WMD COMMISSION REPORT: Bush did not lie.

[Calanen]

4. Hatemonger and start arguments for the very sake of it.

Excuse me - the only person who has received the official Captain Stern Hatemonger Award for 2005 is moir. Wait until next year if you want to give out another award.

 

[el Chi]

Excuse me - the only person who has received the official Captain Stern Hatemonger Award for 2005 is moir. Wait until next year if you want to give out another award.

Sorry, you're absolutely right!
On the other hand, Bodacious was seemingly putting his own Hatemongering award up for grabs. Although one would assume that was reserved exclusively for the "loony" left. :hmph:

 

[Dynasty]

Man you really need professional help.

1) How as the USA informed about 9/11 before it occured?

Give me one credible source that is not a conspiracy theorist rant on some looneys webpage.

2) The Pentagon was hit by a plane. To suggest otherwise is nonsense even if there are a 1000 webpages with conspiracy rants on them.

In fact a guy that my firm did business with was on the plane. The Metrocall Chief Operating Officer - Steven "Jake" Jacoby, 43, of Alexandria, Va.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2001/09/12/victim-capsule-flight77.htm

So he was in on the scam? Drove himself to the Pentagon, blew himself up and pretended he was on the plane? Or is he in hiding somewhere along with everyone else on the plane that apparently according to you did not fly into the Pentagon.

well if youre critisising me of lack of proof then i throw it back at you. eyewitness accounts for the 'airliner' can be found along with witnesses of no airliner.

and no im not saying that the plane DIDNT crash at all, so please stop putting words in my mouth lol. it just seemed more realistic in terms of VISUAL FACTS. if a plane crashes into something it leaves:
-a black box
-wreckage
-jet fuel

since NONE of these were even found or reported found to this date suggests it wasnt a plane at all.

and regarding the warnings prior to 9/11 (well 11/9 in REAL language), how the hell is anyone supposed to know HOW they got it? no offense but its kind of a stupid question for you to ask. until the US government releases facts about what truly happened, we ALL will never know how the events occured. governments hide a **** load of info from their country, doesnt mean the US government isnt going to lie to their own country.

and if you believe that the US wont lie because you love it so much (that is if youre american of course :E), then you have to face facts.

 

[Dynasty]

isnt there so much love on the these forums...

 

[seinfeldrules]

Robot... must... fathifully, repeat, what robot hears.... bleep bloop blop.

Weren't you the one who actually worked for John Kerry?

 

[Bodacious]

Because you yourself categorically never:
1. Stand up on your high-horse.
2. Arrogantly rant bollocks from your soap-box whilst being reluctant, to say the least, to consider the possibility of anyone else holding valid opionions should they not match your own.
3. Spew bile because of the above two points.
4. Hatemonger and start arguments for the very sake of it.

Your unfailing, consistent hypocrisy is very tiring.

Good job not adding to the discussion and posting a personal attack. I am sure your moderator friends don't care. Do I have to be left wing to get immunity, or did you do some "favors" for them?

I have conceded many points to No Limit. Send him a pm, I am sure he remembers.

Most of what I post is opinion anyways.

No one forces you to read my stuff.

 

[Calanen]

In the context of the US government's many lies, including this report on WMDs, Dynasty saw fit to throw some stuff out about the Pentagon. I thought I addressed this, but wait there's more....

well if youre critisising me of lack of proof then i throw it back at you. eyewitness accounts for the 'airliner' can be found along with witnesses of no airliner.

Throw it back at me? I gave you a link that had a collection of dozens of eyewitness testimonies as to what happened, from different people, different newsagencies collected together about watching a plane hit the pentagon. You provided zero support for what you had to say. And I don't mean a loony webpage. Give me some CNN or CBS reports saying - there was no plane we just saw the Pentagon blow up.

and no im not saying that the plane DIDNT crash at all, so please stop putting words in my mouth lol.

