Will you buy XBOX 360?

[Stigmata]

ahhh xbox...for people who cant find their PC's power button or cant run today's best games. ITS A PC IN A BOX!! just get a decent pc and stop playing with the other 2 year olds in the sand box...

I bet you think we're all console fanboys.

And yes, now that you mention it, the 360 is a PC in a box.

A PC-in-a-box that's less than 1/4 the price of a cutting-edge PC, and, oh, let's see... Roughly TEN times more powerful. That sounds about right.

Honestly, I'm completely fed up with fanboys from both sides of the playing field. PCs suck no more and no less than consoles, regardless of whatever your opinion is.

Consoles are routinely, predictably, and in this case, amusingly more powerful than cutting-edge PCs at the time of release.
On the other hand... sort of... PCs have a far higher capacity than consoles for third-party modifications, and can be upgraded easily.

But if you compare the cost:hardware ratio, you find that the next-gen consoles are a far better investment than PCs (as far as performance goes).

A $4000 computer might net you 5GHz, 2GB of top-quality RAM, two cutting-edge video cards, and 1TB of hard drive space.

Whereas a $500 Xbox 360 will get you 9.6GHz, 512MB of RAM (of which only 40MB is allocated to the OS, EVER), and a video card that's apparently twice as good as the next-gen PC cards (although I may be wrong on that count).

The point is, the 360's possible performance is a veritable universe away from that of anyone's PC right now.

 

[Absinthe]

I voted "Yes, but not at launch" because it's the one that fits me closest, but I'm still not entirely sure.

Basing my opinion off of information of all three consoles thus far, it's certainly the most likely.

 

[63]

Maybe after the release.

Whereas a $500 Xbox 360 will get you 9.6GHz, 512MB of RAM (of which only 40MB is allocated to the OS, EVER), and a video card that's apparently twice as good as the next-gen PC cards (although I may be wrong on that count).

9.6GHz?

And you're way wrong on the video card.

 

[chu]

I keep hearing people say the xbox360 will be graphically superior to PCs by the time it comes out. Howcome I have yet to see an xbox360 game that looks far superior than any PC games that are coming out? They say this but forget that a lot of the launch games coming out for the 360 are coming out for PC as well.

I think it's just same old typical bullshitting when a new console is about to launch. I remain unimpressed.

 

[Pesmerga]

Noooooooooooooo
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[The Mullinator]

After a little more thought I have to modify my initial purchase plans by just a little:

Revolution = Must buy
360 = Buy only if it ends up being far better than the Revolution (which I doubt) and offers me things that I cannot get on a PC (which I also doubt).
PS3 = Never buy. Sony's plan seems to basically be use success of PS2 to scare developers into developing games for them and then using the special PS3 hardware make it far too difficult and costly to port to any other system. I simply cannot support something like that.

 

[DreadLord]

Whereas a $500 Xbox 360 will get you 9.6GHz, 512MB of RAM (of which only 40MB is allocated to the OS, EVER), and a video card that's apparently twice as good as the next-gen PC cards (although I may be wrong on that count).

Hahahaha nice one.

I keep hearing people say the xbox360 will be graphically superior to PCs by the time it comes out. Howcome I have yet to see an xbox360 game that looks far superior than any PC games that are coming out? They say this but forget that a lot of the launch games coming out for the 360 are coming out for PC as well.

I think it's just same old typical bullshitting when a new console is about to launch. I remain unimpressed.

Pretty much, there won't be a game that looks better on 360, but fanboys like Axyon and Stigmata will try to drive the point home that they will be omg_uber_1337.

 

[Stigmata]

Hahahaha nice one.



Pretty much, there won't be a game that looks better on 360, but fanboys like Axyon and Stigmata will try to drive the point home that they will be omg_uber_1337.

Hahahaha way to be a hypocrite :|

 

[Pesmerga]

Pretty much, there won't be a game that looks better on 360, but fanboys like Axyon and Stigmata will try to drive the point home that they will be omg_uber_1337.

Hahahahahahahahahahaha

No.


Where the **** did you get the idea that XBox360 games won't look better than PC games? Shit, XBox games still look far superior to the majority of PC games made now, not to mention games made during the same year.

And since when did you all change from your "omg graphics dont meke a game newbe lawl" stance? Haha, you trip over your own high ground you hypocritical pricks.

Nonetheless, XBox360 will have great games and be a great machine, but I honestly don't need much more than BF2, DoD:S and WoW to entertain myself.

