why is everyone recommending ati's??

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all that has come out of me haveing an ati with my new(ish) dell machine is crap!

with every driver release I get more glitches and worse performance its pathetic..... ut2k3 now has little frames surrounding peoples feet (artifacts) caused by projectors not only that but the drivers have caused countless crashes and performance issues... while my ti4600 NEVER gave me crap drivers were flawless and improved performance with every release..... well I suppose maybe power/graphics ways ati delivers but in terms of driver support there terrible probably better of smearing sh*t all over my monitor and calling it a driver update, now why would you recommend ati's to everyone unless they stop drooling and start actually working on software support for there cards (catch the pissed off ness in my voice??

if I got a new card... wich I dont feel like a need right now (i have radeon 9700 pro and get 50fps avg. in ut2k3) it would probably be a ge force fx 5900ultra for obvious reasons in my opinion

edit: this isint in the hardware forum because its been discussed ALOT by the dev's of hl2 and has alot to do with the fact that its being recommended by gabe himself
 
These are the reasons I can think of: (Oh, and BTW search the forums)
1:Gabe said ATI is better.
2. Direct X 9
3.N/A
 
I know but with no drivers to back that up guess what that means???

absolutely nothing (alb tries to calm himself)

and I did search the forum it didnt help me find what im looking for
 
9800 > 5900

ATi has better image quality and similar performance

bugs are probably your setup. ATi cards perform best if you format your PC before installing.
 
Some computers run the 9700 like crap. This is mostly in the past though, as new mobos and PSUs are good enough to handle it. But the card itself is VERY good. The R300 chip is one of the best chips ever made in hardware industry. Possibly rivalled by the original Geforce (Nv10 maybe, dont know really). It isnt a problem with your card, its a problem with the computer.
 
the chipsets behind the cards

i think a FX5900 is a NV45

and a 9800pro is a R300 or 350

or something
 
Originally posted by Tredoslop
I heard of the R300, NV10 and such, what are they?
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The chip themselves on the cards. 9700 is just reseller names, what it really is is the R300. I'm still not sure whether Geforce 256 was the NV10 though...

Edit: damn mannyfresh027 beat me to it :)

Edit2: 5900 is the NV35

Edit3: 9800 is the R350
 
Originally posted by alb1221

if I got a new card... wich I dont feel like a need right now (i have radeon 9700 pro and get 50fps avg. in ut2k3) it would probably be a ge force fx 5900ultra for obvious reasons in my opinion
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How fast is your processor? The 9700 Pro tends to bottleneck at the processor, because the card itself is so fast, the processor just can't keep up. I have this problem with mine and my AMD 1700+. I'll be getting a Barton-core amd 2500+ or somesuch when I can justify spending the $250 or so for a mobo/cpu upgrade... ^^;

Anyway, ATI has a much higher speed/price ratio than nVidia does right now. You get more bang for the buck. They also have the BEST chipsets out right now, with the most support for near-future technology. They also have buggier drivers, but it's not nearly as bad as it used to be. ATI makes good enough drivers now, they used to simply NOT make good enough drivers. In short, ATI tends to have better cards than nVidia right now. This may change in the near future, but I don't know. Last time I checked, nVidia was behind about half a design cycle, and it'll take a while for them to catch back up.
 
i own a 9800 Pro and have never experienced a single glitch with any of the drivers, i don't know what the hell you're talking about
 
Originally posted by Doobz
i own a 9800 Pro and have never experienced a single glitch with any of the drivers, i don't know what the hell you're talking about
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They can be finnicky. They work perfectly for about 80 or 90% of people, but then they end up glitchy for the rest. That happens with just about anything, though, especially graphics cards, and even nVidia. It's usually a case of hardware conflict or improperly installed drivers.
For instance, I upgraded from a Geforce 2 Ti to a 9700 Pro. The 9700 was REALLY unstable. It turns out that the nVidia drivers do a piss-poor job of uninstalling, and leave a bunch of registry stuff behind, which can "confuse" games and the ATI drivers quite a bit. It sounds like BS, but when I reformatted and installed the ATI drivers totally clean, the 9700 started being solid as a rock. It's worked fine ever since (though I need a better processor to keep a good framerate with everything on. I just put a few things a notch or two down and it works great, though. All the important stuff is all the way up, though (draw distances and such))
 
