WMDs VS CBS

[Bodacious]

you did not answer my question. And what you say is true where is the UN in rwanda, they are there more than we are.

And you haven't answered mine, so we're even. Besides, I want an apology for your extremely offensive assumption about me not serving.

 

[seinfeldrules]

if that's true then the US never had any to begin with ..you've blown your credibility for generations to come:

Stern you know as well as I do that people dont have any attention spans. They'll forget about it the second they come to us for help on X issue.

 

[CptStern]

Are you denying saddam paid palestinian famlies to blow Israelies up? Saddam supported terror, there is no question about that. That was the continuing threat.

how is that a continuing threat to the security of the united states?

Past mistakes (your water treatment assesment) don't change the Congress' Iraq war resolution does it?

you're asking me to defend their decision ..I wont it was the wrong thing to do ..oh the water treatment assessment shows that the justification of "humanitarianism" is hogwash

 

[CptStern]

Stern you know as well as I do that people dont have any attention spans. They'll forget about it the second they come to us for help on X issue.

no one wants your brand of "help" ask Jean Paul aristide if he appreciated the US' "help"

 

[Bodacious]

how is that a continuing threat to the security of the united states?

Someone friendly to terrorists isn't a threat? Are we on the same plane of existance here?

you're asking me to defend their decision ..I wont it was the wrong thing to do ..oh the water treatment assessment shows that the justification of "humanitarianism" is hogwash

Right or wrong Saddam was diposed and is on trial and Iraq now has a democratically elected government. Those facts, to me, make the war justified.

 

[kmack]

You have made some good points, but i don't think that the information available to us, can allow anyone to understand why:

We chose Iraq when

In the Congo there is a crisis on a much greater scale, genocide is occuring and the scale is growing. It is one of the most oppressive regimes on the planet, far, far worse than Saddams. They live in a poverty far worse than Iraq, they have no food, and disease runs rampant.

In North Korea an equally oppressive regime (Communists for God's sake) that hints at Genocide and blatantly admits to having those WMD's we were so scared Iraq had (AND THEY DID NOT).

Why Iraq over these places and many more. There are arguments to go there, but those same arguments could be made to go to the Congo or North Korea, and the arguments would be legitimate (concerning north koreas wmds) and far better than those that say go to Iraq for those same reasons. The fact is, no one in the public knows for sure why we chose Iraq.

 

[Bodacious]

Why Iraq over these places and many more.

For a multitude of reasons.

For one, how many UN resolutions over the course of a decade has Congo or NK violated?

For two, what terror regimes do Nk and Congo support?

The fact is, no one in the public knows for sure why we chose Iraq.

I know why, why don't you?

 

[Absinthe]

Give up seinfeld. Read my sig. No amount of fact will change their minds. No limit, stern, and the thread starter fit that mold perfectly.

You know what's ridiculous about your sig? With a few words changed, it could address conservatives! Hooray for moronic rhetoric!

Please stop pretending that you are on some kind of higher ground when you have, of all people, Rush Limbaugh quoted in your sig.

 

[kmack]

The congo has violated plenty, and dont talk about the UN when you are in full support of a war that goes against their will. You have yet to answer that question well, but dont worry, rush limbaugh would probably have trouble (even if he wasnt in a drug induced stupor)

 

[Bodacious]

The congo has violated plenty,

Source?

and dont talk about the UN when you are in full support of a war that goes against their will. You have yet to answer that question well, but dont worry, rush limbaugh would probably have trouble (even if he wasnt in a drug induced stupor)

What question would you like answered? How about you apologize to me and I will think about it.

 

[Bodacious]

You know what's ridiculous about your sig? With a few words changed, it could address conservatives! Hooray for moronic rhetoric!

Please stop pretending that you are on some kind of higher ground when you have, of all people, Rush Limbaugh quoted in your sig.

Who cares if it is moronic rhetoric if it is true? Kmack proved it.

 

[seinfeldrules]

no one wants your brand of "help" ask Jean Paul aristide if he appreciated the US' "help"

If they dont want it, then why do they ask? You are being very naive if you dont think people request and greatly appreciate various forms of help from the US. Again, how much did Canada contribute to fight AIDs? Was it more than 15 billion dollars? Did Canada contribute more to the Tsunami disaster?

