Windows 7 official name is....

You ever seen DOS prefixed with the letters MS, anytime between 1981 and now?

Anywayssssss, Windows 1 2 and 3 ran under DOS. I don't see the point of listing every version.
 
kazsymonds said:
Windows 3 - Shit
Windows 3.1 - Good
Windows 95 - Shit
Windows 98 - Good
Windows ME - Shit
XP - Good
Vista - Shit
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Dude, 95 isn't shit imo. 98 with SE is good, original is shit. And lastly, Vista isn't shit! It's just too revolutionizing.
 
How about this.

Windows 1 - ok
Windows 2 - decent
Windows 3 - good
Windows NT3 - good
Windows 4 - great
Windows NT4 - great
Windows NT5 - excellent
Windows NT6 - fantastic

Or to make it more simple:

DOS Windows - good
9x Windows - great
NT Windows - fantastic
 
G(ordon)-man said:
Dude, 95 isn't shit imo. 98 with SE is good, original is shit. And lastly, Vista isn't shit! It's just too revolutionizing.
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I disagree, i think it isnt revolutionising enough.

The more popular windows operating systems added a lot from their predecessor.

Most people (incorrectly) see vista as xp with more bells and whistles.

I like vista, i dont think it performs badly, and it's NEVER crashed on my machine - but it seems to be very unpopular.
 
Vista is awesome and those who disagree with this fact are animals. Wild animals.
 
Iced_Eagle said:
No way in hell.

XP to Vista was a huge mistake on the timing of an OS. Most OS' definitely do not release at such late times as there are so many advances in tech between each release.

Even with the two year period, possibly three years by the time it's out, Microsoft is still at the point where it has the least frequent updates.

Linux releases on 3 month cycles I believe (kernel that is, where distro's are on their own schedule) and Apple has releases anywhere from 6 months to 2.5 years.

The thing is, if you wait too long and let users get too familiar, they get pissed when you try to change things, as seen in Vista, even though it is the right thing to do.

So basically, get used to more frequent releases of Windows, just like they used to. It's time to go back to the mindset of pre-XP in terms of more frequent, iterative releases rather than huge changes all at once that disrupts the entire ecosystem too much.
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So your basically saying it's all just a marketing ploy for Microsoft to make money right? Someone explain to me the advantages of Vista over XP other than DX10 please. I just don't get it.

I just don't understand the hype surrounding the new release of a new OS. They're always buggy until the first SP, and the advantages over the older OS always seems to be minimal.
An OS imo is merely just a tool for a PC to get the job done and until I run out of good reasons to continue to have XP, I just don'......<rant rant rant> etc. :p

From a corporate point of view though, I don't blame Microsoft for wanting to make money. Until XP quits running stuff for me I want it to run, I see no point in upgrading to a new OS. It's all about what an OS can do for me with as little hassle as possible really. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. (i.e. not being able to run DX10 for some people would be an example of "broke".)

BTW, I have a friend who just installed Kasperskys AV on his Vista SP2 system when he told me he had to downgrade to SP1 for the AV program to even work. Do any of you Kasperky owners who also have Vista installed have this problem?

If so, then maybe Windows 7 will fix this problem and more. (Probably not until the release of it's first SP though.)
 
Err; Vista doesn't have a SP2 as far as my updates tell me...I've heard its planned though.
 
DEATHMASTER said:
Err; Vista doesn't have a SP2 as far as my updates tell me...I've heard its planned though.
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I meant SP1. Ooops. :o

It was the original build of Vista he had to downgrade to so he could get Kasperskys to work. He had SP1.
 
Yeah **** SP1, breaks some of mah programs. And by some I mean 1.
 
Saturos said:
Someone explain to me the advantages of Vista over XP other than DX10 please. I just don't get it.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Features_new_to_Windows_Vista
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technical_features_new_to_Windows_Vista

There are a bunch of improvements, particularlly under the hood which is why there were problems early on. To the end user I don't see any big reason to buy an upgrade to Vista but I also don't see why, when getting a new PC, anyone should choose XP over Vista.

Saturos said:
It was the original build of Vista he had to downgrade to so he could get Kasperskys to work. He had SP1.
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Anti-virus programs are fairly low level pieces of software so it doesn't really surprise me that one could break after an update like SP1. I do feel though that the onus is on the anti-virus creator to keep it updated to match the OS they are trying to protect.
 
Barney Fife said:
You must also understand that releasing a great OS like XP will outsell two or three not so great OS combine, because you and I know that we didn't buy XP once and that was it, but we also must buy an OS whenever we upgrade, meaning, I bought three or maybe four copies of XP since OS was released.

I bow out Sir Eagle.
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Huh? You don't have to buy a new copy of XP everytime you upgrade. I've upgraded my PC several times, once for the graphics card, then for the processor, then a new hard drive, then for a new graphics card, still using the original copy of XP I bought when I first built this PC.
 
Yet games and general Windows navigating/app usage is still quicker in XP. I've had no trouble with Vista sp1 and Kaspersky btw.

I've also noticed that fonts are a little aliased in Vista - i've seen it mentioned on a few forums/sites and there's a few font fixes about (that don't improve things a great deal). Perhaps i'm being overly anal, but the lack of crispness bugs me.
 