Originally posted by Rabid Llama
They can be finnicky. They work perfectly for about 80 or 90% of people, but then they end up glitchy for the rest. That happens with just about anything, though, especially graphics cards, and even nVidia. It's usually a case of hardware conflict or improperly installed drivers.
For instance, I upgraded from a Geforce 2 Ti to a 9700 Pro. The 9700 was REALLY unstable. It turns out that the nVidia drivers do a piss-poor job of uninstalling, and leave a bunch of registry stuff behind, which can "confuse" games and the ATI drivers quite a bit. It sounds like BS, but when I reformatted and installed the ATI drivers totally clean, the 9700 started being solid as a rock. It's worked fine ever since (though I need a better processor to keep a good framerate with everything on. I just put a few things a notch or two down and it works great, though. All the important stuff is all the way up, though (draw distances and such))
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#2 biggest reason Nvidiots jumped up and down screaming its crap
(#1 is PSU/Mobo)

:)
 
Originally posted by dawdler
#2 biggest reason Nvidiots jumped up and down screaming its crap
(#1 is PSU/Mobo)

:)
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Yeah. By the way, DetonatorRIP is a program that is supposed to get rid of the improperly uninstalled nVidia driver files, just in case anybody upgrades. I dunno if it works after installing the ATI drivers or not, though.
 
I remembered, when the Unreal Tournament 2003 demo was released, people changed the nVidia intro scene to say things like:
ATI the way it's meant to be played, or Matrox, or nVidiot.
 
alb1221: I never get things like that...its bbl something else in your comp thats causing the problem.

I like ATI cuz you can play with FSAA and AF without a huge performance hit. Its fast and its a good price on the cards.
 
Originally posted by Tredoslop
I remembered, when the Unreal Tournament 2003 demo was released, people changed the nVidia intro scene to say things like:
ATI the way it's meant to be played, or Matrox, or nVidiot.
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yeah, that nvidia the way it's meant to be played stuff is bullshit, it's all marketing, there's no real optimizations
 
okay my sys specs

p4 2.4ghz
512rdram (nobody uses rd ram)
radeon 9700 pro.... dono about mobo came with demension dell sys
 
If you have a dell then perhaps you shouldn't complain about the hardware, it's probably the way it's set up. I wouldn't trust Dell with five cents and a bucket of hair. Make your PC yourself, or get a friend/family member to help. I promise it will run better.
And get the catalyst drivers, i'm pretty sure that's what you'll want for that radeon.
 
well its not like I had much of an option in the matter it was a present

and if you read my entire post you would have read that I am quite familiar with radeon drivers :bonce:
 
I REALLY DIDNT WANT A DELL AND I DONT WANT TO BUY A WHOLE NEW MACHINE IM SAD AND MAD :flame: :flame: :flame: :flame: ;( ;( ;( ;(
 
My Radeon 9600 Game Buster 128MB ram sucks, worse mistake ever! I bought it for my B-day. I am planning to save up for a GeForce FX5600 with my allowance.
 
after reading all this stuff (most threads on this topic are fanboys flame war and all benchmark shows Geforce 5900 better than ati 9800 pro), which card should i buy in order to get the most performance out of hl2, doom3 and any up coming games? PLease help , I'm confused.
 
alb1221: Maybe you got heat problems, you can see wierd artifacts on the screnn when playing then. I think you should return the machine to Dell and ask them for a new one.

You should get a working machine.
 
HELP...HELP
I don't want to buy a card then one day realize that it's the worst mistake ever!
 
unfortunatley... I dont think I would see I change... and I doubt dell would take it back... but maybe its worth a try... I can always use the parts for a new one I build
 
Originally posted by Majestic XII
alb1221: Maybe you got heat problems, you can see wierd artifacts on the screnn when playing then. I think you should return the machine to Dell and ask them for a new one.

You should get a working machine.
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that's not easy to do, especially if he bought it online.
 