 

[DreadLord]

Hahahaha way to be a hypocrite :|

Show me where? You were completely off on your system specs for the 360, so i laughed.

Hahahahahahahahahahaha

No.


Where the **** did you get the idea that XBox360 games won't look better than PC games? Shit, XBox games still look far superior to the majority of PC games made now, not to mention games made during the same year.

And since when did you all change from your "omg graphics dont meke a game newbe lawl" stance? Haha, you trip over your own high ground you hypocritical pricks.

Nonetheless, XBox360 will have great games and be a great machine, but I honestly don't need much more than BF2, DoD:S and WoW to entertain myself.

I've yet to see an Xbox game that compare to any decent PC game from the past few years.

Ohh, and it's always been graphics all the way for me. DoD:S' gameplay is terrible compared to 1.3 for me, but I'll never touch 1.3 again due to source's good graphics (same with CSS).

 

[Pesmerga]

You're a spoiled little brat then, I refuse to talk to anyone who'd rather spend his entire game life in an empty Unreal 3 world than a populated Source world.

 

[DreadLord]

You're a spoiled little brat then, I refuse to talk to anyone who'd rather spend his entire game life in an empty Unreal 3 world than a populated Source world.

Uhh what?

 

[Stigmata]

Okay. I'll give you some figures to back up my claims.

The heart of Microsoft's new system is the CPU, a triple core of 3.2 GHz processors, each capable of running two threads simultaneously, meaning the CPU can generate six threads at once. This power enables, among other things, programmers to give an immense amount of commands to the Central Processing Unit without strain. It also provides programmers with the ability to invent new algorithms in the future, giving them a healthy flexibility in the way they code games. General memory bandwidth is 5.4 GHz, with 21.6 gigabytes per second on the frontside bus connecting the CPU and the GPU.

The CPU is an amazing piece of technology, as it's built with 165 million transistors in it, many the size of mere nanometers. IBM had three plants working on the development of the chips.

The CPU is joined by the GPU, the Graphic Processing Unit, which handles the graphic output of the system (and which has 150 million transistors in it), the Southbridge, which enables all of the Ethernet and controller issues, and the TV encoder, which handles resolution issues, such as progressive scan, interlacing and other TV related issues.

The GPU has the ability to generate 48 shader units using an advanced shader language. In the standard PC, you have both vertex shaders and pixel shaders, each working individually. In the Xbox 360, the shader units can do either, meaning you can have scenes with only a little bit of geometry and a tremendous number of effects, such as a fightng game with only two characters on screen (like Dead Or Alive 4). Or you can deliver tons of geometry with fewers effects, such as a a 100-person action online game (such as Possession or Huxley). It has 512 MB of main memory with a 10MB framebuffer. And it's got 10MB embedded DRAM.

So, essentially:

• An IBM PowerPC based CPU with 3 symmetrical cores running at 3.2 GHz each
• A custom ATI Graphics processor and more than 512 MB of memory for high definition games and entertainment applications

Three 3.2GHz cores = 9.6GHz. Granted, the actual speed might vary, but from my layman's interpretation of this FAQ, I'm fairly accurate.

And for the record, I knew I was probably in the wrong when I posted that remark about the video processor core. Why? Because I was lazy

[edit]

Uhh what?

Come on. It's not that hard to understand what he said.

 

[DreadLord]

[edit]Come on. It's not that hard to understand what he said.

I understand what he said you clown, but why would I ever switch to UE3 rather than source? What website am I posting on?

Also, you may want to check your facts again. A 3 core processor at 3.2Ghz is not 9.6Ghz...

 

[Absinthe]

Also, you may want to check your facts again. A 3 core processor at 3.2Ghz is not 9.6Ghz...

Uhh...

 

[Lethal8472]

I'm going for the Revolution. It won't hurt my wallet anywhere near as much, plus I'm a Nintendo fanboy.

 

[chu]

Where the **** did you get the idea that XBox360 games won't look better than PC games? Shit, XBox games still look far superior to the majority of PC games made now, not to mention games made during the same year.

You couldn't be any more wrong. It is the cross platform games that look like shit on PC because they have to degrade the graphical quality of the games to run on the shitty consoles.

We are in the era where Graphics > Gameplay. There is only a strive to advance the graphical quality wrather than the enjoyment of the game.