Words in your mouth huh - aren't these your words:

also, the pentagon WASNT hit by a plane

My posts only addressed you saying no plane hit the Pentagon. If you were trying to say, the plane did not hit the Pentagon but crashed somewhere else (I don't think that was what you were saying) that is just as ridiculous.

if a plane crashes into something it leaves:
-a black box
-wreckage
-jet fuel

since NONE of these were even found or reported found to this date suggests it wasnt a plane at all.

'NONE' of these were found or 'reported'. Except for:

Black Box: http://www.defense.gov/news/Sep2001/n09142001_200109142.html

Wreckage:

http://media.popularmechanics.com/images/0305911-flight77-lg.jpg

-jet fuel, like the stuff that apparently is not burning here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Pentagon_after_September_11,_2001,_terrorist_attack.jpg

and regarding the warnings prior to 9/11 (well 11/9 in REAL language), how the hell is anyone supposed to know HOW they got it?

You said that America knew in advance about 9/11. I said show me how they knew in advance. One credible source from anywhere. And then you say 'how the hell is anyone supposed to know HOW they got it?'

Well presumably you are supposed to know. Because you raised the point.

Instead you say I'm stupid - because I ask you to substantiate your claim re:

no offense but its kind of a stupid question for you to ask. until the US government releases facts about what truly happened

.

The answer to my question is as simple one - yet you can't substantiate the claims you are making except with circular reasoning - so stop making them. Your argument was America knew in advance, and when I ask how, you say 'Well who knows how they knew...' Does that really make sense to you? No 'offence', but for a man who likes to call me stupid, what you have just said, was incredibly stupid.

As for whether or not the government lies to me, I don't have a problem with the concept that the government lies to me. I know they do. I do have a problem with saying that a plane did not hit the Pentagon when dozens of eyewitnesses are on record as seeing it happen, and there were about 50 odd people on the plane who are now dead.

 

[ComradeBadger]

Bodacious. Don't be a penis - the left wing members have no 'immunity' .

In case you hadn't noticed - I'm arguing your side in this bloody debate - politics do not come into our decisions on matters of who to warn.

 

[Bodacious]

Bodacious. Don't be a penis - the left wing members have no 'immunity' .

In case you hadn't noticed - I'm arguing your side in this bloody debate - politics do not come into our decisions on matters of who to warn.

check your pms, please.

 

[CptStern]

quotes of the day:


"Most of what I post is opinion anyways" - Bodacious ...thank you

"Don't be a penis" - ComradeBadger ...I dont know why it was so funny but I LoL. Probably cuz I havent heard that expression in years ...and usually only from my wife

 

[el Chi]

Good job not adding to the discussion and posting a personal attack. I am sure your moderator friends don't care. Do I have to be left wing to get immunity, or did you do some "favors" for them?

I have conceded many points to No Limit. Send him a pm, I am sure he remembers.

Most of what I post is opinion anyways.

No one forces you to read my stuff.

I was merely pointing out the hypocrisy of your post.
As for my "moderator friends"? That sounds awfully petty, but if you feel hard done by and think I deserve a warning, feel free to report me.
You also sound rather bitter, but please note left wing members here have receieved warnings too... I don't think anyone has "immunity", as you put it.

I partly retract my second statement, as I believe that you may well have conceded to No Limit, so apologies. However on the whole I have witnessed you being extremely stubborn and condescending.
Although I fear that might just be an affliction of the Politics forum in general.

Whether or not I'm forced to read it is irrelevant; the fact that I have read it of my own accord doesn't mean I can't respond, or be offended by it.

But as you said, this isn't contributing to the discussion, so perhaps we should just agree to disagree.

 

[Calanen]

However on the whole I have witnessed you being extremely stubborn and condescending.

Man there are heaps of people ahead in the queue for that description

 

[No Limit]

See post #18, I won't argue in circles.