 

[seinfeldrules]

Why Iraq over these places and many more. There are arguments to go there, but those same arguments could be made to go to the Congo or North Korea, and the arguments would be legitimate (concerning north koreas wmds) and far better than those that say go to Iraq for those same reasons. The fact is, no one in the public knows for sure why we chose Iraq.

What type of person attacked us on 9/11?

 

[Absinthe]

Who cares if it is moronic rhetoric if it is true? Kmack proved it.

One person in a sea of millions.

If I put a similarly ignorant rant about pro-Bushies in my sig, I'm sure I could find at least one person that backs it up.

 

[kmack]

Bodacious you attack me by name, stop. The question is: what reason do we go to Iraq over the other countries that far exceed Iraq's problems.

We go to Iraq for WMD's, they have NONE. Why not go into North Korea if we are so interested in stopping WMD's. At least in North Korea they actually exist.

We go to Iraq to liberate it's people from a brutal dictator, who is a tyrant to his people. Why not go to the Congo where hundreds of thousands of people are being slain for their ethnecity, a trend that is just starting to repeat itself (from the atrocities of the 90's). They have it far, far worse than (In case you didn't know, mass genocide is something the UN does NOT, I repeat not tolerate, why you continue to think that the UN doesn't acknowledge them dumbfounds me.) Iraqi's in every single aspect of their lives. They live in dire poverty, malnourished stricken with disease in a lawless country where they are murdered on a larger scale than Iraq.

We go to Iraq to stop terrorism (how many hijackers were from Iraq, none, as opposed to 13 from Saudi Arabia), yet let the situation in Afghanistan go under the radar as we silently withdraw troops and funds. WE fail to even acknowledge the hand Saudi Arabia played in terrorism.

You cannot answer these questions because there is no logical answer. We disobeyed the UN to take action against a country that, in comparison to places the UN might support our actions in,
isn't all that bad off.

Please, stop insulting me, saying that I prove Rush Limbaugh's quote correct. Do not judge me on these posts.

 

[CptStern]

Someone friendly to terrorists isn't a threat? Are we on the same plane of existance here?

ok right now go to GH bush's house and arrest him ...he aided terrorism by pardoning a wanted terrorist responsible for amongst other things the murder of 73 civilians aboard a cuban commercial jet...in fact GH bush and bosch go waaaay back to when one was a paid terrorist of the other who was the head of the CIA at the time ..google Operation COndor

Right or wrong Saddam was diposed and is on trial and Iraq now has a democratically elected government. Those facts, to me, make the war justified.

ya we'll see exactly how "democratic" it really is. Hey with Chalabi and Allawi on the case, how can you go wrong? the thief and the murderer ..yup better than saddam ..for now

 

[seinfeldrules]

ya we'll see exactly how "democratic" it really is.

Coming in second behind the religious Shiites' United Iraqi Alliance List (UIA), which will hold about 130 seats in the assembly, was an ethnic Kurdish list that took about 26 percent, or 70, of the seats. The party of the secular Shiite and US favorite Iyad Allawi came a distant third, with about 14 percent, or 38 seats.

Furthermore, Ibrahim al-Jaafari emerged as the favorite to win the PM position. Seems your conspiracy theory has sunken about as far as it can go. Democracy has taken hold and you cant stand that.

 

[CptStern]

hahaha ya that's it! I cant stand democracy!

not to worry, with 2 bad apples in current/former positions of power how can lighting possibly strike a 3 rd time?

like I said ..only time will tell

 

[seinfeldrules]

hahaha ya that's it! I cant stand democracy!

At least you can admit it.

 

[Tr0n]

Yes didn't you hear?Stern is a commie! :O He's a threat to america!

(sarcasm)

 

[Death.Trap]

Yes didn't you hear?Stern is a commie! :O He's a threat to america!

(sarcasm)

*Calls crimestoppers*


:smoking:


The politics forum is a great source of comedy.

 

[burner69]

But we (as a country, not a party) believed that Saddam also had WMD. It wasnt something Bush made up, it wasnt something Kerry made up, it was what our nation's intelligence community was telling us.

As well as a large portion telling us he DIDN'T have WMDs. So what do you do?
a) Believe the side that says no WMDs
b) Continue looking for proof
c) Invade, and p*ss off a lot of people

b), Would have suited me. But when Saddam said that he had none, and let the inspectors in, you invaded. "But Saddam moved the weapons between times", I hear you cry. Well great then, so he dosen't have them anymore.

