so we can marvel at the martian.......dirt(well, the British are still working on that one.), mankind is capable of all of these amazing feats, I'm sure we can find it in our power to create an oringinal design for a bug monster, if we tried.
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Can you point me to one game that has something completely original, that can't be linked to something similar, whether it be a human, animal, insect, etc? I'm talking GAME originality here, that's an impossible thing to come by. I'd love to see any examples. Everything in a game I've ever seen has been inspired by something else, whether it be the covenant from Halo, the Zombies in Doom or the headcrabs in HL.
 
Shuzer, there is a huge difference between being inspired by someone else and totally ripping off someone elses designs. Inspiration comes to every artist, but not every artist is a thief.
 
Pseudonym_ said:
Shuzer, there is a huge difference between being inspired by someone else and totally ripping off someone elses designs. Inspiration comes to every artist, but not every artist is a thief.
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Yes. And I acknowledged DOG being a ripoff, past that, I don't really think he's got a point.
And yes, the AntLion does show similarity, but, it's just a bug. I've seen SST, and, I can't say it appears to be a direct ripoff, I'd definitely lean towards inspired by.
Finally, the Gunship was INSPIRED by a manatee (or would seem to be), but it's not a ripoff.
 
Åquarius said:
Yes. It's in the manual. Id's games are too cool to have a story line integrated in them.
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What an odd statement.


Åquarius said:
Yes the antlions. One can easily see the similarities. The entire design is identical. They didn't come up with the original bug, but they came up with an original bug design. Too bad Valve decided to rip them off instead of coming up with something original themselves.
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Bull shit. The antlions may bear a passing resemblance in the leg area, but the body is totally different. The SST Bugs (More accurately called "Arachnids".) look like ambulatory staple removers, the HL2 Antlions more closely resemble a cockroach, ant or lacewing...


Åquarius said:
The rols of the G-man has nothing to do with the fact that Valve got him from watching X-Files reruns late at night while most people are out engoying a social life. Lets see.....

X-Files has......

Mr. X, or the X man.
The Smoking man, or the Cancer man.
The Well-groomed Man, or the Well Manicured Man, whatever his name was.
Plus another 11 or 12 other guys with similar names.

All of these people were mysterious men in dark suits who pulled the strings from the shadows and were in control of the situation. This is exactly what the G-Man is.
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Mysterious men in dark suits run the world. Haven't you heard? They're as common as dirt...


Åquarius said:
Yes, they stole the design from the manatee. It's rather sad when your creativity is so non-existant that you have to base your designs on the fattest, laziest, most endangered thing you can find in the animal world. Do you really want to be playing hl2 and get shot by a huge flying manatee? Wouldn't you rather your enemeies in a game be a bit more intimidating, agressive, and less-endangrered, than a huge fat water mammal that spends it's time lazying about in a river eating river weeds, and being endangered?
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I recall that the design has been likened to a manatee. I personally see little resemblance, but using natures designs for inspiration is one of the oldest tricks for creating good creatures or plants. Makes them look more realistic. I think that the Gunship looks more like some kind of caterpillar (The front part at least).

Åquarius said:
:LOL: Oh yea, they are "barrowing" the designs. Yes, i see now. :LOL: That makes perfect sense. The designes were just loaned to them, were they? :LOL: Yes that is a logical explination if i have ever seen one.

.......... :LOL:



Thats rediculous. It's hard, sure, but it has always been. There is nothing new there. It wasn't any easier for artists 100 years ago to create an original idea. Original ideas are created every day in this day and age. 100 years ago you had idiots ripping off ideas, and you have creative epoeple creating something original, same as today.

We are capable of sending men to the moon so they can jump around and giggle and act retarded, are are capable of sending remote controlled toys to Mars so we can marvel at the martian.......dirt(well, the British are still working on that one.), mankind is capable of all of these amazing feats, I'm sure we can find it in our power to create an oringinal design for a bug monster, if we tried.
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Well, geez, it'd still be based on a bug...
 
Åquarius said:
They got the story fro hl1 from the DooM games.

They took the bug designs right out of starship troopers.

The strider is obviously from War of the Worlds.

The design for Dog is ripped from Amee from Mission to Mars.

The G-Man is an ovious X-Files rip.

There is another thread on this forum explaining where they ripped the combine from.

They even stole the design of the gun ships from the manatee, which is endangered. Does Valve have no shame?
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in the DooM games, you got to hell and kill everything that moves. In Half Life there's alot more thought put into the story then it seems at the moment. Besides i thought the story in Half Life was ALOT better then DooM's (lack of) story

yeah The Ant-Lions looks a far bit like the ones outta star-ship troopers but thats mainly because of the skins Valve gave them, if you see on of them without texture they both look different (at least to me).

as for the Strider thing, i'd say their similar but not identical, but i wouldn't say they ripped that off of War of the Worlds. The strider was originally a SEA MONSTER until they mucked around with it and put it into a city enviroment

Amee from Red Planet was more of a Dog then DOG. Dog looks like a gorilla version of Amee. I'll agree with you on that though now that i think about it. Still, its cool.

The G-man thing. Have you ever been to ANY conspiracy website on the net? as Brian Damage said, they're as common as dirt (a good line)

and as for the combine thing. They're pretty much what i'd imagine any futuristic soldier to be. Average, but with with fancy gas-mask type things.

