Why I hate Gearbox.

[ríomhaire]

Stupid baby shocktrooper gun-Best alien weapon of all the games so far. Alien insectoid parasite with electical attack - you dont like sci-fi?

I mean the spore launcher, it is actualy a baby shocktrooper...

*Adrian sees a baby alien*
"I think I'll shove my had up his ass, stuff these green things into his mouth pull what I can only hope what is his arm and see what happens"

 

[$kelet0r]

I mean the spore launcher, it is actualy a baby shocktrooper

how on earth do you know that

 

[ríomhaire]

how on earth do you know that

The name of the model is babyshocktrooper.
Also they both eat spores and once they both spit them out they have become explosive

 

[$kelet0r]

intriguing
just shows how smart shephard is using their own children against them lol

 

[Polaris]

I think its only name of model, not real shock trooper baby...

 

[Dr. Freeman]

I think its only name of model, not real shock trooper baby...

yeah.. its correct name is shockrifle.

 

[ríomhaire]

yeah.. its correct name is shockrifle.

I'm talking about the spore gun!

 

[Dr. Freeman]

I'm talking about the spore gun!

the spore launcher? that gun owned!!
so much fun to kill in death match with it
don't know why u don't like it but im sure u are one of a very few.

 

[$kelet0r]

opfor dm is class
so many weapons so much fun

 

[Gunner]

"thieves you are all thieves"

They freed the Xenians

I liked to fight Black Opps but they don't have any clear motive for attacking marines.

Black ops were sent in to make sure there was no survivor.

 

[Laivasse]

Black ops were sent in to make sure there was no survivor.

The marines had already been sent in to do that. Gearbox created a stupid neverending cycle. Who will kill the Black Ops?

 

[Ames]

The marines had already been sent in to do that. Gearbox created a stupid neverending cycle. Who will kill the Black Ops?

There were Black Ops in the original HL.....?

 

[UndeadScottsman]

The marines had already been sent in to do that. Gearbox created a stupid neverending cycle. Who will kill the Black Ops?

Uh no, the Military's orders were to obtain some samples and witnesses for questioning, and "silence" everything else. The Black Ops orders, after the call to pull out was made, were to deliver the "package", destroy the facility and kill anything that may try to stop them. Obviously, the members of the military who got left behind would be a tad adverse about the nuke going off while they're still stuck at the facility, ergo, their lives are forfiet.

 

[Laivasse]

There were Black Ops in the original HL.....?

And...?

Uh no, the Military's orders were to obtain some samples and witnesses for questioning, and "silence" everything else. The Black Ops orders, after the call to pull out was made, were to deliver the "package", destroy the facility and kill anything that may try to stop them. Obviously, the members of the military who got left behind would be a tad adverse about the nuke going off while they're still stuck at the facility, ergo, their lives are forfiet.

Nice bit of fanfic, but both forces' objectives were essentially the same. And having top secret science ops being wiped out by top secret military ops being wiped out by even more top secret miltary ops is taking things to the realms of the retarded.

 

[UndeadScottsman]

And...?



Nice bit of fanfic, but both forces' objectives were essentially the same. And having top secret science ops being wiped out by top secret military ops being wiped out by even more top secret miltary ops is taking things to the realms of the retarded.

What fanfic? The military's orders were obvious (Silence the facility (As seen by the fact that they're, hey, silencing the facility! Imagine that.) and, as seen in Blue Shift, they're also shipping alien samples and witnesses out of Black Mesa through the trainyards.

The Black Ops were there to plant the nuclear device, as seen by the fact that they are planting a bloody nuclear device. Obviously the government would have no reason to do this while they were still attempting to take control of the facility (Which means there orders would have been to only do the nuclear device if that contingincy has been met) and they wouldn't have had the Black Ops show their hands until it was necassary.

Like I said; what fanfic?

 

[Laivasse]

Additionally, as seen in Blue Shift, they're also shipping alien samples and witnesses out of Black Mesa through the trainyards.

Like I had said previously, I never played Blue Shift. I assumed you had made up the samples and witnesses thing. In this case it's even more dodgy plot-warping on Gearbox's part, and more reason to dislike them.

The Black Ops were there to plant the nuclear device, as seen by the fact that they are planting a bloody nuclear device.

A nuke could have been planted by the marines if necessary. It doesn't constitute enough plot to explain the Black Ops and their hostility towards the marines. Let's face it, the Black Ops were just chucked in to have another "Oh no, we're being silenced!"-facet of the plot, but without enough consideration paid to the fact that that plot element had already been used up.

Like I said; what fanfic?