 

[Stigmata]

You couldn't be any more wrong. It is the cross platform games that look like shit on PC because they have to degrade the graphical quality of the games to run on the shitty consoles.

Apparently, we've also reached an age where games designed to run on millions of hardware combinations can actually run better than games designed to run on one specific set of hardware.

Either that, or you don't know what you're talking about.

 

[The Mullinator]

Alright this is the usual cycle:
New consoles released. New consoles look better. Console players declare victory. PC graphics catch up. PC graphics look better than consoles. PC players declare victory. New consoles released...

Declaring console or PC graphics being better or worse is just plain stupid for the most part.

 

[VictimOfScience]

If you guys want to help settle any of your differences or just use this to help you as you wag your wangs at each other, there's a great article that discusses pretty much everything you might want to know about the PS3 and the 360 hardware on AnandTech's website. Some of it is pretty high-level, but you can get the idea even if you haven't had any programming or engineering classes .

Read the whole thing here.

Among the highlights you guys might want to consider are these:

The problem is that today, all games are single threaded, meaning that in the case of the Xbox 360, only one out of its three cores would be utilized when running present day game engines. The PlayStation 3 would fair no better, as the Cell CPU has a very similar general purpose execution core to one of the Xbox 360 cores. The reason this is a problem is because these general purpose cores that make up the Xbox 360’s Xenon CPU or the single general purpose PPE in Cell are extremely weak cores, far slower than a Pentium 4 or Athlon 64, even running at much lower clock speeds.

On the other hand, looking at all of the early demos we’ve seen of Xbox 360 and PS3 games, not a single one appears to offer better physics or AI than the best single threaded games on the PC today. At best, we’ve seen examples of ragdoll physics similar to that of Half Life 2, but nothing that is particularly amazing, earth shattering or shocking. Definitely nothing that appears to be leveraging the power of a multicore processor.
In fact, all of the demos we’ve seen look like nothing more than examples of what you can do on the latest generation of GPUs - not showcases of multi-core CPU power.

But for the most part, on day 1, you shouldn’t expect Xbox 360 games to be much more than the same type of single threaded titles we’ve had on the PC.

The importance of this fact is that Microsoft has been talking about the general purpose execution power of the Xbox 360 and how it is 3 times that of the PS3’s Cell processor. With only 1 - 2 threads of execution being dedicated for game code, the advantage is pretty much lost at the start of the console battle.

 

[Warbie]

The 360 looks like excellent value for money, certainly in comparison to pc components.

There will be enough quality exclusive and cross platfrom titles released to make it a worthwhile purchase, especially if you don't plan on buying a PS3. Xbox Live is also a great addition, and well worth the subscription.

I'm going to see how the launch titles turn out before parting with my cash, but will definately get one eventually - if only to play arcade style games online with my mates (something the pc just doesn't cater for)

 

[Direwolf]

I fully endorse both what Mullinator and VictimOfScience just said.

And for the record.....how can people be called "fanboys" when they defend a console they don't even plan on purchasing? Could it just be that they realize how insane some of the derogatory comments being leveled at it are?

 

[Warbie]

Alright this is the usual cycle:
New consoles released. New consoles look better. Console players declare victory. PC graphics catch up. PC graphics look better than consoles. PC players declare victory. New consoles released..

Only the dumbasses

The rest of us are making judgement based on the games released for each platform.

Take a look at the aging GC and PS2 - Okami, Resident Evil 4, Wanda and Collosus, the new Zelda etc etc are all coming out as this generation of consoles die ..... but they all look every bit as exciting (far more so imo) than anything the pc can boast. Hardware means sod all - it's all about the games.

(I still play Worms on the PS every thursday with the same four friends in a league that has been going on for almost a decade - this is every bit as fun as playing BF2 or FEAR on a state of the art pc, probably more )

 

[chu]

Apparently, we've also reached an age where games designed to run on millions of hardware combinations can actually run better than games designed to run on one specific set of hardware.

Either that, or you don't know what you're talking about.

PC gaming isnt just a hobby, it's a skill. :E

What's the fun of getting a game and having work out of the box?

You don't just play the game, you earn the game.

 

[Pesmerga]

I'm not saying ALL Xbox games are better than ALL PC games (graphically), I'm simply saying the graphics for consoles are fundamentally BETTER than PCs.

 

[chu]

I'm not saying ALL Xbox games are better than ALL PC games (graphically), I'm simply saying the graphics for consoles are fundamentally BETTER than PCs.

