Why Vista Won't Suck article

[WhiteZero]

Cool article detailing all the new stuff with Vista, in depth:
http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1697,1931914,00.asp

 

[Maxi]

Only problem is that, it sucks.

 

[WhiteZero]

Only problem is that, it sucks.

Truly intelligent reply.

 

[bliink]

Its going to be even more bloated than XP no matter how leet they think their kernel is.

 

[destrukt]

^ please explain.

 

[Maxi]

Well take speech recognition for starters. It sounds neat, it looks neat on paper. But in reality who would want to use something that's slower than using a mouse? Perhaps if both your hands were smashed up...

And they've removed the start --> run command (or windows-R). This is one thing that speeds up accessing programs for me. I don't have to go to start, all programs, accessories, calculator to start the calculator for example. I just press windows-R and type calc. Now you could argue that I could just add it to the sidebar, but since my monitor is so small, I don't want it constantly cluttering up my desktop. Or that I could add it to my quicklaunch. To be frank, It's already full of programs that I use daily.

And the 3d interface? I'm really not sure that it will work smoothly on my machine. Hell the XP interface is slowing my computer down, so I changed to the default windows one. It's much faster and hasn't got the "candy" look.

 

[Revisedsoul]

speech recogntion is very usful for people who have little or no use of their hands, from nerve damage, arthritus, armless people, midgets with short arms, i could go on but i think it would only get more ridiculous

 

[destrukt]

Well take speech recognition for starters. It sounds neat, it looks neat on paper. But in reality who would want to use something that's slower than using a mouse? Perhaps if both your hands were smashed up...

And they've removed the start --> run command (or windows-R). This is one thing that speeds up accessing programs for me. I don't have to go to start, all programs, accessories, calculator to start the calculator for example. I just press windows-R and type calc. Now you could argue that I could just add it to the sidebar, but since my monitor is so small, I don't want it constantly cluttering up my desktop. Or that I could add it to my quicklaunch. To be frank, It's already full of programs that I use daily.

And the 3d interface? I'm really not sure that it will work smoothly on my machine. Hell the XP interface is slowing my computer down, so I changed to the default windows one. It's much faster and hasn't got the "candy" look.

speech recognition is just a fun thing they added in, and in no way should you judge vista on it.

win+r is still there, i use it all the time in beta2 (well, for cmd, calc,services.msc and things like that). also, i guess people like you will like this:

Windows Vista has a new search bar located on the Start Panel. You can use the new search box to find items in the various folders of your Start Menu as well as run any application from it. Just type in the name of the executable and it will search your hard drive for it and run it. This is a great feature but if you have a lot of files on your computer, then be prepared for a short delay since it may have to search for a while.

If you do not want to wait that long, there is a quick way to get the old Run command back on your Start Panel.

1. Right click on your taskbar and select Properties.

2. Click on the Start Menu Tab and then select Customize.

3. Scroll through the list and check the Run Command check box.

4. Hit OK a few times and it is back.

source: http://www.tweakvista.com/article38951.aspx

if the default win xp gui is slow on your machine, you desperately need to update. also, i've been using beta2 alot the past few days, and i would say the performance is basically exactly the same as my xp [sp2] setup.

 

[Washuu]

I personally would never get Vista because I do wish to have an operating system, not an OS with a billion different things I didn't want. An operating system is just supposed to be the middle man between hardware and the applications you run, I do not wish to have "an experience" in itself from the operating system, I wish to run my applications that I choose to install as well as they can be ran. I do not care about security, I am just an average person, doing nothing important or top secret, I just want to run my design software ( photoshop, 3ds studio...) and play my video games! I don't care about 3d desktops, and security up the wazoo which I never will need because I do click on advertisements and I know what I install on my computer and that it is always reliable and trusted software. No one is going to "hack" you, the rare hacks that happen are done against large corporations that you tell you their location ( i.e. their website )

My biggest problem with Microsoft, is with all the software and choices they force us to use ( *cough*monopoly*cough* ), they NEVER give us simplier options, or the ability NOT to have something.

The only reason I still use Windows, is basically have to, It is has the largest market share, therefore the largest market backing in software, thus if I don't use it, i lose software I needed, or even worse (*gasp*!) games.

 

[WhiteZero]

heh, it's amazing how much people love to rape the use of the "bloatware" buzzword and the foolishness it stands for.

Just about every feature for a Windows OS that you don't want, you can disable during the install. And even then, if it has to be installed, who is forcing you to use it? It's just sitting in some options window, turned off, and not bothering you.

Whats the world comming to when people complain about getting extra stuff? Especially when the use of that stuff is optional.

My biggest problem with Microsoft, is with all the software and choices they force us to use ( *cough*monopoly*cough* ), they NEVER give us simplier options, or the ability NOT to have something.

