won't these global warming idiots just let it go

[jverne]

**** i hate them

At first blush, geoengineering sounds like outrageous junk science. Surely there's an easier solution to the problem of global warming than technologically altering Earth's atmosphere, its cloud formations and even outer space. But when compared with the alternative?drastically reducing the amount of carbon dioxide blanketing the planet by changing the behavior of billions of people and thousands of industries, not to mention slow-moving governments?some scientists are beginning to take the seemingly outrageous schemes a lot more seriously. Here are the mechanics behind five plans to jury-rig the Earth.

http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/earth/4290084.html?nav=rss20

if i ever see one supporter of this kind of bullshit i'm gonna punch him in the face...no seriously they piss me off so much.

they should really stop breathing our precious oxygen for making such annoyingly stupid ideas.

i especially love the iron in the sea idea...makes so much ****ing sense...JESUS (nonexistent) CHRIST

 

[theotherguy]

Geoengineering should be our last resort, if only because its outrageously expensive and prone to failure and unforeseen consequences. We should attempt to reduce carbon in the atmosphere by slowing consumption and relying on alternative fuels first, and then, if that fails, or if the danger becomes imminent, we should attempt geoengineering.

The problem with geoengineering is that it gives people a false sense of security. If we put up a solar shade, or lace the atmosphere with sulphur, or put iron into the ocean, it will merely delay the effects of global warming. Carbon dioxide will continue to build up in the atmosphere, and temperatures will continue to rise. Once the iron runs out, or once the sulphur dissipates, or once the solar shade breaks down (because of war, poverty or neglect), then all of that built up CO2 will hit us like a ton of bricks.

The only real, long-term solution to global warming is to reduce emissions as much as possible.

 

[Dynasty]

Theyre making these plans because ***k tards that dont believe in global warming arent doing anything to help out with slowing the process down, so I blame THOSE people for these ludicrous ideas.

This is the survival of the human race, our right to survive. So shut the ***k up.

 

[RakuraiTenjin]

Theyre making these plans because ***k tards that dont believe in global warming arent doing anything to help out with slowing the process down, so I blame THOSE people for these ludicrous ideas.

This is the survival of the human race, our right to survive. So shut the ***k up.

Global warming theory loses ground every day. It's not universally accepted and is far less accepted that it was even just last year. It's a natural cycle of the Earth.

 

[nurizeko]

Why...If climate change happens why cant we just accept the inevitable and let it happen?, boohoo, we move to higher ground, some wars, civilization continues and learns a hard lesson, this lolscience is just....well, lol.

 

[Azner]

Global warming theory loses ground every day. It's not universally accepted and is far less accepted that it was even just last year. It's a natural cycle of the Earth.

Then you hear the f*cking people in the tropics.
It used to be much cooler here A GENERATION AGO.

 

[Phobie]

Theyre making these plans because ***k tards that dont believe in global warming arent doing anything to help out with slowing the process down, so I blame THOSE people for these ludicrous ideas.

This is the survival of the human race, our right to survive. So shut the ***k up.

This.

 

[No Limit]

Global warming theory loses ground every day. It's not universally accepted and is far less accepted that it was even just last year. It's a natural cycle of the Earth.

Where did you obtain your degree from?

 

[theotherguy]

Global warming theory loses ground every day. It's not universally accepted and is far less accepted that it was even just last year. It's a natural cycle of the Earth.

Nonsense. Utter falsehood.

Just because you're not hearing about it in the news doesn't mean it isn't happening.

There is NO evidence that it's a "natural cycle of the Earth" and very strong evidence that it is caused by humans.

This is a graph of climatological data collected for climate forcing. Climate forcing represents the strength of each factor in contributing to the rate of change of the climate. Negative forcing means that the factor is making the climate colder, positive forcing means that it is making the climate warmer. The error bars represent the level of scientific uncertainty about each contributing factor.

