Woman shoots rare albino deer ..because it was a rare albino deer

[Absinthe]

Well, if any deer deserves to die it's an albino.

Being white is not a good survival feature for a deer.

See? It was bound to get ****ed any way.

 

[Darkside55]

Unforgivable? You seriously believe so? Hunting in the past has, I concede, led to the endangerment and extinction of certain species of animals, and were it left unchecked then yes, it could be a disaster, but I hardly think a few deer culled during the hunting season can be termed unforgivable.

I definately don't see the need for it, I don't understand the "recreation" in hunting, but I'm not going to make character judgements about people because of it.

 

[hool10]

See? It was bound to get ****ed any way.

Yeah there are a lot of predators out there. Like buckshot, arrows, and hunters camo'd all out with high powered rifles and super duper magnification scopes on the rifle! :rolling: Oh and of course umm......what eats deer naturally in the wild?

 

[Absinthe]

what eats deer naturally in the wild?

Bullets.

 

[Vegeta897]

What eats bullets?


Short Recoil.

 

[CptStern]

Wow. So you're saying she should be hit by a bus because she killed a deer. You know absolutely nothing about this woman other than she hunts, and you're suddenly qualified to make a judgement call on whether or not she deserves to live or die? Because that's what you're saying. "She's not worth the skin she's in." That's great, dude.

I agree with darkside for the most part. And Stern, definitely out of line to say she doesn't deserve to live. What are you thinking?

I refuse to believe the two of you are retarded but from your responses I can only guess that you're purposefully twisting my words because the only other explanation is one that puts you both in the sloped brow set ..please point out where I said she SHOULD die? I'd like to understand how you two jumped to that conclusion when I said nothing of the sort

 

[Vegeta897]

"who's not worth the skin she's in"

That's close enough if you ask me.

Even if you didn't mean she should die, you're still making a ridiculous judgement.

 

[CptStern]

"who's not worth the skin she's in"

That's close enough if you ask me.

explain how that means she should die?

"Even if you didn't mean she should die, you're still making a ridiculous judgement.

from what I can gather and in my opinion she is a waste of skin ..have a problem with that?

 

[Azner]

...what in the good God's name is wrong with you people? "Oh, the poor deer!" "That woman's attitude makes me seriously hate her!" "What an asshole!" "GRRRR I'M RAGING FOR NO GOOD REASON!!!"

So she shot a rare deer. Good Lord, you people act like she's a monster. You know, I've never agreed with hunting in itself; it isn't a sport, it doesn't strike me as challenging, and unless you eat it and make clothes out of it I think it's a waste. Hanging a head on your wall's pretty gaudy anyway. So I don't agree with it, but as the killing of deer doesn't really impact me or the ecosystem in any way, shape, or form, I ain't bitching about it.

But you guys, so what, the deer was rare? Oh, heavens, a deer we would've never known about had it not been shot and featured on the news, a deer we wouldn't have even CARED about and WON'T care about ten minutes from now, let's all get angry and vilify this horrible, horrible bitch.

:thumbs:

The quote of Ennui was acctually right. Everything else like poor dear and stuff is :|

Being all HUZZAH I KILLED A ALBINO DEER is like I DESTROYED THE WORLDS ONLY WAT TO CURE AIDS I R FAMOUS FOR DIONG THAT.. She thinks shes in a good position on the media.

 

[Vegeta897]

Being all HUZZAH I KILLED A ALBINO DEER is like I DESTROYED THE WORLDS ONLY WAT TO CURE AIDS I R FAMOUS FOR DIONG THAT..

No... No not at all.

 

[hool10]

The quote of Ennui was acctually right. Everything else like poor dear and stuff is :|

Being all HUZZAH I KILLED A ALBINO DEER is like I DESTROYED THE WORLDS ONLY WAT TO CURE AIDS I R FAMOUS FOR DIONG THAT.. She thinks shes in a good position on the media.