....So invasion.. why?

Incidently Bodacious, I don't agree with a large aspect of the war, but I respect anyone who goes and fights a war. It takes a lot of balls, that I don't think I have.

 

[seinfeldrules]

b) Continue looking for proof

After he only let the inspectors in whenever it suited him. I'm sorry, but when 3 of the 4 top intelligence agencies in the world tell you he had WMD, you believe them.

 

[CptStern]

After he only let the inspectors in whenever it suited him. I'm sorry, but when 3 of the 4 top intelligence agencies in the world tell you he had WMD, you believe them.

well let's see, the US and the UK got their info from this guy ..so where did the other "intelligence agencies" get their info?

funny, if they were so sure of their intel why did they have to spy on other countries in the weeks leading up to the war in iraq?

http://www.cbc.ca/stories/2004/02/26/world/un_spying040226

http://www.cbc.ca/story/world/national/2004/02/27/un_spy040227.html

 

[Brassm0nkey]

It's a shame so many let personal rivalries and irrational hatreds cloud their reason. It would be better for the nations of Earth that the US bring them under their rule by conquest than the US be toppled or lose sight of our cause.

 

[bliink]

It's a shame so many let personal rivalries and irrational hatreds cloud their reason.

You're talking about posters here? :dozey:

 

[K e r b e r o s]

Here we go ...

you did not answer my question. And what you say is true where is the UN in rwanda, they are there more than we are.

You put periods at the end of your questions -- how can we answer such?

Please stop pretending that you are on some kind of higher ground when you have, of all people, Rush Limbaugh quoted in your sig.

Hahahahahahha, like your the idol of moral high grounds ...?!

Oh, and dont be offended that I laughed at such pivotal Irony ... however, should you find yourself offended by what I think is funny, thats just to your own end -- you choose when to be, and when not to be ... so, choose not be offended.

lol, Peace, man. Peace.

yup better than saddam ..for now

Glad we see eye-for-an-eye on this topic.

like I said ..only time will tell

So, we can also expect to see an end this rant-like conspiracy theorish threads then?

funny, if they were so sure of their intel why did they have to spy on other countries in the weeks leading up to the war in iraq?

Hey, same reason French soldiers shot and killed Ivory Coast civilians ... Oil man, Oil.

Oh, your country was also apart of the sanctions against Iraq that allegedly killed millions. Their blood, is also on your hands.

Peace, Stern -- Dont get mad now, okay? Just peace. Let it relax.

 

[Absinthe]

Hahahahahahha, like your the idol of moral high grounds ...?!

When did I ever claim to be such?

Oh, and dont be offended that I laughed at such pivotal Irony ... however, should you find yourself offended by what I think is funny, thats just to your own end -- you choose when to be, and when not to be ... so, choose not be offended.

:\ You're a very strange man, Kerb.

 

[mortiz]

The funny thing is Bush wants to use the same excuse of WMD's to try and invade Iran.

 

[Bodacious]

One person in a sea of millions.

If I put a similarly ignorant rant about pro-Bushies in my sig, I'm sure I could find at least one person that backs it up.

Haha, good thing I am agnostic and that ddoesn't apply to me but ok.

 

[Bodacious]

Bodacious you attack me by name, stop.

The apologize for your remarks. Even still, just because I don't say it doesn't make it not true

The question is: what reason do we go to Iraq over the other countries that far exceed Iraq's problems.

Look at post 47 of this thread. Your answers are there.

We go to Iraq for WMD's, they have NONE. Why not go into North Korea if we are so interested in stopping WMD's. At least in North Korea they actually exist.

How many UN resolutions has NK violated? What terrorist regimes do they support?

We go to Iraq to liberate it's people from a brutal dictator, who is a tyrant to his people. Why not go to the Congo where hundreds of thousands of people are being slain for their ethnecity, a trend that is just starting to repeat itself (from the atrocities of the 90's). They have it far, far worse than (In case you didn't know, mass genocide is something the UN does NOT, I repeat not tolerate, why you continue to think that the UN doesn't acknowledge them dumbfounds me.) Iraqi's in every single aspect of their lives. They live in dire poverty, malnourished stricken with disease in a lawless country where they are murdered on a larger scale than Iraq.

Again, list the UN violations of Congo. How many WMDs do they possess or have known to posses? What terrorist regimes do they support?