If you notice, the greatest contributor to global warming is an overall increase in greenhouse gasses. Mankind is responsible for most of the increase of greenhouse gasses in the atmosphere. Therefore mankind is responsible for most of global warming.

Notice that we don't contribute the most greenhouse gasses overall, but we contribute the most new greenhouse gasses into the system, which has a very large effect on the climate overall.

 

[No Limit]

theotherguy, you must not be aware of who you are arguing with. But great effort anyway.

 

[speedbump]

Do the globalwarming-lemmings want global-freezing, or something?

We know. Capitalist dictatorships suck. That's what this all about. Most of the same people who want unlimited abortions also want to 'preserve the planet for our children'... Huh?

At least the G7/G8 protestor/anarchists don't hide behind a phoney warming-argument.

Pursue the warming-argument to its final conclusion, 'n the lemmings would be nannying us into committing mass-suicide because those zillions of tribal wood-campfires, resulting from total civilization-reversal, are 'bad for the planet'.

 

[theotherguy]

Do the globalwarming-lemmings want global-freezing, or something?

We know. Capitalist dictatorships suck. That's what this all about. Most of the same people who want unlimited abortions also want to 'preserve the planet for our children'... Huh?

At least the G7/G8 protestor/anarchists don't hide behind a phoney warming-argument.

Pursue the warming-argument to its final conclusion, 'n the lemmings would be nannying us into committing mass-suicide because those zillions of tribal wood-campfires, resulting from total civilization-reversal, are 'bad for the planet'.

You fail at rational arguments and as a human being.

 

[Eejit]

Yeah that's right speedbump, scientists don't know what the hell they're talking about when what they're saying disagrees with your political viewpoint.

 

[Baserape>]

Global warming is a cover story for the horrors that will be unleashed upon mankind when Satan and his cronies come knocking on your door. You better start praying that global warming will rape you before Satan does.

When I'm raptured I want my personal belongings donated to hl2.net. RakuraiTenjin can have my sun glass's(with pimped up rear view mirrors) and everyone else can fight for my clothes.

:angel:

 

[jverne]

Theyre making these plans because ***k tards that dont believe in global warming arent doing anything to help out with slowing the process down, so I blame THOSE people for these ludicrous ideas.

This is the survival of the human race, our right to survive. So shut the ***k up.

you obviously don't know what the **** you're talking so i suggest you shut your mouth.

theotherguy summed it up pretty nicely...(this kind of) geoengineering is like sweeping your room clean and throw all the dust under the carpet....it's outrageously stupid.

if we'd change to an alternate energy source then our problems would in the short term be solved. i'm talking about geothermal, fission, fusion (forget the stupid wind, tidal force, and to a certain extent solar)
and of course become more efficient in our daily lives.

actually it would be so easy to solve our problems if only funding would be properly distributed. for example to make a deep borehole to harness the power of geothermal energy with our current technology it costs something in the range of 10milion dollars. exxon made 14 or something billion dollars of pure profit. mccains campaign costed a few million. we somehow don't find enough money for a technology that has the potential to "solve" humanity's problems....you have to be kidding me right???
you're probably saying to yourself that there is no investment because the technology doesn't work...WRONG.

ask iceland

Over 99% of the country's electricity is produced from hydropower and geothermal energy, and the country expects to be energy-independent by 2050.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iceland#Energy

sure they have a good location for harnessing that power. but with deep enough holes anywhere is possible.

you have to ask yourself who's preventing this technology to advance....guess who?

electric cars are becoming mainstream and to charge them doesn't require a huge change in infrastructure.
the technology is here and it works...it's the dumb politicians and the powerful corporations that **** everything up.