Yeah but the entire point is not that at all. It's to enjoy life and nature. Not to destroy it. Animals arn't meant to be in a zoo or on a wall. They are meant to be living doing their own stuff and letting nature take it's course. Killing an animal purely because it's rare disrupts the flow of nature. Especially when using an unfair advantage. Might as well use a silencer or something but they had to ban those.

 

[Lucid]

What's the big deal?

It's just another animal.

 

[Que-Ever]

Yeah but the entire point is not that at all. It's to enjoy life and nature. Not to destroy it. Animals arn't meant to be in a zoo or on a wall. They are meant to be living doing their own stuff and letting nature take it's course. Killing an animal purely because it's rare disrupts the flow of nature. Especially when using an unfair advantage. Might as well use a silencer or something but they had to ban those.

And eaten. Animals are meant to be eaten.

 

[Darkside55]

explain how that means she should die?

from what I can gather and in my opinion she is a waste of skin ..have a problem with that?

You've gathered one thing: she hunts. Because if you take the "rare" aspect out of it, which seems to be what everyone's clinging to, the only thing she can be said to be guilty of is hunting.

And no one's twisting your words. "She's a waste of skin," that's what you said. Saying that a human is a "waste" implies that she is wasted and has no value, thus has no right to be; implying that she should not be therefore translates into, "she should not exist." Since she already exists, but you find her a waste--and therefore think she should not exist--the only solution is for her to be what? Dead.

The quote of Ennui was acctually right. Everything else like poor dear and stuff is :|

Being all HUZZAH I KILLED A ALBINO DEER is like I DESTROYED THE WORLDS ONLY WAT TO CURE AIDS I R FAMOUS FOR DIONG THAT.. She thinks shes in a good position on the media.

...

She shot a deer, dude. It's not similar by a long shot.

Yeah but the entire point is not that at all. It's to enjoy life and nature. Not to destroy it. Animals arn't meant to be in a zoo or on a wall. They are meant to be living doing their own stuff and letting nature take it's course. Killing an animal purely because it's rare disrupts the flow of nature. Especially when using an unfair advantage. Might as well use a silencer or something but they had to ban those.

Killing one deer hardly disrupts the flow of nature. Mole hills are not mountains.

 

[Irksome]

Bullets.

and cars.

 

[Qonfused]

Snap.

 

[evil^milk]

Work them up and down your shaft. The friction and other scientific shit should remove it. Then spread your cheeks and lick your vagiga.

Video also.

Haha, wtf.

Also, I would like to grab her and similar people and hunt them.

 

[CptStern]

You've gathered one thing: she hunts. Because if you take the "rare" aspect out of it, which seems to be what everyone's clinging to, the only thing she can be said to be guilty of is hunting.

correction: trophy hunting, I would have said the same regardless if it was a non albino deer, I just wouldnt have posted a thread about it.

And no one's twisting your words. "She's a waste of skin," that's what you said. Saying that a human is a "waste" implies that she is wasted and has no value, thus has no right to be; implying that she should not be therefore translates into, "she should not exist." Since she already exists, but you find her a waste--and therefore think she should not exist--the only solution is for her to be what? Dead.

perhaps in your mind yes, but ...no ...she's a waste of skin, so are a lot of people, doesnt mean I want them dead, there's a difference, you know that but you choose to go down this avenue anyway

 

[Vegeta897]

perhaps in your mind yes, but ...no ...she's a waste of skin, so are a lot of people, doesnt mean I want them dead, there's a difference, you know that but you choose to go down this avenue anyway

In his mind? He used basic logic to relate the two. Explain what part he got wrong in his proof.

 

[Jintor]

You've gathered one thing: she hunts. Because if you take the "rare" aspect out of it, which seems to be what everyone's clinging to, the only thing she can be said to be guilty of is hunting.