We go to Iraq to stop terrorism (how many hijackers were from Iraq, none, as opposed to 13 from Saudi Arabia), yet let the situation in Afghanistan go under the radar as we silently withdraw troops and funds. WE fail to even acknowledge the hand Saudi Arabia played in terrorism.

McVeigh, was from New Youk, does that mean everyone from New York is a terrorist? You are so indoctrinated by the left it is unbelievable.

Give me your source that any troops have been secretly taken out of afghanistan.

You cannot answer these questions because there is no logical answer. We disobeyed the UN to take action against a country that, in comparison to places the UN might support our actions in, isn't all that bad off.

Yet, I answered them, amazing. I have done it twice, too.

Please, stop insulting me, saying that I prove Rush Limbaugh's quote correct. Do not judge me on these posts.

So I shouldn't make opinions of you about what you say? So far you haven't said many factual things, and have never provieded a source for anything.

I proved to you how congress voted on a resolution that included humanitarian reasons and yet you still bring up Bush's speeches and how other countries are worse off.

In other words, I gave you cold hard facts and because of your hatred for Bush you won't accept them.

You fit Limbaugh's description perfectly.

 

[Absinthe]

Haha, good thing I am agnostic and that ddoesn't apply to me but ok.

My quote is from a comedy website.

Furthermore, I don't bring it into an argument. I just find it amusing.

 

[kmack]

hahahah

I love this guy. Here is what he said on the air:



Really Rush?

http://mediamatters.org/items/itembody/200406210002

http://mediamatters.org/items/itembody/200411100008

http://mediamatters.org/items/itembody/200410120004

http://mediamatters.org/items/itembody/200406150006

http://mediamatters.org/items/itembody/200408130005

http://mediamatters.org/items/itembody/200407300001

http://mediamatters.org/items/itembody/200407200010

http://mediamatters.org/items/itembody/200409150004

http://mediamatters.org/items/itembody/200409010002

http://mediamatters.org/items/itembody/200408130006

http://mediamatters.org/items/itembody/200407150010

http://mediamatters.org/items/itembody/200407130001

http://mediamatters.org/items/itembody/200407020002

http://mediamatters.org/items/itembody/200406220005

Source for this:

http://mediamatters.org/items/200502180006

I thought the people quoting Rush in their sig might get a kick out of this.

 

[K e r b e r o s]

:\ You're a very strange man, Kerb.

I ... appreciate the fact that now im strange -- as opposed to simply being a ... "man".

http://www.****thesouth.com/

Wow. For someone who has this in their sig, how can they also claim that everyone else is doing wrong ... when this right here is promoting racial hate, and bigotry based upon where you live?

Not cool man, definately not cool.

 

[Absinthe]

Actually, ****thesouth is meant to be satire. There's an interview somewhere...

Nick: "I'm exaggerating to make a point. I'm not really talking about "The South". I'm not talking about the states, I'm not talking about the people. I'm talking about ..."
Interviewer: "The state of mind"
Nick: "Yeah right, exactly. I'm talking about this myth that the republicans have been building for the last 30 years that there's this part of the country where the real Americans live. And that the rest of us are, somehow, not real Americans, which is sort of absurd. But you know, they've just hammered it into our head so we believe it."

Nick: "...What I said in this rant is what President Bush said throughout the entire campaign. But we're so used to it, that we just don't even notice it any more. You know, President Bush, in the last debate, used "Massachusetts" and "liberal" as an insult! Try and imagine what would happen if John Kerry, you know, had gotten up and said, "well what do you expect from a guy from Texas?" The pundits would have had a field day! But since we've had this myth drilled into our head, nobody even notices any more."

Interviewer: "How do they get away with it?"
Nick: "Repetition. That's the secret to the entire thing. They have learned, that if they say things over and over and over again, that we'll believe it eventually. And they've been doing it for 30 years...and I think that's why it's so cathartic, that, you know, this is not something you're allowed to say. And frankly it's not something you "should" be allowed to say. I mean, you shouldn't be allowed to take part of the country and say, "well those people are not as good as us.""
Interviewer: "Well, you should be allowed to say whatever you want."
Nick: "Yeah, but..."
Interviewer: "...but it should be just as politically un-kosher for the rest of the country, for the South, for the Midwest, to say, "the Northeast? Forget about 'em," in the same way that, Nick, you have said that about the South."
Nick: "Exactly."