But you are not arguing in circles if you don't have an argument in the first place. Look, to say that something great was found in that 3 months isn't only gullible, it is absolutely insane. With all the heat on Bush after WMDs were not found they released every intelligence they had, they sure as hell would have released that huge breakthrough intelligence that showed Saddam had these weapons if it existed.

Also, for the report to claim Bush didn't know a lot of this intelligence was flawed is absurd. Joe Wilson along with many other world intelligence communities were telling Bush that the case that Saddam was trying to buy Uranium from Niger was completely false (as we knew then and know now). This lead to republicans trying to destroy Wilson and then someone exposing Wilson's wife as a CIA agent which is highly illegal to try and damage his credibility.

Remember, all of this 'intelligence' was questioned by many people around the world, including the UN inspectors. If we had waited a lot of this would have proven to be false. So why didn't Bush wait? He went in while the inspectors were still on the ground. Bush is responsible for this war, none else. This report is quick to blame the intelligence community but for some reason won't blame the guy that started this war after refusing to hear any contrary evidance (as your report states).

 

[Direwolf]

http://media.popularmechanics.com/images/0305911-flight77-lg.jpg

Not to nitpick, but a lot of people claim that wreckage was from a helicopter sitting on a pad not far from the impact site. However, almost every single rescue person to arrive on the scene has claimed they did indeed see wreckage.
For those arguing that a "missile" did it: it's insane and almost impossible to prove a negative (especially one as bizarre as this). You have to instead try and prove a positive. You need proof that it was a missile, not that it wasn't a plane.

 

[Bodacious]

But you are not arguing in circles if you don't have an argument in the first place. Look, to say that something great was found in that 3 months isn't only gullible, it is absolutely insane. With all the heat on Bush after WMDs were not found they released every intelligence they had, they sure as hell would have released that huge breakthrough intelligence that showed Saddam had these weapons if it existed.

Also, for the report to claim Bush didn't know a lot of this intelligence was flawed is absurd. Joe Wilson along with many other world intelligence communities were telling Bush that the case that Saddam was trying to buy Uranium from Niger was completely false (as we knew then and know now). This lead to republicans trying to destroy Wilson and then someone exposing Wilson's wife as a CIA agent which is highly illegal to try and damage his credibility.

Remember, all of this 'intelligence' was questioned by many people around the world, including the UN inspectors. If we had waited a lot of this would have proven to be false. So why didn't Bush wait? He went in while the inspectors were still on the ground. Bush is responsible for this war, none else. This report is quick to blame the intelligence community but for some reason won't blame the guy that started this war after refusing to hear any contrary evidance (as your report states).

Thank you for your thoughts.

 

[Apos]

Weren't you the one who actually worked for John Kerry?

Indeed. But do you hear me running around repeating the liberal version of the lamest Fox talking points like a drone? Calling Bush stupid or a facist or whatever the latest drivel rhetoric is?

 

[seinfeldrules]

Indeed. But do you hear me running around repeating the liberal version of the lamest Fox talking points like a drone? Calling Bush stupid or a facist or whatever the latest drivel rhetoric is?

It just sounds rather stupid to attack someone else's opinion when you undoubtedly used your own opinion to persuade others during the election. You seem to be a smart guy, yet you had to pull that little robot thing? Bah, whatever.

 

[Apos]

It just sounds rather stupid to attack someone else's opinion when you undoubtedly used your own opinion to persuade others during the election. You seem to be a smart guy, yet you had to pull that little robot thing? Bah, whatever.

There's a big difference between parroting almost word for word a dorky attack meme, and actually making an argument. If you can't see the difference, you've got a problem.

 

[seinfeldrules]

There's a big difference between parroting almost word for word a dorky attack meme, and actually making an argument. If you can't see the difference, you've got a problem.

And I think you have a problem if your response is

"Heh, move arm up two, repeat Bush, move arm down, creeaaakkk. I am so original"
Man you really showed gh0st how wrong he was! :thumbs:

 

[bliink]

Try posting using a useful part of your brains in a thread thats still open.

Closed.

Its obvious this has degraded itself into flame