And no one's twisting your words. "She's a waste of skin," that's what you said. Saying that a human is a "waste" implies that she is wasted and has no value, thus has no right to be; implying that she should not be therefore translates into, "she should not exist." Since she already exists, but you find her a waste--and therefore think she should not exist--the only solution is for her to be what? Dead.


...

She shot a deer, dude. It's not similar by a long shot.


Killing one deer hardly disrupts the flow of nature. Mole hills are not mountains.

"Ridcully did a lot for rare species. For one thing, he kept them rare."

- Lords and Ladies, Terry Pratchett.

 

[BabyHeadCrab]

correction: trophy hunting, I would have said the same regardless if it was a non albino deer, I just wouldnt have posted a thread about it.




perhaps in your mind yes, but ...no ...she's a waste of skin, so are a lot of people, doesnt mean I want them dead, there's a difference, you know that but you choose to go down this avenue anyway

Actually here in Wisconsin we rely on (ed: largely 'trophy') hunters to control the deer population. Keep in mind their natural predators are long-since gone from most U.S. areas. It can be done tastefully and honestly their is nothing ridiculously horrible about what she did - I concur with Darkside. It would be awfully presumptuous of us to assume she's some kind of big game hunter after rare thrill kills.

Trophy hunting deer and other designated species can be done tastefully and while abiding to the regular rules/regulations about safety and respect for the environment - even if some people question the ethic / logic behind it. And yes, I agree her unapologetic attitude is a bit rubbish.

 

[mastag]

Good for her.

**** Deer

 

[Azner]

Good for her.

**** Deer

I disagree.


Because Deer Taste Good

 

[Darkside55]

The fact that you have "stag" in your name makes it all the more hilarious.

 

[mastag]

The fact that you have "stag" in your name makes it all the more hilarious.

indeed...

 

[Stigmata]

The fact that you have "stag" in your name makes it all the more hilarious.

 

[Kadayi]

In his mind? He used basic logic to relate the two. Explain what part he got wrong in his proof.

Logic..I just see a tenuous sugar induced hysterical extrapolation. Seriously Stern is on the money, she is a waste of space/skin because she lacks the ability to see beyond her selfish wants, like a great many people in this world. Whether it's rare of not the deer was part of an ecosystem and taking it out of that ecosystem needlessly for personal gratification alone is deeply offensive behaviour to those of us who actually give a shit about the wider world.

 

[Darkside55]

Hey, if she didn't do it, a car would have.

Kadayi, can I ask you a question? And I don't mean it to be offensive, so don't take it that way; what have you seriously done about the "wider world?" If you actually "give a shit," I'm just curious if you've actually ever done anything to benefit the ecosystem. Because if you haven't, if you just "care" about it and do absolutely nothing, you can't really be a computer chair activist and complain that this woman is destroying our great mother earth.

Do any of you even realize how the ecosystem works? Do you read what people like babyheadcrab say about hunting to cull the population? I'm sure you'd be pissed if there was an overglut of deer hanging out on your roads.

The deer was shot during hunting season, because that's the only time you can shoot a deer. Likewise you have to have a license. So she's thinning the population as it should be thinned...and the only difference is that it was a white deer. She shot a white deer folks. It's no different from any other deer except that it's white. It's rare because it's a genetic defect. It wasn't special in any other way other than its skin tone. This wasn't Powder the Deer. And the death of this SINGLE DEER isn't going to decimate our ecosystem. Sheesh.

 

[Saltpeter]

Do any of you even realize how the ecosystem works? Do you read what people like babyheadcrab say about hunting to cull the population? I'm sure you'd be pissed if there was an overglut of deer hanging out on your roads.

Pissed? Haw haw haw!