The fact that you're putting more thought into rationalising Gearbox's plot than Gearbox did.

 

[UndeadScottsman]

Like I had said previously, I never played Blue Shift. I assumed you had made up the samples and witnesses thing. In this case it's even more dodgy plot-warping on Gearbox's part, and more reason to dislike them.

Except that it makes more sense than the military arbitrarily killing everything. This is the US goverment in a conspiritoral setting we're talking about. "If there's a dime to be made..." so to speak. Shipping samples and witnesses out of Black Mesa can provide vital intel on what the hell is going on.

A nuke could have been planted by the marines if necessary.

Not really; you don't give a nuke to just anyone, least of all the cannon fodder. You give it to the best of the best, the ones you have the most faith that will complete the objective. You also want someone who you know won't break in the face of detonating a nuclear device (which is not an easy task, mentally or emotionally; especially when your comrades are still running around the base), which is why you use the super-elite.

It doesn't constitute enough plot to explain the Black Ops and their hostility towards the marines. Let's face it, the Black Ops were just chucked in to have another "Oh no, we're being silenced!"-facet of the plot, but without enough consideration paid to the fact that that plot element had already been used up.

It only doesn't work because you have a silly grudge against Gearbox and for some reason can't be bothered to look at it objectively.

The fact that you're putting more thought into rationalising Gearbox's plot than Gearbox did.

Firstly, everything I just said is either readily friggen apparent or at the very most an easy assumption. Secondly, you talk like Gearbox had zero involvement with Valve when they made their addons. Remember, Valve went back to Gearbox not once but TWICE for further work on the Half-Life IP, which means they must have been satified with their work on Op4. (Or Valve is really, really stupid. Take your pick. I'll opt for the first one.) Additionally, it's not like Valve wouldn't hestiate to correct or stop Gearbox had GB done anything that totally contradicted the Half-Life mythos.

Your irrational hatred of Gearbox is insulting, not only to Gearbox, but to Valve as well. I'd just love to know how many of the things you hate about Gearbox originally came from Valve.

 

[Laivasse]

you don't give a nuke to just anyone, least of all the cannon fodder.

You don't give them a nuke, but you trust them to defend against an extra-terrestrial invasion and perform incredibly sensitive deniable stuff like murdering unarmed civilians? The marines in HL1 were clearly meant to be some kind of elite force. Gearbox did the juvenile thing and created a super-duper elite force that wants to kill them. Excuse me for not loving their innovation.

It only doesn't work because you have a silly grudge against Gearbox and for some reason can't be bothered are not even bothing to look at it objectively.

Exchange "not bothing to look at it objectively" for "not bothering to speculate mistily in order to excuse their crappy additions" and you've got it.

Your irrational hatred of Gearbox is insulting, not only to Gearbox, but to Valve as well. I'd just love to know how many of the things you hate about Gearbox originally came from Valve.

Yeah whatever. Marc Laidlaw can't even decide any more how much of a part he wants Gearbox's stuff to play in the story. Canon/not canon/affect the story/don't affect the story...fact remains the plot would be neater, nicer and more polished if Gearbox had thought things through more/not made any expansions. Race X, Shepard, Black Ops and Gearbox can all go and have a picnic together out of my sight.

 

[UndeadScottsman]

You don't give them a nuke, but you trust them to defend against an extra-terrestrial invasion and perform incredibly sensitive deniable stuff like murdering unarmed civilians? The marines in HL1 were clearly meant to be some kind of elite force. Gearbox did the juvenile thing and created a super-duper elite force that wants to kill them. Excuse me for not loving their innovation.

Now who's making the fanfic? There's nothing ANYWHERE that says that the military in Half-Life in anything more than standard marines. (In fact, the only thing that states they have anything beyond standard training is the Opposing Force manual, which mentions they've had more urban combat training than usual). And again, they're cannon fodder; it's not hard to send them into combat in waves and have them shoot things. That's actually a pretty simple assignment for a soldier. Getting a nuclear device to a specific location, arming it and quite possibly watching over the thing until it explodes, taking you with it, goes a bit beyond the normal call of duty. It's also something you can't afford to have fail. That's why you'd use the super-elite. You don't use beat cops to guard the president, after all.

Exchange "not bothing to look at it objectively" for "not bothering to speculate mistily in order to excuse their crappy additions" and you've got it.

No, I got it right the first time. Instead of analyzing things, (Things that are READILY apparenent) you just look at them until it confuses you and then go complain on a forum. You instantly take the "it's crap" way out concerning anything related to Gearbox. I'd be amazed if you treated Half-Life 2 in the same manor, even though it has many of the same flaws you're slagging Gearbox's stuff about.

