Will this work?

[shadow stalker]

So i've taken the advice to build my own pc (which is actually a small lie, because i will get my mate to do it for me). So i've checked out a few sites (overclockers.co.uk and overclock.co.uk) and the prices seem good. So i've selected all the necessary items, well i think i have. This is where anyone who wants to help me comes in. So far this is what i have....

• Gigabyte GA-K8N Pro AMD Athlon 64 Socket 754 Motherboard
• ATi Radeon 9800Pro 128M OEM
• AMD Athlon64 3000 64bit 754Pin CPU OEM
• Gigabyte 3D Cooler Pro AMD XP/Athlon64/P4 CPU Cooler
• Seagate SERIAL SATA Barracuda 7200.7 120Gb
• Kingston HyperX 512MB DDR PC4000 CL3 Memory Module
• Creative Soundblaster Audigy 2 OEM
• Creative I-Trigue 3300 2.1 Speaker set
• Samsung Samtron 76E 17" CRT Monitor - Black
• AOpen H600B Black Midi Tower 350W ATX PSU
• Samsung SD-616 DVD-ROM OEM (Black)
• Samsung SW-252B 52x CD-RW OEM inc. Software (Black)
• Microsoft Wireless Optical Mouse (Steel Blue)
• Logitech Internet Keyboard PS2 OEM Black

Now, so far this come sto about £950. I would love to get this price down as much as i can without getting rid of its power. Also, if i have left anything out, please let me know. Thanks in advance for any help you can give me

ShadowStalker

 

[Skullhair]

[*]AMD Athlon64 3000 64bit 754Pin CPU OEM

better add a CPU HS/Fan to that list.

 

[gh0st]

looks awesome, that will do good for you. only thing i might do differently is get a 3200+... i dont think they are that much. though if you want to see the price go down a 2800+ is a good choice as well. and a heatsink and fan

edit: scratch that, just spend a couple extra bucks and get a retail cpu

 

[shadow stalker]

Thanks, added a fan (is it good?). Why would you suggest a 3200+, is it much better then the 3000+? thanks for the help.

 

[gh0st]

Thanks, added a fan (is it good?). Why would you suggest a 3200+, is it much better then the 3000+? thanks for the help.

yeah its got twice the l2 cache, which will do some good depending upon what types of applications you use. i believe its ~$282 US in a retail package.

if possible get a thermaltake fan, ive never used a gigabyte anything other than a motherboard.

edit: heres a comparison http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/athlon64-3000_6.html

 

[Neutrino]

The only thing I would suggest you change is to wait on the graphics card. As soon as the new one's come out, the x800 and the 6800, you may be able to pick up a 9800 for much cheaper.

Then for the same price you might be able to pick up the 256 meg version.

 

[shadow stalker]

ok, well ive found a thermaltake fan, a 'Thermaltake Silent Boost K8 AMD Athlon 64 & Opteron' which sounds ok, so ignore the previous fan in my list (as i can't edit it now), and i think im going to stick with the 3000+, simply because i can't spend anymore money... well i can.. i just don't want to

 

[shadow stalker]

OK, thanks for the advice Neurtrino.

 

[lePobz]

So you want a cheaper system huh... can I ask why you're going 64-bit so soon? For better cost effectiveness you should stay 32-bit cuz fast processors are dirt cheap, ans there are absolutely no real advantages for buying 64-bit hardware just now (or for the forseeable future)

 

[gh0st]

So you want a cheaper system huh... can I ask why you're going 64-bit so soon? For better cost effectiveness you should stay 32-bit cuz fast processors are dirt cheap, ans there are absolutely no real advantages for buying 64-bit hardware just now (or for the forseeable future)

except they are better at 32bit processing, and offer a much greater priceerformance ratio than intels cpu's.

 

[lePobz]

yeah im saying get a nice fast + cheap 32-bit AMD cuz u'll be saving about 500 quid off the system price and not really 'missing' the lack of 64-bit processing.

 

[shadow stalker]

ok, i see what your saying Pobz, thanks.