*sounds horn*

 

[CptStern]

Hey, if she didn't do it, a car would have.

that reasoning is completely ridiculous and illogical ..why not kill all deer and spare them the indignity of being plastered all over someone's windshield? take your reasoning one step further and there is a case for complete extermination of all wildlife

Do any of you even realize how the ecosystem works? Do you read what people like babyheadcrab say about hunting to cull the population?

why do we have to cull the population? nature has it's own way of keeping the population in check ....oh wait that's right, deminishing space and the almost complete extermination of the animals that preyed on them has upset nature's balance ...so we need to keep them in check due to our meddling

The deer was shot during hunting season, because that's the only time you can shoot a deer. Likewise you have to have a license. So she's thinning the population as it should be thinned...and the only difference is that it was a white deer. She shot a white deer folks. It's no different from any other deer except that it's white. It's rare because it's a genetic defect. It wasn't special in any other way other than its skin tone.

white elephants, white tigers, white rhinos ..genetic freaks all of them and shouldnt be protected in any way shape or form ..who cares that future generations will never see these animals because they're just genetic freaks who should be mounted on a wall somewhere collecting dust just to satiate the a single person's momentary desire to own a rarity that they themselves destroyed ..you can try to inject whatever false reasoning you want into the issue Darkside but the reality is that the only reason she hunted was because it was rare

I had heard that it might be in the area, so I thought that here was my chance of a lifetime

This wasn't Powder the Deer. And the death of this SINGLE DEER isn't going to decimate our ecosystem. Sheesh.

no but it clearly illustrates how little respect for the ecosystem some people have when even a rarity is treated as a commodity: something that should be mounted and displayed for no other reason than personal avarice

 

[Darkside55]

that reasoning is completely ridiculous and illogical

Dang and I sure was counting on that statement being the pinnacle of logic on which my whole debate hinged and was not meant in jest at the slightest! You've unseated me now, good sir.

why do we have to cull the population? nature has it's own way of keeping the population in check ....oh wait that's right, deminishing space and the almost complete extermination of the animals that preyed on them has upset nature's balance ...so we need to keep them in check due to our meddling

Yep.

white elephants, white tigers, white rhinos ..genetic freaks all of them and shouldnt be protected in any way shape or form ..who cares that future generations will never see these animals because they're just genetic freaks who should be mounted on a wall somewhere collecting dust just to satiate the a single person's momentary desire to own a rarity that they themselves destroyed ..you can try to inject whatever false reasoning you want into the issue Darkside but the reality is that the only reason she hunted was because it was rare

I wasn't aware any of my reasoning up until now has been false so thank you for pointing that out to me, but let's just go with that, why don't we? She shot the thing because it's rare. I never said she didn't, and I didn't make excuses for that point. She shot the damn thing because she wanted a trophy that no one else has.

And? And what, Stern, seriously? And? What? She's a hunter. She hunts. She's thinning out the herd. If by some glorious stroke of luck (for her) she happens to come across a rare deer and its hunting season, she should pass it up because it's white? A hunter...a recreational hunter, whose sole purpose is to hunt game--and I emphasize the word because that's what it is to them, a sport--to mount trophies of their kills like fishermen mount a catch, you think she's NOT going to take that opportunity? You think ANY hunter wouldn't take that opportunity?!

Oh and also, that analogy I just made brings up another question: do you hate fishermen for catching large fish and mounting them? If you go into a seafood restaurant and see a large marlin on the wall, do you get angry about it and refuse to eat there because the person who caught it is obviously a tremendous a-hole for not catching and releasing?

Again, I will reiterate for the third time in this thread that I don't even think hunting is a proper sport, or any sort of challenge. And far be it for hunters to be out there with the mentality, "We're doing this for the good of the deer population." God no. They're out there to bag some animals. But they ARE providing a service, and yes, she killed the damn thing because she wanted a unique trophy. Human beings always want what's unique, what's rare and valuable; that's in our nature. Even you, I bet. Everyone does it. You might not be killing animals, but you certainly understand the feeling, the motivation behind it. And while you might find this woman's trophies abhorrent, that doesn't make HER a "waste of skin."