Theres plenty of alternatives to MS software.
MS Office ---> OpenOffice for Windows
MS Paint ----> Paint.NET
TaskManager ---> ProcessExporer
the list goes on.

No one is forcing you to take the Microsoft route for software, even MS themselves.

 

[^Ben]

Ah yes, the people who have no idea how an OS works(bliink) how I love thee.

Keep making those comments and i'll keep loll'ing.

 

[clarky003]

As a PC gamer, The main reason I care about it is because it support's directx 10 and therefore extra l33t Gr4ph1X handling with Crysis, which is no^ one on my list of games that must be played.

 

[destrukt]

I personally would never get Vista because I do wish to have an operating system, not an OS with a billion different things I didn't want. An operating system is just supposed to be the middle man between hardware and the applications you run, I do not wish to have "an experience" in itself from the operating system, I wish to run my applications that I choose to install as well as they can be ran. I do not care about security, I am just an average person, doing nothing important or top secret, I just want to run my design software ( photoshop, 3ds studio...) and play my video games! I don't care about 3d desktops, and security up the wazoo which I never will need because I do click on advertisements and I know what I install on my computer and that it is always reliable and trusted software. No one is going to "hack" you, the rare hacks that happen are done against large corporations that you tell you their location ( i.e. their website )

My biggest problem with Microsoft, is with all the software and choices they force us to use ( *cough*monopoly*cough* ), they NEVER give us simplier options, or the ability NOT to have something.

The only reason I still use Windows, is basically have to, It is has the largest market share, therefore the largest market backing in software, thus if I don't use it, i lose software I needed, or even worse (*gasp*!) games.

you're saying you don't care, and that's great -- get vista, have an admin accnt and a standard accnt, use the standard accnt and just use your admin password when you install a game or do another system-related task like install drivers; you're making it out as if they're making it incredibly hard for a normal user, they aren't, they're making it better and have you even used it yet ?

security isn't just about being 'hacked' -- there is spyware, malware, viruses and so on, you didn't know this ? ..

it's not up to microsoft to provide alternatives, they're selling their software, not competitors ? so if you want an alternative, go search yourself, there is basically any alternative to every app included in windows.

so, you want the ability to uninstall an included app, like say sidebar ? guess what, it takes up only a few mb's & is off by default, also to access it you need to go into the start menu, then accessories where all the other 'useless' microsoft included apps are.

it seems like noone (popular linux distros come 'bloated' with extra things just as much as windows does) can fullfil your want of having an os as a middle man -- maybe because it's not quite a smart want ?

some of you seem to have a knack for making problems for yourselves for no apparent reason.

 

[dream431ca]

As a PC gamer, The main reason I care about it is because it support's directx 10 and therefore extra l33t Gr4ph1X handling with Crysis, which is no^ one on my list of games that must be played.

That's why I'll get vista as well...after 1 year after it's released..gotta wait until the major bugs are crushed first.

 

[OCybrManO]

This guy on Digg seems vaguely familiar...

 

[destrukt]

hah, way to go completely off-topic, the guy does have a point though.

 

[Asus]

Going to Vista will probably be just like XP was. No one sees why they should have it. Yet people will surely buy a copy a year or so after it is released. Only difference is XP had windows ME before it...

 

[destrukt]

no one ? since when does no one see why they should have it ?

this is more like going from 3.1 to 95 though.

 

[WhiteZero]

Ehh... I'd still say it's like going from 98SE to XP (greater than going from 2000 to XP).

 

[Javert]

I'll get it, in a year.

 

[Dumb Dude]

Wow! There are a couple of people in this thread who deserve my name more than me.

 

[Reaktor4]

drm bullshit.

 

[Snowden]

What kind of performance hit (startup time etc etc) is Vista?

 

[Chris D]

Well take speech recognition for starters. It sounds neat, it looks neat on paper. But in reality who would want to use something that's slower than using a mouse? Perhaps if both your hands were smashed up...

And they've removed the start --> run command (or windows-R). This is one thing that speeds up accessing programs for me. I don't have to go to start, all programs, accessories, calculator to start the calculator for example. I just press windows-R and type calc. Now you could argue that I could just add it to the sidebar, but since my monitor is so small, I don't want it constantly cluttering up my desktop. Or that I could add it to my quicklaunch. To be frank, It's already full of programs that I use daily.

And the 3d interface? I'm really not sure that it will work smoothly on my machine. Hell the XP interface is slowing my computer down, so I changed to the default windows one. It's much faster and hasn't got the "candy" look.

In the Beta version of Vista I have had through my workplace, it is possible to customise the Start menu to add the "Run" box.

Alternatively, you can now click Start, click on the text box at the bottom of the menu and type Calc and the Calculator will show up in the menu.