My Radeon 9600 Game Buster 128MB ram sucks, worse mistake ever! I bought it for my B-day. I am planning to save up for a GeForce FX5600 with my allowance.
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5600 sucks even worse, so I wouldnt really advise it.

after reading all this stuff (most threads on this topic are fanboys flame war and all benchmark shows Geforce 5900 better than ati 9800 pro), which card should i buy in order to get the most performance out of hl2, doom3 and any up coming games? PLease help , I'm confused.
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HL2: 9800, due to the fact its DX9
DoomIII: 5900, due to the facts its OpenGL.
Any upcoming games: 9800, due the fact 80-90% will be DX9.
And the DoomIII thing might actually not be correct, as Carmack himself said that the newer Radeons performed well on the ARB2 driver path. Overall, 9800 is the top dog, even if 5900 gets 1-5% better score in OLD games. 9800 also is MUCH cheaper.




alb1221, yeah, you should return it to dell. Something is obviously wrong if it happens every time.

Edit: Argh, people are to fast! Damn this forum! :p
 
If you have a dell then perhaps you shouldn't complain about the hardware, it's probably the way it's set up. I wouldn't trust Dell with five cents and a bucket of hair. Make your PC yourself, or get a friend/family member to help. I promise it will run better.
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right on...i cannot understand buying a brand-name, unless you are completely clueless regarding hardware, ect., or some1 gave you 1.

learn a bit thru trial and error...+ plus it is cool to upgrade piece-meal...i like the idea that my machine will always be a work in progress. well, unless my financial position changes.

always ati for dx9...seriously, best card i ever owned...would like that 9800 256 but i wanna porshe as well :/
 
what people?? it seems like the only thing that caused further harm to my sys is the ati drivers.... and i ordered my dell online...
 
Originally posted by Tredoslop
The 5600 sux more arse(arsenal-j/k) than the Radeon 9600?
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Well, its not THAT much worse... Its just that ALL FX cards appear (note appear, we wont know until we see the next generation of games out) HORRIBLE for future gaming. They simply lack the hardware.
If you consider just speed in 6-12 months old games, then no, the 5600 is actually better than the 9600. If you consider advanced gaming technology speeds that come out now, the 9600 rulez 5600. Though 5600 Ultra Rev 2 isnt that bad. And of course, both the 9600 and 5600 are on the lower end of the ladder, both are pretty poor cards compared to a slightly more expensive 9700 or 9800 (non pro's are relativly cheap)...

And albi1221, tried a full reformat? It can do wonders :)
And stuff like fiddling with sideband adressing, agp fastwrites and AGP speeds (I wouldnt really advise it, but a lot of problems *could* get solved by upping the AGP voltage slightly)
 
are you sure you installed the drivers right? you know, uninstalling the old ones, cleaning them out of the registry, rebooting, clean install of the new drivers and all that?
 
dawdler, what u just said sounds educated, and i hope it's true cuz now I'm planning to get 9800 or maybe save up to get the 9900 bundle with hl2.

Few more questions, is 9700 better than 9800? cuz I saw some place selling 9700 more expensive than 9800? here it's the link : http://www.futureshop.ca/catalog/subclass.asp?logon=&langid=EN&dept=18&WLBS=fs%2Dweb1&catid=10524
This is a very reliable and the greatest electronic store in canada, i always buy my computer stuff there. Stroll down, u will see 9700 more expensive than 9800 128 mb.

One of the article that shows the benchmark on doom3 says that doom3 engine will become very prominent in videogame industry in the next decade, that's why nvida build 5900 for doom3. Do you think this could be true? If so, what will happen to source engine, hl2, valve and Gabe (the fat multi-millionaire in the video)?

Even though I'm a hl2 fan, I really want to see all those doom3 graphical effects in the upcoming games or mods built on source engine; The corpse fade effect, per-polygon hit detection, etc sound really cool. Do you think source engine can handle it ? Educated answer please.
 
how exactly do i clean out ALL traces of my drivers and install the new ones??

also I got an error that says zero displace service error when installing or someting.... quite fuxxored
 
the reason those 9700s are more expensive is because those 9700s are All In Wonder cards, meaning they alloy T.V. in and basically turn your computer into a cool Tivo thing.
 
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