Who do you think should win the lawsuit?

Who should win the lawsuit

  • Vivendi

    Votes: 10 7.3%
  • Valve

    Votes: 99 72.3%
  • Neither

    Votes: 28 20.4%

  • Total voters
    137
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I think both companies are absolute amateurs. Neither of these public corporations deserve my money, and it is only with the greatest reluctance that I will be forking over money for this (probably superb, yet greately diminished) game. Could I turn to downloading it illegally? Probably, but I don't think anything they could do short of giving away my credit card information deserves that.

Valve's history after HL's release has been a string of failures. They were slipping in their development cycle long before Half Life 2 even announced, according to numerous sources. They set a horrible release date, did a horrible job informing the rest of the world on the state of their product, and then deliberately mislead the gaming community. Their habits of not coming clear on the state of their products is eerily similiar to Enron misleading stock holders on their financial reports. If Valve went public, I would have wanted Gabe in jail.

VU has had a record of mangled relations with companies. They completely ruined potential sales for Interplay's two slated products for the fourth quarter of last year. They have consistently and brazenly refused to do the right thing for the buyer -- they refused to back down when Valve called them on illegally producing Valve games for cybercafes, and instead slapped Valve with a suit that has nothing to do with the original claim -- instead, they try to hide the facts of a contract agreement with verbal spats that involve 'half-truths'. Hello!? Valve sucks when it comes to PR, but an agreement is an agreement. It's on paper.

Not only has VU ruined the profits for Interplay's games, they potentially ruined Condition Zero's potential profits when they delayed the game for no reason -- a move that prompted Valve to sue for royalties. They now might push for doing the exact same damn thing with Hl2: indefinitely delaying it for as long as six months.

These acts further punctuate the point that VU is not acting on the best benefits of the buyer, and furthermore, aren't even acting on the best interests of their financial department.

Those who express the opinion that VU could not possibly have the balls to delay Hl2 have another thing coming. They did it with Condition Zero, and they are so far refusing to give a date for Hl2.

Valve has greately helped increase VU's anti-Valve sentiments with numerous broken release dates, numerous rude press releases about VU and the date of the game, and the greatest slap in the face of them all, developing software to distribute the game without a publisher when they still had a contract with one. Not only have they done all this, but they had magazines come play the game before it went gold, and now expect Vivendi to deliver the game as soon as possible when they have no obligation to do so.

Both of these companies are culprits for the bullshit that has fallen upon us. There's only one conclusion to this sordid tale: because of these companies and their idiotic disputes, it's hurting us big time. Let's just pray to god VU and Valve throw aside their little bickerings and get down to business and just release this game as soon as ****ing possible.

I voted option three: neither.
 
I think WE THE FANS should win, who cares about these people...just release the game and make your money already...yeesh. Maybe they are like truckers on the highway who take up both lanes and go slow. They probably talk on their CB radio and laugh their asses off "Yo dave...check out all these cars behind us...har har har. They hate us but can't do anything cause we'd destory their little vehicles"
 
When did Valve Deliberately misled the gaming community?

Valve's history after HL's release has been a string of failures. They were slipping in their development cycle long before Half Life 2 even announced, according to numerous sources. They set a horrible release date, did a horrible job informing the rest of the world on the state of their product, and then deliberately mislead the gaming community. Their habits of not coming clear on the state of their products is eerily similiar to Enron misleading stock holders on their financial reports. If Valve went public, I would have wanted Gabe in jail.

That has nothing to do with the lawsuit. It's more to do with you being pissed off that the game was delayed.

According to you, every developer should be in gaol. Well done.
 
I know what Valve's lawyer will say in court to the Judge and Vivendi

"Valve owes you nothing bitch"

OH YEAH!!!
 
This is pointless, I don't care who wins as long as they release HL2 and Valve gets enough money to keep making great games.
 
Mr-Fusion said:
I know what Valve's lawyer will say in court to the Judge and Vivendi

"Valve owes you nothing bitch"

OH YEAH!!!

Could you be quiet about that? You bought a game. You may as well claim that Kellogg's owe you loads and should tell you everything because you eat Corn Flakes.
 
Oh come on cheer up! It was a joke!!

If it came off as cynical it wasn't meant to.
 
The court should say "Release HL2 dammit, I want to go home and play it, not sit around this stupid place. Case closed." *Slams hammer thing* :)
 
Adding another footnote to the ****-ups both companies have made, it seems Valve threatened to do this to Vivendi back in 2002. Boy, these companies are just angelic, aren't they?
 
Man, this really dulled my exitment for the game. It pretty much devolved into a typical business squabble, which might drag on forever. HL2 is pretty save but who knows what this trial will do to HL3 (I know, who cares about HL3 when you can't get HL2).
 
ether VU will corprate muscle there way to Winning (like microsoft)

or VALVe could get lucky and the judge plays CS
 
or VALVe could get lucky and the judge plays CS

LOL. I'm sorry, but I've been here for over a year, and that was the first line that made me laugh out loud. :)
 
I think this whole lawsuit is stupid. But, if one side had to win, I'd say Valve. What has VUG done for us? Nada. What has Valve done for us? Half-Life. Half-Life 2. Anything company that made a game beginning with "Half-Life" and ending in "2" in the title should win a lawsuit, unless in between the words "Half-Life" and "2" is the number "5," of course. I think Half-Life 52 would seriously be milking it, and then I'd say Valve needs to move on.
But Half-Life will end at 3, so I wouldn't ever say that. I'd rather this whole lawsuit never happen.