As for endangered animals, listen, white tigers? 80% of white tigers are born with birth defects because they're retarded from inbreeding. Most die when they're cubs. So they're going to die out anyway. Tigers, being my favorite animal, shit sucks but that's the way that goes. "Protecting" them actually only serves to hurt the white tiger in the long run because they're all going to end up with Down's.

White elephants are sacred to most societies that keep them, so nobody's killing any white elephants. Perhaps if you had done some research you might know that.

The white rhino isn't a genetic freak like the other two, either. It's the most common rhino in the entire world. Please visit your local zoo to learn more.

no but it clearly illustrates how little respect for the ecosystem some people have when even a rarity is treated as a commodity: something that should be mounted and displayed for no other reason than personal avarice

Once again, as I said, everyone wants to have those special things. Those treasures. The stuff you can show off and say, "Yeah, look what I've got." The stuff you can sit back and enjoy because you know it's rare and valuable. It's always been that way. No one's free from that.

It just so happens that this woman wanted a deer.

 

[lun4tic]

I have nothing to add to this conversation other than:

Doing research, brb.

 

[Darkside55]

If you go to the zoo, I want to come.

 

[Asknoone]

What's the big deal?

It's just another animal.

/Facepalm.

 

[CptStern]

Dang and I sure was counting on that statement being the pinnacle of logic on which my whole debate hinged and was not meant in jest at the slightest! You've unseated me now, good sir.

it is indicative of your overall pov, I just read between the lines

Yep.

good, so long as we understand that we're not exactly doing them a favour because we caused the problem in the first place ...right? just checking

I wasn't aware any of my reasoning up until now has been false so thank you for pointing that out to me, but let's just go with that, why don't we? She shot the thing because it's rare. I never said she didn't, and I didn't make excuses for that point. She shot the damn thing because she wanted a trophy that no one else has.

so long as it is understood that her justification was greed and not the "noble" pursuit of culling deer to save them from a horrible death

And? And what, Stern, seriously? And? What? She's a hunter. She hunts. She's thinning out the herd. If by some glorious stroke of luck (for her) she happens to come across a rare deer and its hunting season, she should pass it up because it's white? A hunter...a recreational hunter, whose sole purpose is to hunt game--and I emphasize the word because that's what it is to them, a sport--to mount trophies of their kills like fishermen mount a catch, you think she's NOT going to take that opportunity? You think ANY hunter wouldn't take that opportunity?!

what are we arguing here? that all hunters think alike? and? that somehow justifies what exactly? that she was a victem of circumstance? as a hunter she would have understood the symbolic nature of a rare animal but she chose to see it as just another aquisition like a brand new pick up or tractor ..a commodity with no more value than a poster or wall hanging

Oh and also, that analogy I just made brings up another question: do you hate fishermen for catching large fish and mounting them?

I see no difference, and hate is too strong a word, I see them more as throw backs to a time when man was too ignorant to see the bigger picture

If you go into a seafood restaurant and see a large marlin on the wall, do you get angry about it and refuse to eat there because the person who caught it is obviously a tremendous a-hole for not catching and releasing?

most often they are fake, and I wouldnt go to a seafood restuarant

Again, I will reiterate for the third time in this thread that I don't even think hunting is a proper sport, or any sort of challenge. And far be it for hunters to be out there with the mentality, "We're doing this for the good of the deer population." God no.

they are not, they are doing it for their own good. Do you really think people get into hunting because they want to do something about the overpopulation of deer? give me a break

They're out there to bag some animals.

yes

But they ARE providing a service

a service that is only made necessary due to poor urban planning and a deplorable policy of destroying entire species to save a handful of livestock

and yes, she killed the damn thing because she wanted a unique trophy.

so long as you understand it is just that: a trophy, nothing more, it's entire life is measured by how good it's head will look on a wall

Human beings always want what's unique, what's rare and valuable; that's in our nature.

who cares? how does that justify anything? I want a unique item uyou posses, does that give me the right to kill you and take it from you? if I set your house on fire because it is unique and I desire it am I justified? how does greed justify the slaughter of animals?