Global warming theory loses ground every day. It's not universally accepted and is far less accepted that it was even just last year. It's a natural cycle of the Earth.

global warming deniers are almost as funny as creationists...almost...


enjoy http://www.commondreams.org/headlines05/0219-01.htm


oh and there was another article recently on digg that has new proof of man made warming...can't find it (cant bother to search all the pages), maybe if i'll get bored i will.





oh and for the record...worrying about global warming is ridiculous to a certain extent...there are so many other imminent threats that have a much more profound effect on our lives...like water and air pollution, trash, overfishing, destroying the ecology....that is what we should really worry about...not something that will affect us 5000 years from now. and besides...when we solve those more local problems then the rest will just fix itself.

 

[repiV]

In case nobody has actually been paying any attention to the weather of late, the other day was the first time it has snowed in London in October since 1934, and it was -3 in Devon where it hardly ever falls below freezing even in the depths of winter. This year we had the coldest April, wettest summer and dullest August since records began, and it was almost as shite last year too.

The earth has been getting cooler for the past ten years.

 

[Seppo]

it's coming...

 

[justin.walters01]

It's pretty interesting to hear all the views of all the different people here. I personally believe global warming is happening, but that is beside the point. Here's the point I want to make:

If global warming does exist and we put resources into stopping it, we'll all be better off.

If Global Warming Doesn't exist and we put resources into stopping it, the economy suffers a little, and we have a bunch of useless technology.(Not that any technology can really be useless.)

If Global Warming does exist and we don't put resources into stopping it, the consequences will be dire. Rising ocean levels will wipe out thousands of people in the Pacific, cause higher population densities on the continents. Thousands of species will become extinct. There will be an inability for most countries to continue growing crops like they do. Wars will result over economic conditions. Some even believe that climate change would so unsettle the Earth that it might result in an Ice Age.

I just think that doing something can't hurt and that the consequences of not doing something could be far worse.

 

[jverne]

i hate to debate global warming...but i'd just like to add...that the warming of the atmosphere isn't (IMO) the worst issue...it's the weather becoming erratic and unpredictable...this destroys crops and makes our life miserable, it causes the spread of annoying bugs and so forth.

but then again change is what we humans are good in...compared to other species...except cockroaches, bacteria, mosquitoes,...

 

[Eejit]

In case nobody has actually been paying any attention to the weather of late, the other day was the first time it has snowed in London in October since 1934, and it was -3 in Devon where it hardly ever falls below freezing even in the depths of winter. This year we had the coldest April, wettest summer and dullest August since records began, and it was almost as shite last year too.

The earth has been getting cooler for the past ten years.

You realise your first paragraph does not necessarily support your last sentence?

 

[jverne]

You realise your first paragraph does not necessarily support your last sentence?

probably sarcasm.

 

[Eejit]

Doubt it, I know repiv is a global warming skeptic.

 

[repiV]

You realise your first paragraph does not necessarily support your last sentence?

Both are, nonetheless, true. Hell, the first two results on Google...

Global cooling since 1998

Earth will not warm in next ten years

The second link is from the BBC of all places - that's a bit like the Daily Mail admitting that paedophiles may actually not be lurking on every street corner.

 

[Polaris]

"International scientific consensus agrees that increasing levels of man-made greenhouse gases are leading to global climate change. Possible consequences of climate change include rising temperatures, changing sea levels, and impacts on global weather. These changes could have serious impacts on the world's organisms and on the lives of millions of people, especially those living in areas vulnerable to extreme natural conditions such as flooding and drought."

I recommend you this Royal Society website about climate change.

Also this, Sir David Attenborough: The Truth About Climate Change

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S9ob9WdbXx0

 

[PvtRyan]

In case nobody has actually been paying any attention to the weather of late, the other day was the first time it has snowed in London in October since 1934, and it was -3 in Devon where it hardly ever falls below freezing even in the depths of winter. This year we had the coldest April, wettest summer and dullest August since records began, and it was almost as shite last year too.

The earth has been getting cooler for the past ten years.

Anecdotes: the foundation of all of modern science.

Your argument is as ignorant as the "I don't mind global warming, it would be nice if it was always a bit warmer" /facepalm argument.