Now to find Alladin and mug him of his genie......
 
Valve just want Vivendi to honour their contract, Vivendi want that contract changed.

I'm with Valve on this one, I'd prefer more power to be on the side of developers. Always.
 
Eternity said:
Adding another footnote to the ****-ups both companies have made, it seems Valve threatened to do this to Vivendi back in 2002. Boy, these companies are just angelic, aren't they?


Er thats what this post is about a 2002 lawsuit,and now a 2004 counterclaim that isn't based on anything but legal lies in order to tie up steams release.
 
I just wish they would compromise. Maybe if VU sells HL2 at retail for a month before the game is made available on steam.
 
You should of added the option: I dont care who wins as long as the game isnt delayed!
 
UndercoverBob said:
id laf if a protest rally showed up at the court

that would be absolutely ridiculous and insane, but really funny :p just imagine that actually happening... *shudders*
 
If VUG wins, wouldn't the HL franchise go to Vivendi? I couldn't imagine Valve taking the franchise any further with an already upsetting publisher. I don't think I could play Half-Life if it was being developed by anybody else.

It would be like playing a Mario game developed by Mircrosoft.
 
every gamer who has the best interest of the HL series in mind wants Valve to win this court battle or whatever u wanna call it because quite frankly if by chance VU does win the rights to the HL IP, VU would more than likely run the HL series into the ground since they don't know the first thing about creating a good game.

i hope Valve takes em to the cleaners and after HL2's release, parts ways and finds a better publisher.
 
I don't give a ****ing shit, I want HL2 and I want it without any blood being spilled from either side.
 
If for some odd reason Vivendi wins the rights to the Half-Life franchise, I think they should re-build Half-Life 2 and change all the enemies to chain smoking hamsters. That way, you know, things would be safe for them financially and stuff.
 
obviously valve still owns the IP, but i dont care about the rest.
its kind of familiar to how Rare developed DKC series but DK was nintendos character, so they can use DK as much as they like still, just not diddy kong, trixie kong, kiddy kong, cranky kong, funky kong, candy kong..... well you get my drift.
 
I really have no love for Vivendi. They're terrible. I'm suprised Newell showed interest in dealing with them after the case is over. If I were them I'd have gone with another company. Jeez Vivendi.
 
Who should win the lawsuit? Whoever is legally in the right should win.

But seeing as how I have no idea about all the details involved and the entire reason they are in court is to determine which person is in the right, I have no basis on which to form an intelligent opinion on the matter.
 
Neutrino said:
Who should win the lawsuit? Whoever is legally in the right should win.

But seeing as how I have no idea about all the details involved and the entire reason they are in court is to determine which person is in the right, I have no basis on which to form an intelligent opinion on the matter.



i'm with you....and from what i have seen, Valve should win 65%(number i pulled outta my tush) of it, and VU the rest.
 
Eternity said:
Valve's history after HL's release has been a string of failures. They were slipping in their development cycle long before Half Life 2 even announced, according to numerous sources. They set a horrible release date, did a horrible job informing the rest of the world on the state of their product, and then deliberately mislead the gaming community. Their habits of not coming clear on the state of their products is eerily similiar to Enron misleading stock holders on their financial reports. If Valve went public, I would have wanted Gabe in jail.

VALVe are pioneers in uncharted territory. How could they know how long it would take? So they were optimistic. This is unfortunate but forgivable.

However long it took them to make HL2 is exactly how long it takes to make HL2. Period. How can you argue with that? And how could they know how long that was before they started? Or even half way through? Untill it was done (assuming it is), all they could do was guess.

And for this, you fault them?
You cannot rush art.

It sounds like you are one of those fans that believes you are entitled to HL2.
 
VUG shouldn't get a red cent. HL2 isn't the only game they've been pulling stuff like this with, but it's definitely the biggest. From the latest Gamespot article, it sounds like Vivendi are just a bunch of jerks. They won't even comment, while Valve will at least say something.
 
JhohCreexul said:
VUG shouldn't get a red cent. HL2 isn't the only game they've been pulling stuff like this with, but it's definitely the biggest. From the latest Gamespot article, it sounds like Vivendi are just a bunch of jerks. They won't even comment, while Valve will at least say something.

maybe that tells you who their sources are
 
umm, when money's involved (sequel to the best pc game of all time) big money, people will try to screw each other out of every red cent. so i'm sure that both valve and VUG are in the WRONG, they both tried to screw each other to get the bigger share of the pie, it's the nature of the game. My father is a lawyer, and you'd be suprized how tuned the system is to accomdate for any and all possible delays and further toilet-papering of the red tape.

thank you capitalism
 
Man what a stupid thread. Valve is completely self funded - the HL IP is theirs and neither Sierra nor VU has any legal or moral right to it. That any self-respecting gamer could think otherwise just beggars belief.

Oh and it is COMPLETELY off base to try to draw a parallel between Valve (a private non-floated company) with huge publicly listed corporates like Enron, where top execs are implicated in shredding documents, falsify records, lying and walk away with golden handshakes with economic chaos in their wake. Valve missed an estimated release in totally adverse conditions (the hack); there is just no comparison. I can understand some degree of jaded frustration but this is just asinine showing a complete lack of understanding of the comparitive gravity of the issues involved.

BTW - WTF does Interplay have to do with anything?
 
I'm a lawyer, and no, it's just Vivendi who's screwing up here.
 
Vivendi's lawyers too good for valve :(
Remember that vivendi is one of the strongest company in the world ....
 
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