Even you, I bet. Everyone does it. You might not be killing animals, but you certainly understand the feeling, the motivation behind it. And while you might find this woman's trophies abhorrent, that doesn't make HER a "waste of skin."

yes it does,, imho she has zero redeeming characteristics in that sense she is a "waste of skin"

As for endangered animals, listen, white tigers? 80% of white tigers are born with birth defects because they're retarded from inbreeding.

that is not the fault of the animal ..careful now you're strolling dangerously close to the eugenics debate

Most die when they're cubs. So they're going to die out anyway.

Tigers, being my favorite animal, shit sucks but that's the way that goes. "Protecting" them actually only serves to hurt the white tiger in the long run because they're all going to end up with Down's.

ok now you're just being an idiot, downs syndrome is not caused by inbreeding, thank you for insult every single person who's ever had downs syndrome

White elephants are sacred to most societies that keep them, so nobody's killing any white elephants. Perhaps if you had done some research you might know that.

and? the only thing separating the two is pov ..the reasoing is exactly the same

The white rhino isn't a genetic freak like the other two, either. It's the most common rhino in the entire world. Please visit your local zoo to learn more.

my mistake

Once again, as I said, everyone wants to have those special things. Those treasures. The stuff you can show off and say, "Yeah, look what I've got." The stuff you can sit back and enjoy because you know it's rare and valuable. It's always been that way. No one's free from that.

and? how does simple want justify destroying a life? I want what you have should you die so that I might be satisfied?

 

[Darkside55]

so long as it is understood that her justification was greed and not the "noble" pursuit of culling deer to save them from a horrible death

...

so long as you understand it is just that: a trophy, nothing more, it's entire life is measured by how good it's head will look on a wall

I always understood that. As I said, I'm not here to make excuses for the woman, just to put it in perspective.

what are we arguing here? that all hunters think alike? and? that somehow justifies what exactly? that she was a victem of circumstance? as a hunter she would have understood the symbolic nature of a rare animal but she chose to see it as just another aquisition like a brand new pick up or tractor ..a commodity with no more value than a poster or wall hanging

Symbolic nature of the...

to mimic Samon's action, /facepalm

Are you sure you're Captain Stern and not Captain Planet? What symbolic nature does an albino deer have?! Honestly, if I weren't so flabbergasted I'd be laughing my head off right now. Symbolic...symbolic nature...oh and especially, "as a hunter she would've understood the symbolic nature of a rare animal," now that is priceless. Because I'm so sure that hunters would realize the sanctity of such an animal, and go build a totem for it. Symbolic nature of a rare animal...Jesus I can't even laugh about it it's so ridiculous.

they are not, they are doing it for their own good. Do you really think people get into hunting because they want to do something about the overpopulation of deer? give me a break

I just...I just said that...:|

a service that is only made necessary due to poor urban planning and a deplorable policy of destroying entire species to save a handful of livestock

That's humanity for you! But that's a whole 'nother argument and, believe it or not, probably a topic you and I would agree on.

who cares? how does that justify anything? I want a unique item uyou posses, does that give me the right to kill you and take it from you? if I set your house on fire because it is unique and I desire it am I justified? how does greed justify the slaughter of animals?

and? how does simple want justify destroying a life? I want what you have should you die so that I might be satisfied?

See, it's easy to create a strawman like that. "By my opponent's reasoning killing him for something rare he posseses is the same as killing an animal as a trophy." No, it isn't.

Animals vs. humans is a very large gap. That's just the way it is, that's just how it's dictated by our place as the dominant species. You can't equate killing me for something I posses to shooting an animal, it doesn't work that way.