 

[OCybrManO]

You save £500 by going with a 32-bit processor? I doubt that. That would mean his processor would, logically, need to be more than half of the total cost of his computer (as you can see from the parts he has selected, that is not true).

The fastest 64-bit processor, the FX-53, doesn't even cost £500 when combined with a compatible motherboard. An Athlon 64 3200 can be found for about £200 (with a motherboard). An Athlon XP 3200 could probably go as low as £120. A difference of £80 for a computer that is faster in 32-bit programs and is expected to get a significant boost (I think I remember Gabe saying something like 30% faster than 32-bit, but don't quote that) in performance in 64-bit Windows is not bad.

The Athlon 64 3000 gives a lot of bang for your buck right now and it is future-ready. Most importantly, since we are in a game forum, the budget 64's give a sizeable boost in gaming performance over even the fastest XP's.

Don't listen to Pobz.

 

[Johan_Tayn]

the AMD64 is a lot more efficent than even the XP, which always was more so than the P4. Embrace the future and go 64-bit.

Looks good, except I would get different memory.. and slower, with lower CL unless you are OCing, which will be faster. Y'know, the whole diff between the PC3200 and the PC4000 is the clock speed they(the manufactor) say it will run at, which means if you run PC4000 at the normal 200Mhz FSB, it will be as slow or slower than PC3200 depending on CL speed.

 

[OCybrManO]

"the AMD64 is a lot more efficent than even the XP, which always was more so than the P4"

The XP might have been more efficient in performance/clockspeed comparisions but the later P4's (before they started cranking up the performance to try to compete with the Athlon 64) were easily more efficient in price/performance comparisons. Who buys a processor just because the technology is more efficient when the processor itself is slower (in performance) and is more expensive?

Just buy the best performing processor in your price range.

 

[Johan_Tayn]

"the AMD64 is a lot more efficent than even the XP, which always was more so than the P4"

The XP might have been more efficient in performance/clockspeed comparisions but the later P4's (before they started cranking up the performance to try to compete with the Athlon 64) were easily more efficient in price/performance comparisons. Who buys a processor just because the technology is more efficient when the processor itself is slower (in performance) and is more expensive?

Just buy the best performing processor in your price range.

my point was that the AMD64 is more efficient(ie. does more with less) than even the XP which has ALWAYS done more with less than the P4. So the FX-53 @ 2.4Ghz will outperform a 3.4P4(non-EE) despite the differences in clockspeed.

 

[shadow stalker]

Thanks for your help guys, its really apreciated. Although, some of the things you where talking about i had no idea what you where saying, but thats ok... because im really new to the whole 'buying parts separatly' thing.

 

[ShinRa]

shadow u might want to look into more cpu wattage. 350 is ok but your gonna need/want a little more power behind that monster of a video card. when i get the x800 im buying a 560w psu to go with it. trust me, last thing u want is ur comp shorting out in the middle of a great game.

 

[Asus]

Thanks for your help guys, its really apreciated. Although, some of the things you where talking about i had no idea what you where saying, but thats ok... because im really new to the whole 'buying parts separatly' thing.

Stick with the A64 3000+ and add that heatsink/fan and you are set.
:thumbs:

The extra L2 cache on the 3200+ vs 3000+ doesn't give you much performance. They both run at the same clock speed.
The 3200+ is worthy of it's name but the 3000+ isn't....it should be called "3100+" IMO.


As for saving money by going with a 32bit CPU.
1) P4's are 32bit and ~ the same price.
2) Athlon XPs are cheaper but are there will be no improvements on that line (E.I. no PCI Express boards)
3) Athlon 64 rocks both (especially in games)
4) A64 is very cool compared to a P4 or older AXP when on load and even cooling when idle or slight load because of Cool&Quiet

As long as you don't have a lot of harddrives, optical drives or lights then you should be set with a quality 350watt PSU (Enermax/Antec).

 

[shadow stalker]

Thanks for all your help guys, its been really.... helpful