Global warming != consistently higher temperatures

instead

Global warming = more extreme weather patterns

 

[repiV]

I recommend you this Royal Society website about climate change.

Also this, Sir David Attenborough: The Truth About Climate Change

There was international scientific consensus in the 1970s that we were going to suffer extreme global cooling. What's your point?

For that matter, define "international scientific consensus". If it's stated over and over and over and over and over and over and over again by the mass media, it must be true...

Anecdotes: the foundation of all of modern science.

WTF is anecdotal about reality?

Your argument is as ignorant as the "I don't mind global warming, it would be nice if it was always a bit warmer" /facepalm argument.

Global warming != consistently higher temperatures

instead

Global warming = more extreme weather patterns

Oh, how convinient - whatever happens to the weather patterns, we can call it global warming.

 

[Polaris]

There was international scientific consensus in the 1970s that we were going to suffer extreme global cooling. What's your point?

For that matter, define "international scientific consensus". If it's stated over and over and over and over and over and over and over again by the mass media, it must be true...

New data, new consensus. That's how science works.

It's not my statement, it is statement by the Royal Society, the world's leading scientific organization.

 

[Eejit]

Both are, nonetheless, true. Hell, the first two results on Google...

Global cooling since 1998

Earth will not warm in next ten years

The second link is from the BBC of all places - that's a bit like the Daily Mail admitting that paedophiles may actually not be lurking on every street corner.

That first link is horrible. Marohasy is clearly being intentionally misleading at several points, though I can see how most people wouldn't spot it.
Terribly biased questions and answers.

The second link I see no problem with, it's clear and unbiased.
They're merely saying that a natural temperature cycle has given us a temporary repreive.

WTF is anecdotal about reality?

Oh, how convinient - whatever happens to the weather patterns, we can call it global warming.

It's anecdotal because you're saying that your local weather patterns recently don't seem to fit the picture of global warming. Pretty significant difference between local weather systems and the global climate.

 

[PvtRyan]

WTF is anecdotal about reality?

All anecdotes are about reality. Doesn't mean that your personal observations about the weather hold up as scientific evidence.

Oh, how convinient - whatever happens to the weather patterns, we can call it global warming.

It is global warming, but ever considered that an average increase in temperature would have drastic effects on a complex system like the climate other than a homogeneous rise of temperature throughout the year? I'm sorry if that is a too nuanced idea for you, you want black and white right?

 

[Seppo]

In before global warming debate.






oh

snap.

 

[Emporius]

Periodic warming of the Earth is natural yes. The problem is when we accelerate that process to a speed that gives our environment and society relatively little time to adapt. The solutions or stalling methods are ruined by people who choose not to believe or say that because the basic concept is a natural phenomenon it's 'okay'. So is cancer, so we might as well stop research right now.

 

[bodhi]

staggering stupidity in this thread to be honest

weird isnt it that a lot of the people talking absolute bollocks in this thread... are (based on replies in the other threads) also voting mccain!

its like theres a correlation between people who know nothing, and people who vote for assholes. oh wait, theyre the same people!

humanity makes me cringe an overwhelming 85% of the time, i honestly think what we need is a cull of a fair portion of the worlds population based on a persons capability for rational thought.

 

[repiV]

New data, new consensus. That's how science works.

It's not my statement, it is statement by the Royal Society, the world's leading scientific organization.

Yet to challenge a consensus that doesn't actually exist makes you a "global warming denier" (oh sorry, make that "climate change denier", since it's impossible to discredit climate change as the climate is always changing). Is this about science, or faith?

That first link is horrible. Marohasy is clearly being intentionally misleading at several points, though I can see how most people wouldn't spot it.
Terribly biased questions and answers.