Warbie said:
Yet games and general Windows navigating/app usage is still quicker in XP. I've had no trouble with Vista sp1 and Kaspersky btw.

I've also noticed that fonts are a little aliased in Vista - i've seen it mentioned on a few forums/sites and there's a few font fixes about (that don't improve things a great deal). Perhaps i'm being overly anal, but the lack of crispness bugs me.
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I don't see that.

However, first make sure you are running Windows at the native resolution of your screen. If it makes the font too small, simply change the DPI. Resolution doesn't have anything to do with the size of fonts and such.

Second, if you are running at native res, then go into the CP and run the ClearType Text Tuner which allows you to adjust the font to how you like it. I've done this and maybe that's why I don't feel that the font is aliased, because it's the style I like.

Also, navigation in Vista I feel is superior to XP. You have the nice breadcrumb trail which makes navigating through multiple folders really easy, and you don't have to go back like three times, then select a new folder to start checking, you just open that bread crumb at the top, and go to the new folder. Potentially like 4 or 5 clicks reduced to 2 and saves time. Also, the Start Menu is a hell of a lot nicer. I can't tell you how many times in XP I've had my cursor accidently go outside of the bounds of an item in the start menu and it closes that sub-list in start menu. I really like Vista start menu a lot more, especially with the search.
 
Iced_Eagle said:
http://phrosty.phoenixlabs.org/pg2-rc1/

Also, anti-virus software routinely breaks with any OS upgrade. It's because they tend to tap straight into the kernel, and obviously any tweaks Microsoft does ****s up everything they did. It's the price they pay for making everything so low level.
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Um yeah I already have it working on my x64 Vista. It breaks with SP1 though and they already know that. Yet they don't have a fix for that.
 
What about Vista's huge memory requirement for games? Also, what's the point of the UAC? Biggest waste of space in that version of Windows tbh. Kill it, KILL...IT...WITH...ELECTRICITY!
 
So get more memory! UAC is pretty crap but it'll probably useful when you have a virus you can't get rid of so easily, like in the other thread.
 
Sir Phoenixx said:
Huh? You don't have to buy a new copy of XP everytime you upgrade. I've upgraded my PC several times, once for the graphics card, then for the processor, then a new hard drive, then for a new graphics card, still using the original copy of XP I bought when I first built this PC.
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Upgrading, to me, means: Building a new system. I should say "Every time we build" rather, and that came out wrong. I have built three to four personal systems since XP was released and bought new XP copy every time; that was my implication.
Sorry for the confusion on my part; you do not have to buy a new copy of OS, whenever you change, or upgrade components.
 
Saturos said:
What about Vista's huge memory requirement for games? Also, what's the point of the UAC? Biggest waste of space in that version of Windows tbh. Kill it, KILL...IT...WITH...ELECTRICITY!
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The requirement is higher just because Vista uses a bit more memory. Every OS increases its memory foot print with each release. Vista's isn't too large when looking at the big picture, but it is bigger than XP.

Oh, and UAC as I already said was shit in Vista, just wait for Win7 when it is not annoying and more helpful. It's there to help protect the machine from you! Linux has it, Mac has it, Microsoft was the last company to join the party.
 
So what are they doing to change it in Win7? (and apparently, what did they change going to stock -->SP1 in Vista?)
 
DEATHMASTER said:
So what are they doing to change it in Win7? (and apparently, what did they change going to stock -->SP1 in Vista?)
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Well, I can't talk about what's changed in Win7 (but you can read the feedback they received here: http://blogs.msdn.com/e7/archive/2008/10/08/user-account-control.aspx ).

In SP1, they tweaked some of the things you got prompted on (deleting shortcuts on desktop), among other things. It's merely refinements that you probably won't notice because it doesn't show UAC for certain things now.
 
DEATHMASTER said:
So get more memory! UAC is pretty crap but it'll probably useful when you have a virus you can't get rid of so easily, like in the other thread.
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I still have an older MB limited to 2GBs. More memory would mean an entire upgrade for many people, myself included. That's why so many Vista haters at first. (and probably still)
I don't hate Vista though like others do, I just don't need it really.

XP is still the "ol' reliable" in my book for now. Hasn't failed me yet, so why bother with Vista?
 
UAC was Microsoft's defense against the lowest common denominator...the people who get emails saying "delete such and such a file, its a virus," and they end up trashing their harddrive...still, it should automatically be disabled for the default Administrator account...
 
Ridge said:
UAC was Microsoft's defense against the lowest common denominator...the people who get emails saying "delete such and such a file, its a virus," and they end up trashing their harddrive...still, it should automatically be disabled for the default Administrator account...
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The thing is, you should not be using an Administrator account for day to day use.

That's like using Linux and always being on root. It is just something so stupid that people should not be able to do. In fact, in Ubuntu, they block logging in as root and instead anytime you want to install programs you must always type in the root password. Obviously, you can be an asshat and work around that so you are able to log in as root, but you have no need.

As I said earlier, MS is heavily tweaking UAC so it's useful to everyone from IT Pros to Joe Six Pack ( :P ).

I will be able to share details starting Tuesday, so stay tuned. :cheers:
 
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