Yeah whatever. Marc Laidlaw can't even decide any more how much of a part he wants Gearbox's stuff to play in the story. Canon/not canon/affect the story/don't affect the story...

It's not that hard of a quote to figure out; Gearbox's stuff is canon, it just is irrelevent to the current and probably future things. That's what I took out of the quote, anyway. We're not going to see anything about the Black Ops, or Shephard, or Race-X at this time, it just doesn't mean they don't exist. Laidlaw even mentioned Race-X as if they're a canon part of the game.

fact remains the plot would be neater, nicer and more polished if Valve had thought things through more/not made any sequels.

Can't argue with that, I guess. Doesn't mean I hate Valve though. On the contrary, Half-Life 2 was badass. As was Opposing Force.

 

[Laivasse]

There's nothing ANYWHERE that says that the military in Half-Life in anything more than standard marines.

Killing aliens and unarmed American nationals on American soil is something the USMC does often is it? The fanfic is yours.

No, I got it right the first time. Instead of analyzing things, (Things that are READILY apparenent) you just look at them until it confuses you and then go complain on a forum. You instantly take the "it's crap" way out concerning anything related to Gearbox. I'd be amazed if you treated Half-Life 2 in the same manor, even though it has many of the same flaws you're slagging Gearbox's stuff about.

No, you got it wrong, I think I know my own mind best, thanks. Keep patting yourself on the back for looking at stuff past the point where it is so confusing to the rest of us morons. Or is it? I never said I was confused. Things are sooo "READILY apparent" that you need to capitalise "readily" eh? You've gone as far as talking about the emotional journey of someone arming a nuclear bomb in your justification.

fact remains the plot would be neater, nicer and more polished if Valve had thought things through more/not made any sequels.

Can't argue with that, I guess. Doesn't mean I hate Valve though. On the contrary, Half-Life 2 was badass. As was Opposing Force.

1) That's not what I said.
2) Don't pretend that I said Op4 was a bad game. HL2 = great game with great plot. Op4 = great expansion with shoddy plot.

 

[Mechagodzilla]

I don't see what's so hard to get.

A specialist group of force recon marines with indoor/urban hazardous environment training are sent in, as they are the best for the job.

They fail at their mission and pull out.

A second more experienced but less specialized combat group then comes in, with the more general task of destroying all that remains.

There, simple.

 

[Laivasse]

I don't see what's so hard to get.

A specialist group of force recon marines with indoor/urban hazardous environment training are sent in, as they are the best for the job.

They fail at their mission and pull out.

A second more experienced but less specialized combat group then comes in, with the more general task of destroying all that remains.

There, simple.

And they kill the first group why?

 

[Ames]

And they kill the first group why?

Story could leak out, put the government in a bad light.

Black ops have less of a chance of leaking out info.

 

[Mechagodzilla]

And they kill the first group why?

They don't kill the first group.
The first group pulled out.
Those that failed to escape were left for dead.

The ops have orders to kill anything that gets in the way of their mission.
So when Adrian trys to stop the bomb, the ops fight back.

 

[Laivasse]

Story could leak out, put the government in a bad light.

Black ops have less of a chance of leaking out info.

Well, that's my whole point. The govt trusted the first force enough to tell them to kill civilians. But now they suddenly don't trust them so they have to kill them. Or if that was their plan all along, then why not use the Black Ops in the first place?

PERHAPS you could say that: the marines were specialised in the type of combat required so they used them first, then they weren't trustworthy enough so the govt used the Black Ops, who weren't the first choice for the task, to kill them (ignoring the fact that Black Ops are way tougher than the grunts, but anyway...). Good, eh? Well, no not really, I find it cliched, lame and don't like it. Which is what I've been saying all along.

Jebus, you guys love Gearbox as much as you love Shepard. Excuse me for the blasphemy.

 

[Laivasse]

They don't kill the first group.
The first group pulled out.
Those that failed to escape were left for dead.

The ops have orders to kill anything that gets in the way of their mission.
So when Adrian trys to stop the bomb, the ops fight back.

They don't just shoot at Adrian, they shoot at any marine. The idea that the Black Ops are somehow fighting to defend themselves from rogues makes more sense to me, but that isn't the way the game portrays it. It seems like they have orders. But whatever, I'm done attacking the precious plot, no matter how half-arsed it is.

 

[UndeadScottsman]

Killing aliens and unarmed American nationals on American soil is something the USMC does often is it? The fanfic is yours.