The 3D interface currently scales down so that older hardware will by default not display the transparency effects and other blending effects. Much like in XP, any advanced graphical interface options such as blending and animated menus can be disabled.

 

[destrukt]

drm bullshit.

like what ?

What kind of performance hit (startup time etc etc) is Vista?

start up is about similar to xp (though i have some rubbish and haven't defragmented in awhile), so i would like it to be a tiny bit faster and sometimes there is a black screen after the 'loading' screen for a few seconds.

after i'm logged in i would say performance is about the same as xp [sp2] for me, no slow downs at all with aero glass running, plus having my 'usual' programs open, like itunes, ie, ff, steam, xfire and a bunch of others.

i've also tested a couple of games (guild wars, hl2, ..) and performance is pretty much the same too.

this is on beta 2 (5308) with default drivers (a few which suck, like those for my video card).

 

[Snowden]

start up is about similar to xp (though i have some rubbish and haven't defragmented in awhile), so i would like it to be a tiny bit faster and sometimes there is a black screen after the 'loading' screen for a few seconds.

after i'm logged in i would say performance is about the same as xp [sp2] for me, no slow downs at all with aero glass running, plus having my 'usual' programs open, like itunes, ie, ff, steam, xfire and a bunch of others.

i've also tested a couple of games (guild wars, hl2, ..) and performance is pretty much the same too.

Sounds great, I was sure the hit was gonna be a lot greater.

 

[Reaktor4]

like what ?

like pvp-opm and tpm http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4713018.stm
this is the important bit "it would also help prevent people from downloading unlicensed films or media." **** that.

 

[destrukt]

i think you have drm and security mixed up.

encryption (ie, bitlocker) is not drm. also, if you think tpm will be a problem (just like it and palladium were many years ago ? lol . .) don't buy a motherboard with it on it and it's new, well, not really but it's not going to become 'huge' for some time -- this has nothing to do with drm by the way.

hell, the only thing drm (digital rights management) related is the randomly placed title 'Unlicensed music' & the comment about preventing ILLEGAL downloading, this reminds me of those people who cry when microsoft integrated wga and expect to get everything, even though they didn't buy the software.

another funny thing is how you still see people saying how you have to buy a new monitor to run vista because of the new drm, lol.

 

[Reaktor4]

i think you have drm and security mixed up.

encryption (ie, bitlocker) is not drm. also, if you think tpm will be a problem (just like it and palladium were many years ago ? lol . .) don't buy a motherboard with it on it and it's new, well, not really but it's not going to become 'huge' for some time -- this has nothing to do with drm by the way.

I dont care what its called, what it does is what matters. And i havent read near as much about this as i normally would have, as i have no interest in an os that will restrict file sharing, copying, recording etc, so forgive me if i dont know all the exact details..
If tpm stops me doing anything that i do regularly with xp, i consider it a problem.

hell, the only thing drm (digital rights management) related is the randomly placed title 'Unlicensed music' & the comment about preventing ILLEGAL downloading

It does prevent downloading certain files then?

another funny thing is how you still see people saying how you have to buy a new monitor to run vista because of the new drm, lol.

So, you will not be watching hd movies in shit quality (or whatever the 'content owner' decides) if you dont have a monitor with hdcp?

 

[Chris D]

I haven't seen any of this in this thread yet, but I'd also like to make the point that anyone who is saying "lololol vista sucks and is full of bugs" then yes, they're absolutely correct. That's because it's not released for another 7-10 months and it's a beta

 

[destrukt]

I dont care what its called, what it does is what matters. And i havent read near as much about this as i normally would have, as i have no interest in an os that will restrict file sharing, copying, recording etc, so forgive me if i dont know all the exact details..
If tpm stops me doing anything that i do regularly with xp, i consider it a problem.

i guess security bars on homes is a problem for thieves too.

It does prevent downloading certain files then?

it won't prevent you from downloading certain files (though they could do this, but they could do anything like this with current tech), but from playing them without a license (just like now, if you try to play a file in wmp where you need a license).

So, you will not be watching hd movies in shit quality (or whatever the 'content owner' decides) if you dont have a monitor with hdcp?

as you kindly pointed out, up to the content owner.

 

[Dirk Pitt]

Sounds pretty hot to me. Bring on Vista.

 

[Washuu]

I guess I should wait till it's released...

Note to DRM though, yes it ruins file sharing, but more importantly it just is a pain to those obeying all the rules, it makes the ease of working with and using your own files time consuming and painful.

Odd note, I have had more issues with my own music I legitimately bought than the music I obtained overwise.

Windows Vista as far as professional usage, doesn't seem to offer anything that isn't already out there ( Windows XP and 3rd party software ) Just has more sparkles.

 

[destrukt]

sure, there's nothing new that isn't already out there, but that's only if you ignore the new things.