As for the Manatee... So it looks like a manatee? Doesn't mean they "stole" the idea from nature, just means they got an idea from it
 
war of the worlds, valve made a clever choice really since those things scared the living bejesus outta me
 
Gunship - http://hl2.action-arena.com/Images/enemies/hover.jpg
Manatee - http://cars.er.usgs.gov/posters/Manatee/Manatee_Cytogenetics/cy_manatee1a.jpg

The entire shape and movement is a ripoff, right down to where the propellar is. Think about this for a second. The propellar on the gunship wouldn't even work where they are now. The Gunship would be too front heavy. You couldn't stick the propellar of a helocopter on the very back of it and expect it to fly. A propellar system of that type has to be a reasonable distance from the center of the vehicle. But on the gunship it's not. Why is this? Why did they put it there? To make it look even more like a manatee because thats where the back flipper thingy is on a manatee. To put it anywhere else would mess with the manatee design.

It's obvious they are ripping the manatee on this one. You have to admit it.
 
Oh my god dude. Its a manatee. Its not copyrighted. its not RIPPING OFF. Maybe it IS a manatee? Maybe thats why it works for the combine? you know? half machine? half manatee? It isnt ripping off.

You could have the same hair-cut as someone else and i wouldn't say you'd be RIPPING it off? Its just inspiration. Not ripping it off

Edit: I say "ripping it off" alot, dont i?
 
It's not a rip-off... it doesn't even really closely resemble a manatee in my eyes. The proportions are all wrong, especially when you compare the rotor to the manatee's tail...

EDIT: And I don't think that it's front heavy... we know that the combine have at least some anti-gravitational technology (Look at the scanners.). Those fins may be some sort of generator. Or the generator might be under the front.
 
ALL of the proportions are the same. the propellar is more round than the fin, but that is due to the nature of the propellar.

The head is the same in relation to the body size, the body is the same shape, the fin is roughly equal in size and shape and is dead on as far as location, and two fins are the same in proportion to the body, and are in the same place. there is no reason to deny, it's obvious that Valve ripped off the manatee.
 
Åquarius said:
ALL of the proportions are the same. the propellar is more round than the fin, but that is due to the nature of the propellar.

The head is the same in relation to the body size, the body is the same shape, the fin is roughly equal in size and shape and is dead on as far as location, and two fins are the same in proportion to the body, and are in the same place. there is no reason to deny, it's obvious that Valve ripped off the manatee.
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Yep. VALVe also ripped off human beings for the combine.. :(
 
There is a difference. If your going to have a sequel to half life, you have to have humans. thats a given. you dont have to have manatees, however. but they ripped off the manatees anyway because they couldnt think of a better way to make the gunship feel alive than to mimick the form of a living creature in every way, which is lazy and not creative.

Plus, the manatee is endangered, humans aren't.
 
Åquarius said:
There is a difference. If your going to have a sequel to half life, you have to have humans. thats a given. you dont have to have manatees, however. but they ripped off the manatees anyway because they couldnt think of a better way to make the gunship feel alive than to mimick the form of a living creature in every way, which is lazy and not creative.

Plus, the manatee is endangered, humans aren't.
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What, exactly, does endagerment have to do with lack of creativity?

I've said it once, and I'll say it again: it looks like they drew inspiration from the manatee, but, it doesn't appear to be a direct ripoff.

And, as someone already said, as far you know, it could be part manatee.
 
The story is based on Stephen King's The Mist. A lot of the creatures of HL are based on types of taxonomy of living creatures. They are trying to create a nearly believable type of alien- maybe the idea is that for animals to exist on a different planet then it would have to have environments similar to Earth and that evolution in the universe is convergent and would have similar outcomes (insects being one of the most successful form of life on Earth). The combine designs of the mechanical creatures probably serve purposes- nobody would be talking about the striders-WoTW if Valve showed pictures of them where they were made to be- in the ocean. G-man wears a suit and we don't know what he does.. sounds more like they ripped off my former boss. You should also read 'One Flew Over the Cuckoos Nest' because it is a good book and because you would also know what you're talking about... and ... uh...
I've never heard anyone criticize about ripping off nature..... when the Lippo Centre was seen most people thought it was neat....
Dog does look sort of like a gorilla... wait you were talking about Red Planet... since they share the 'one lens eye' look and are robots there probably will be resemblance.
What I wonder is whether you made these up or if you just read what other people told you....
And conveniently you managed to leave out all the original material (the other 90%). Good for you, you should be a reporter when you *grow up*.
 
90%? thats very generous. there isn't a whole lot about either hl1 or hl2 that is original.

And the hl1 story was ripped from the doom games.

doom = demons invade through a portal and you are the only survivor in the base, and you must fight them off.

that is pretty much the story of hl, they just replaced demons with aliens, hwich isn't a huge leap of creativity IMO. Sure there is more depth to it, but that doesnt mean they didnt rip it. They just took a rip of the story and added a few more elements, such as a X-files ripped mysterious man and so on. Basically, half life is just a huge collage of rip pffs from various things, old sci-fi, othe rgames, X-files, Manatees....
 
Åquarius said:
90%? thats very generous. there isn't a whole lot about either hl1 or hl2 that is original.

And the hl1 story was ripped from the doom games.

doom = demons invade through a portal and you are the only survivor in the base, and you must fight them off.

that is pretty much the story of hl, they just replaced demons with aliens, hwich isn't a huge leap of creativity IMO. Sure there is more depth to it, but that doesnt mean they didnt rip it. They just took a rip of the story and added a few more elements, such as a X-files ripped mysterious man and so on. Basically, half life is just a huge collage of rip pffs from various things, old sci-fi, othe rgames, X-files, Manatees....
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I'm sorry, but, I can no longer take you serious, at all. Why are you at an HL2 fan site if you hate HL2 like you do? Rather, if you look down on it like you do.
 
Where did I say i hate hl2? Or that I look down on it? The fact that they rip off endangered animals and other sources does not mean I don't think it will still be fun.
 
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