Yes maybe so. If you stick the same thing into Google you'll find a zillion different sources to choose from. It's worrying that this isn't common knowledge amongst the "global warming brigade", either wilful ignorance or media sweeping under the carpet. People only believe in this shit because the TV tells them so. Tell me exactly how anyone, no matter how qualified, or unbiased (unlike the IPCC), can claim that global warming is a fact or anything even approaching that when we have only had accurate records of temperature for the past 150 years, these claims are all based on predictions which are just as likely to be either false or grossly exaggerated, and it's actually colder this year than it was 150 years ago anyway?

The seceond link I see no problem with, it's clear and unbiased.
They're merely saying that a natural temperature cycle has given us a temporary repreive.

Or it could just be that the planet isn't actually getting any warmer.

It's anecdotal because you're saying that your local weather patterns recently don't seem to fit the picture of global warming. Pretty significant difference between local weather systems and the global climate.

Sustained sub-zero temperatures in autumn in a part of the country that ordinarily sees maybe two or three days of sub-zero temperature in an entire year is more than a minor discrepancy. As is record-breaking levels of cold and wet weather two years in a row, all year round. We had ice storms down the road the other day. Ice storms! As in hail over a foot deep.

All anecdotes are about reality. Doesn't mean that your personal observations about the weather hold up as scientific evidence.

What do you offer as scientific evidence? A non-existent "consensus" funded by governments with vested interests?

It is global warming, but ever considered that an average increase in temperature would have drastic effects on a complex system like the climate other than a homogeneous rise of temperature throughout the year? I'm sorry if that is a too nuanced idea for you, you want black and white right?

There hasn't been an average increase in temperature in the last decade.

Periodic warming of the Earth is natural yes. The problem is when we accelerate that process to a speed that gives our environment and society relatively little time to adapt. The solutions or stalling methods are ruined by people who choose not to believe or say that because the basic concept is a natural phenomenon it's 'okay'. So is cancer, so we might as well stop research right now.

What solutions? Nobody has any ****ing solutions, global warming is used as a convinient excuse to demonise motorists, attack business and industry, tax people to death and to support a socialist and authoritarian agenda - and the morons lap it up as "saving the planet". Today's environmentalists are yesterdays trade unionists, and they neither know nor care about the environment.

staggering stupidity in this thread to be honest

weird isnt it that a lot of the people talking absolute bollocks in this thread... are (based on replies in the other threads) also voting mccain!

its like theres a correlation between people who know nothing, and people who vote for assholes. oh wait, theyre the same people!

humanity makes me cringe an overwhelming 85% of the time, i honestly think what we need is a cull of a fair portion of the worlds population based on a persons capability for rational thought.

You can start with yourself. Pious twat.

 

[Druckles]

I wish people would stop warming the globe, too .

 

[Evo]

Check out this BBC News piece which discusses a rapid shrinking in the polar ice thickness in the winter of 2007 compared to the five years before hand.

Think about it.

 

[repiV]

With a corresponding increase in the thickness of the Antarctic ice!

Clicky

But you won't hear about that on the BBC, unsurprisingly...

As they have only been monitoring it since 1979 anyway, it's beyond absurd to draw any conclusions from the data.

 

[Cornerstone]

Yea the last place where any warming has been noticed and that the surface area of ice there is still relatively unchanged since 1979 surely proves that there isn't any global warming, while the outer portions are warming in the most extreme cold climate on Earth and water levels are rising isn't any proof at all.

 

[bodhi]

You can start with yourself. Pious twat.

i think this forum and the world would be best served by your demise rather than mine.

and since were doing the name calling thing try this one on for size... you delusional twat. :thumbs:

 

[Gray Fox]

i think this forum and the world would be best served by your demise rather than mine.

and since were doing the name calling thing try this one on for size... you delusional twat. :thumbs:

I would love to see a mod with this kind of go getter attitude.

 

[Azner]

THE HELL IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE IN COUNTRIES THAT ARE COOL AND SHIT.
IM BURNING DOWN HERE.

capcarrrr