Actually, the military is authorized to shoot civiliians in the case of quarentine. As for an alien invasion, between NDA's and making people dissapear, it makes sense use the MUCH LARGER standard military rather than wasting the super-elites (who there are far, far less of) on combat. You use the super-elites to get specific, important tasks done, not for cleanup/cannon fodder.

Here's the funny thing about your quote, though. You're doing the same thing you're berating me for: Making assumptions based off opinon and deduction.

No, you got it wrong, I think I know my own mind best, thanks. Keep patting yourself on the back for looking at stuff past the point where it is so confusing to the rest of us morons. Or is it? I never said I was confused.

Jesus, I was being factitious.

Things are sooo "READILY apparent" that you need to capitalise "readily" eh? You've gone as far as talking about the emotional journey of someone arming a nuclear bomb in your justification.

Maybe me and the US government are the only ones who finds planting a nuclear bomb to be a major, major friggen event and not like taking out the trash. I would certainly hope not, though. Like I said; you don't give a nuclear weapon (The MOST POWERFUL weapon the US government has) to anything short of the very best; the ones who can be the most sure will complete their objective. You don't want your enemies getting control of that nuke, after all.

1) That's not what I said.
2) Don't pretend that I said Op4 was a bad game. HL2 = great game with great plot. Op4 = great expansion with shoddy plot.

My point ----> .


Your head --> O

 

[Laivasse]

Here's the funny thing about your quote, though. You're doing the same thing you're berating me for: Making assumptions based off opinon and deduction.

I was aware of that, which is why I was careful to only do it once. It still stung. I'm not really prepared to debate Black Ops on the level I might, say, Combine on Xen.

No, you got it wrong, I think I know my own mind best, thanks. Keep patting yourself on the back for looking at stuff past the point where it is so confusing to the rest of us morons. Or is it? I never said I was confused.

Jesus, I was being factitious.

Facetious? hmm, if you say so. It seemed more to me like:

Your head --> O

 

[UndeadScottsman]

I was aware of that, which is why I was careful to only do it once. It still stung. I'm not really prepared to debate Black Ops on the level I might, say, Combine on Xen.

Okay...?

Facetious? hmm, if you say so. It seemed more to me like:

More along the lines of the feeling you get when you argue with a brick wall.

 

[Marx! II]

This reminds me of that old mummy movie, wherein the workers who buried said mummy were killed by the pharoh's soldiers, and those same soldiers were killed in their turn, so as to leave fewer witnesses to anything of the sort occuring.
Supposing the same was the case here, where the military is sent in fight the aliens in a more army style fashion, something the ops are perhaps not fit for, and then the killing of the marines is part of the plan?
Though it seems odd to kill marines who went there and fought that, precisely because they went there and fought that (with a team of ops who are going there and fighting that) I would like to point out that, theoretically, it would be easier to keep a team of ops from talking than the amount of marines required to head off a Xen invasion. And perhaps the ops we all fought were to be killed as well?
Just a thought.

 

[wse_jack]

I think we should hate them for Brothers in Arms and let us hope they dont transfer that shit to any half life2 expansions lol.

 

[Beerdude26]

Dude, BIA owned.

Well, except for the ridiculous bloom that is.

On-topic : Race X was a bad move, but the game wasn't less enjoyable because of it.

 

[BabyHeadCrab]

<3 op4 to the end.. but then again I <3 hl to the end too

as for BIA.. utter forgettable mediocracy :-|

 

[Jintor]

Cursed Race X...


But summerise your problem with Gearbox, because the last 5 pages was just mindless blathering. Did i think that or touch-type that? hmm...

 

[Laivasse]

"cursed race x" summarises my probs with gearbox fine. I'll add "cursed black ops" and "cursed shepard fanboys" too.

 

[15357]

"cursed race x" summarises my probs with gearbox fine. I'll add "cursed black ops" and "cursed shepard fanboys" too.

/me gets SPAM 9mm handgun and fires

 

[BabyHeadCrab]

how can you be anti or pro a character with seemingly no credentials or background to hate or love :-|

 

[Polaris]

I hate Gearbox because they dont release HL: Decay for PC !
But I love Gearbox for Opposing Force, Blue Shift and high definition pack !

 

[battlefrank]

actually there was a discover channel advertisement about aliens. when i paused it i could see a headcrab leaping. WERE GONNA DIE. ;( ;( ;(

 

[Insano]

how can you be anti or pro a character with seemingly no credentials or background to hate or love :-|

Quoted for emphasis.

Damn guys, you need to chill

Gearbox gave us an excellent expansion, worthy for HL. Why would you hate them?