I love animals, you know. I believe animals have thoughts and emotions just like people, but that doesn't put them on the same level as a person. Maybe that's unfair to some of the Planeteers in this thread but that's just the way it is. You shoot a deer whose biggest achievements in life would be eating some good grass and passing on its genes to the next generation, versus killing a human being? That's not an equal comparison on anyone's scale.

The problem is that the "slaughter of animals" really isn't. We're not SLAUGHTERING them. It's not a deer genocide. A deer here and there. Licensed and regulated. Yes, yes, all because of problems humans created, I agree; well, we're just chasing our own tail trying to nip the problem we ourselves made. At least we are, though. And it seems to work...I haven't hit any deer because of overpopulation so far.

 

[alehm]

She's accelerating evolution and stengthening the gene pool for deers. Albino deers are rare because they have a hard time surviving. The last thing it needs is a chance to have sex and keep those genes in the deer pool.

 

[Asknoone]

Battle of the Titans! Darkside vs Stern!

 

[CptStern]

I always understood that. As I said, I'm not here to make excuses for the woman, just to put it in perspective.

you are making excuses when you said:

Do any of you even realize how the ecosystem works? Do you read what people like babyheadcrab say about hunting to cull the population? I'm sure you'd be pissed if there was an overglut of deer hanging out on your roads.

you are pushing the idea that it is necessary at the same time suggesting that this incident is no different than part of the natural order of things ..in this respect you ARE making excuses for the woman

Symbolic nature of the...

to mimic Samon's action, /facepalm

Are you sure you're Captain Stern and not Captain Planet? What symbolic nature does an albino deer have?! Honestly, if I weren't so flabbergasted I'd be laughing my head off right now. Symbolic...symbolic nature...oh and especially, "as a hunter she would've understood the symbolic nature of a rare animal," now that is priceless.

you do this time and time again: you take a sentence, take it completely out of context and then proceed to ridicule the person on something they never said and didnt mean ..I refuse to belive you are this stupid, so the only other conclusion is that you purposefully do this to ridicule the persons point of view ...not once did I say the the symbolic nature of the albino deer, I meant the symbolic nature of somethign that is RARE not the ****ing deer, really darkside55 this sort of over dramatisation is beneath you

Because I'm so sure that hunters would realize the sanctity of such an animal, and go build a totem for it. Symbolic nature of a rare animal...Jesus I can't even laugh about it it's so ridiculous.

the only thing ridiculous is your display of mock outrage, shut up you knew I meant the rarity of it and not the deer

I just...I just said that...:|

that's the freakin point, you've only just flipflopped to that position, so dont act all indigant

See, it's easy to create a strawman like that. "By my opponent's reasoning killing him for something rare he posseses is the same as killing an animal as a trophy." No, it isn't.

only because you purposefully oversimplify everything I say..not once did I compare humans with animals I just used an example that you might understand ..I'm not comparing the two

Animals vs. humans is a very large gap. That's just the way it is, that's just how it's dictated by our place as the dominant species. You can't equate killing me for something I posses to shooting an animal, it doesn't work that way.

I love animals, you know. I believe animals have thoughts and emotions just like people, but that doesn't put them on the same level as a person. Maybe that's unfair to some of the Planeteers in this thread but that's just the way it is. You shoot a deer whose biggest achievements in life would be eating some good grass and passing on its genes to the next generation, versus killing a human being? That's not an equal comparison on anyone's scale.

see above

The problem is that the "slaughter of animals" really isn't. We're not SLAUGHTERING them. It's not a deer genocide.

yes however slaughter =/= genocide

slaughter:

1. the killing or butchering of cattle, sheep, etc., esp. for food.

it's another word for "kill" capice?