The first part of what you said negates the second...

 

[Pesmerga]

The first part of what you said negates the second...

No, it doesn't. Please stop assing around by pretending to read what I said as a direct generalization that applies to everything and everyone. You'll start beginning to do that as a habit, and soon enough you'll have enough dirt to build a moral highground. GJ!

Console games are fundamentally more graphically advanced than PC games simply because of the fact that developers don't have to write for a million different combinations of hardware.




You better not infer things in my text that aren't actually there, again, because I'm losing patience with this childish bickering that is humanity.

 

[chu]

No, it doesn't. Please stop assing around by pretending to read what I said as a direct generalization that applies to everything and everyone. You'll start beginning to do that as a habit, and soon enough you'll have enough dirt to build a moral highground. GJ!

Console games are fundamentally more graphically advanced than PC games simply because of the fact that developers don't have to write for a million different combinations of hardware.




You better not infer things in my text that aren't actually there, again, because I'm losing patience with this childish bickering that is humanity.

I understand what you are saying. I just don't see how that makes it advanced.

 

[dream431ca]

It never required an HDTV.

It never did, but the games will look like any old game without one.

 

[Danimal]

I am going to get the PS3.

If I have money and space, then eventually I will get the 360 too.

 

[15357]

If I had the money to buy a console, I would buy some new pc games.

 

[AmishSlayer]

I'm sick of the console vs. PC argument. Anybody that thinks one is far superior to the other is just plain stupid in my book. Each has something else the other can't offer.

As far as graphics go...why are people such graphics whores? As far as I'm concerned if the graphics are good enough that there aren't bugs and aren't horribly bad then I couldn't care less about them. Sure the first part of your gaming experience you'll look around in awe if they're really good...but once that's over all you have left is the gameplay.

That's all I'm concerned about if the other aspects are decent.

Let me ask you this...would you guys still think HL2 is the best game in the world if you take away Source gfx and physics? I certainly wouldn't. Graphics and physics just seem like a gimmick pull to games. Sure HL2 involves them into the game a bit...but it's really a minor aspect that really loses its sense of fun the way it's implemented now. Once everything is fully destructable and affected by physics then I don't care.

 

[15357]

If I had the money to buy a console, I would buy some new pc games.

AKA I don't have the fecking money.

 

[EVIL]

who is conzolez lolz?

 

[Dynasty]

I bet you think we're all console fanboys.

And yes, now that you mention it, the 360 is a PC in a box.

A PC-in-a-box that's less than 1/4 the price of a cutting-edge PC, and, oh, let's see... Roughly TEN times more powerful. That sounds about right.

Honestly, I'm completely fed up with fanboys from both sides of the playing field. PCs suck no more and no less than consoles, regardless of whatever your opinion is.

Consoles are routinely, predictably, and in this case, amusingly more powerful than cutting-edge PCs at the time of release.
On the other hand... sort of... PCs have a far higher capacity than consoles for third-party modifications, and can be upgraded easily.

But if you compare the cost:hardware ratio, you find that the next-gen consoles are a far better investment than PCs (as far as performance goes).

A $4000 computer might net you 5GHz, 2GB of top-quality RAM, two cutting-edge video cards, and 1TB of hard drive space.

Whereas a $500 Xbox 360 will get you 9.6GHz, 512MB of RAM (of which only 40MB is allocated to the OS, EVER), and a video card that's apparently twice as good as the next-gen PC cards (although I may be wrong on that count).

The point is, the 360's possible performance is a veritable universe away from that of anyone's PC right now.

ok that i can agree with, but ive got one major reason to dispise, want to slaughter and rip apart console designers. why? because games originally released on the PC get released on the xbox first??!!! wtf is that all about!!???!!!!! take deus ex 2, sure not the best sequel (in fact one of the worst in my book), but PC development of the game was halted to focus on the xbox development side!! therefore, a game originally for the PC comes out on ****ing consoles first. sorry but **** that. xbox can just burn. most PC games get converted to xbox, but i cant remember the last xbox to be converted to the PC.

oh and plus the fact that the PC is responsible for MAKING xbox games, makes the PC obsolete no matter what anyone says.

 

[Dynasty]

I bet you think we're all console fanboys.

And yes, now that you mention it, the 360 is a PC in a box.

A PC-in-a-box that's less than 1/4 the price of a cutting-edge PC, and, oh, let's see... Roughly TEN times more powerful. That sounds about right.