A deer here and there. Licensed and regulated. Yes, yes, all because of problems humans created, I agree; well, we're just chasing our own tail trying to nip the problem we ourselves made. At least we are, though. And it seems to work...I haven't hit any deer because of overpopulation so far.

if we chase our own tail it is because we are narrow sighted and curry favour from certain organisations so that whole industries wont be affected ..there are other far more productive means of population control but it's just that much easier to hand out licenses and have people do the work for them ..however their is no sustainability here, sooner or later over population will not be a problem because there wont be enough space to accomodate them to begin with

 

[Darkside55]

you are making excuses when you said

you are pushing the idea that it is necessary at the same time suggesting that this incident is no different than part of the natural order of things ..in this respect you ARE making excuses for the woman

Actually, if you look at the post I was replying to, I was commenting on their comment about the ecosystem, that one deer isn't breaking the ecosystem. I was not saying, "she's doing it to preserve the natural order/disrupt the nastural order." It isn't an excuse, it's a side effect--at least it would be from her point of view. The main purpose was to get a fancy trophy. I have not, since the beginning of the thread, said otherwise.

you do this time and time again: you take a sentence, take it completely out of context and then proceed to ridicule the person on something they never said and didnt mean ..I refuse to belive you are this stupid, so the only other conclusion is that you purposefully do this to ridicule the persons point of view ...not once did I say the the symbolic nature of the albino deer, I meant the symbolic nature of somethign that is RARE not the ****ing deer, really darkside55 this sort of over dramatisation is beneath you

If you don't want me to confuse your words, perhaps you should word them better. Yes, I oversimplify, because I'm looking for your core argument, what you're really trying to say. You said, in plain English, both our native language:

"...as a hunter she would have understood the symbolic nature of a rare animal..."

You did not say "the symbolic nature of something rare," you said, "rare animal." If you don't want me to read into that you should have omitted the word.

And she did recognize it as rare. So rare she just had to have the thing's head on a wooden plaque. Nothing says, "symbolic" like fine varnished oak!

that's the freakin point, you've only just flipflopped to that position, so dont act all indigant

Uh...I haven't flipflopped on anything since the start of this thread. I'm just saying that you're repeating what I was saying when you quoted me.

only because you purposefully oversimplify everything I say..not once did I compare humans with animals I just used an example that you might understand ..I'm not comparing the two

It still doesn't work. Why should it be justified, or why would anyone find it justified, to kill a human for their possessions? And if you were making no comparisons, why bring it up in the first place? Such an example serves no purpose, and whether you intended to or not, anyone who reads that--anyone--is going to assume you're trying to make the argument in comparison.

"if I set your house on fire because it is unique and I desire it am I justified? how does greed justify the slaughter of animals?"

By placing two like themes in the same sentence and drawing a parallel between them you ARE setting up a comparison. Killing of a human for gain/slaughtering an animal for gain. Ask anyone else in this thread, not just me, and they'll say, "That's what I thought you were saying also." It's not just because I simplify, it's how your arguments are structured.

yes however slaughter =/= genocide

slaughter:

1. the killing or butchering of cattle, sheep, etc., esp. for food.

it's another word for "kill" capice?

Slaughter in common vernacular means more than just one kill. It means A LOT. A slaughter, a slaughterhouse, a slaughterfest. No one would refer to the death of a single deer as a slaughter.

And if you address hunting collectively as a slaughter, well, what can I say? I can't say it isn't. I can tell you it isn't hurting their population, but I can't say they're not being killed off in significant numbers. It isn't harming the ecosystem, though.

if we chase our own tail it is because we are narrow sighted and curry favour from certain organisations so that whole industries wont be affected ..there are other far more productive means of population control but it's just that much easier to hand out licenses and have people do the work for them ..however their is no sustainability here, sooner or later over population will not be a problem because there wont be enough space to accomodate them to begin with

Exactly. No one wants to find simpler, more effective means; give a guy a rifle and a license and hell he'll do it for free!

And pretty soon all the animals will either be on farms, in zoos, or as DNA packaged in a cryogenic tube. We probably won't be alive to see that, though.