Honestly, I'm completely fed up with fanboys from both sides of the playing field. PCs suck no more and no less than consoles, regardless of whatever your opinion is.

Consoles are routinely, predictably, and in this case, amusingly more powerful than cutting-edge PCs at the time of release.
On the other hand... sort of... PCs have a far higher capacity than consoles for third-party modifications, and can be upgraded easily.

But if you compare the cost:hardware ratio, you find that the next-gen consoles are a far better investment than PCs (as far as performance goes).

A $4000 computer might net you 5GHz, 2GB of top-quality RAM, two cutting-edge video cards, and 1TB of hard drive space.

Whereas a $500 Xbox 360 will get you 9.6GHz, 512MB of RAM (of which only 40MB is allocated to the OS, EVER), and a video card that's apparently twice as good as the next-gen PC cards (although I may be wrong on that count).

The point is, the 360's possible performance is a veritable universe away from that of anyone's PC right now.

ok that i can agree with, but ive got one major reason to dispise, want to slaughter and rip apart console designers. why? because SOME games originally released on the PC get released on the xbox first??!!! wtf is that all about!!???!!!!! take deus ex 2, sure not the best sequel (in fact one of the worst in my book), but PC development of the game was halted to focus on the xbox development side!! therefore, a game originally for the PC comes out on ****ing consoles first. the PC release date is put back by 3 weeks. sorry but **** that. xbox can just burn. most PC games get converted to xbox, but i cant remember the last xbox game to be converted to the PC.

oh and plus the fact that the PC is responsible for MAKING xbox games, makes the PC obsolete no matter what anyone says. xbox uses PC hardware for god sake. the graphics card in there is the best PC card money can buy. i say no more :E

I'm sick of the console vs. PC argument. Anybody that thinks one is far superior to the other is just plain stupid in my book. Each has something else the other can't offer.

As far as graphics go...why are people such graphics whores? As far as I'm concerned if the graphics are good enough that there aren't bugs and aren't horribly bad then I couldn't care less about them. Sure the first part of your gaming experience you'll look around in awe if they're really good...but once that's over all you have left is the gameplay.

That's all I'm concerned about if the other aspects are decent.

Let me ask you this...would you guys still think HL2 is the best game in the world if you take away Source gfx and physics? I certainly wouldn't. Graphics and physics just seem like a gimmick pull to games. Sure HL2 involves them into the game a bit...but it's really a minor aspect that really loses its sense of fun the way it's implemented now. Once everything is fully destructable and affected by physics then I don't care.

*bows before him* see now THAT has a point. HL2 would just be another fps on the shelf if it werent for source and its graphics and physics. come on, admit it. storyline? pfft its crap compared to HL1, again, admit it.

 

[poseyjmac]

all i know is im getting an xbox360 and oblivion. plugging it into my monitor and will be running at highest detail. much cheaper than having to buy the latest greatest PC rig to run the same detail settings. this is according to the oblivion devs.

 

[Absinthe]

come on, admit it. storyline? pfft its crap compared to HL1, again, admit it.

How about no?

Any way, you seem to have more issue with developer decisisions rather than consoles themselves.

 

[3ssence]

I'll be getting an Xbox 360, voted not at launch, but may change my mind in the meantime.

I have a decent pc and am planning to build a new dual core, sli setup mid next year, but that's irrelevant, as the xbox 360 will have titles that the pc won't, and will provide a very different gaming experience (cue.... yeah, different gaming experience..... a shit one, zomg lolololol)

Imo the best driving games, football games, fighting games, and some rpg games (MGS series) are on consoles, yes i know you can get PES4 on pc, but imo the experience is still a better one on a console.

Anyone who flippantly discards consoles because their pc is far more expensive, then their loss tbh. And yes, the xbox 360 will be capable of superior graphics than the pc when it is released, and will cost less than the current top end cards.

And same as poseyjmac, i shall be plugging mine into my 20 inch viewsonic 201s tft for high def console gaming (which isn't a must, you can still play them on a normal non hdtv tv, but if you want the highest res from your xbox 360 then hdtv is required)

 

[Gargantou]

I'm getting a 360+Plug'N'Play(So that you can just plug in the wireless controller and play with it when it's recharging)+Oblivion+a Samsung LE-32R51B HDTV.
Which tbh draws me near what a decent new PC'd cost for me(2,000 bucks).

But it's worth it imo, I'm dissatisfied with my current 18" TV anyway.