Word has just spread that hl2 will be going to ps2...

Kinggi--I work for Konami lol.

Insecurity. I typed them all rather quickly and was actually taking a break from 12 hours of programming. I do not want any personal information--that would be rather pointless. Just the name of the school itself and professor. I am not being a big-shot. You just sound bitter to the facts I have posted, which have 100% negated what you have said regarding the "power" of the X-Box. While I am working at Konami--you can assume you know who or what I do in life...as if you are me. I find that rather sad.

Thanks--

P.S. The only thing sad is someone who believes his teacher/etc regardless to the facts that are provided. Talk about being blind...wow--you won this discussion :cheese:
 
yeah, and i work at bungie. But seriously now if you really do work at konami and you act like this- sorry but i wouldnt wanna work under the guys that hired you..

oh being you work for a corperation such as konami- giving me your name in a pm so i can look you up at the school archives to validify your status there, surely should suffice- cause once i find out you do work for konami, i will surely let the matter rest- but you know what, i find it highly unlikely you do work for konami- because a game developer respects his fellow devs- and would not consider any game, "a killer" of another- especially one on the quality of halo. Seriously saying you work for konami wasnt smart- cause your either lying, or my respect for konami has just went down a notch.
 
lol what am I acting like. I have a very nice manner about myself and my friends and I actually go out after work and hang out/get some dinner etc. Again--you keep assuming you know who I am...shame on you. I never needed to say I worked at Konami until you started assuming. We all know what type of people assumers are :cheers:.

Just let this thread go. I beat you out. Ownage...1337 haxor lol...whatever you want to call it. Stop posting and trying to retort in some formid manner. It is not working. Thanks--
 
"I beat you out. Ownage...1337 haxor lol...whatever you want to call it"

self reassurence is also an uncommon trait of game devs....

"Word of the mouth is cheap in business, especially in a competitive business such as this."

give me your credentials- i have access to a computer that can validate all the current employees of major corpaerations in the game and movie industry. Or all of a sudden you got quiet?
 
lol first of all that was a joke. Secondly--why should I give out personal information if you won't. Stop creating personal retributions based on whatever I say. Self-Reassurence By the way is a very COMMON trait of game developers...almost too common.

Word of the mouth was also based on facts of game design--not on where/how and what you do...which you want to keep personal? Are you going to start getting hypocritical on me now?

lol--keep posting...you keep posting your stupidity to everyone.

You keep posting and whenever I prove you wrong, you post AGAIN either changing the subject at hand to your[what seems like] benefit...or you try to demean the situation. I deal with people like you all the time. I call things as I see them, which hopefully assures the situation to the user.

I am most likely done with this post, unless you want to admit you were wrong?

I am not even going to bother waiting for you to reply again. You are just wasting time typing what I hope you do not think are facts.

Yikes.
 
go over to the ign boards- get your free vip account- (it lists where you work and such) yeah then i guess ill shut up- until then, your a liar.
 
I do not use the ign boards. I use the Gamefaq boards. I have a VIP account there if you would like to check it out. Look me up. By the way--I find it funny that I have to prove in some manner that I have a job. Makes me laugh at you and I am sorry that you are like that. You are the EXACT type of person I deal with almost everyday...so it does not bother me.



:cheers:
 
odd youd use the gamefaq boards... that board is overun with "people like me" the ign board is where all the other devs from bungie and such hang out- go get your free account, of coarse you would have to provide some proof as to your employement but that shouldnt be a problem right?
 
LoL SOmeone pass the popcorn this battle between Poly and King is quite entertaining! But I'd say Poly is winning so far.
 
^ you really believe this joker is a konami employee- his profile is empty- and providing proof as to his employment isnt difficult at all, just need a name and position title.

actually that can be faked too- best way is to go over to ign- and get the vip account.
 
odd youd use the gamefaq boards... that board is overun with "people like me" the ign board is where all the other devs from bungie and such hang out- go get your free account, of coarse you would have to provide some proof as to your employement but that shouldnt be a problem right?

Actually--pretty much of all of my fellow workers use Gamfaqs. I do not care where other developers go LOL. Why should I offer you anything when you will not tell me your school and professor. As I said before, Gamefaqs has VIP accounts as well...so look me up on there. I do not plan to ever use the ign boards. Ever since they forced users to pay for board use, I kind of started to hate them. Keep on thinking that you can work on the subject at hand, which is simply, that you are entirely incorrect.

You are silly :dork:
 
Kinggi, at the same time, how could I believe anything you said yourself? So far most of the stuff you claimed you could not back up, yet Poly had examples for his point, and instead of trying to prove his points on why gamecube is better wrong*, you instead quickly switched topic to validating if he works at Konami, which isnt that important at this point. Thats why I say Poly is winning so far.

Edit: wrong*
 
the board becomes free once they know you are a developer
 
Again need I point out that I never openly wanted to say where I worked. You kind of forced it out there. Then--when I openly subjected my facts against "yours" and tore you down, you had to change the subject. Now you are on this work thing--and even now you need more proof beyond a gamefaqs vip account. You need the special IGN account--which I am not going to do in your favor. I do not care if you think I work their or not. Bottom line is in the morning I go out and program for a respectable gaming company. Believe it or not...I do not care. Just stop trying ot change the subject from the thread itself. It shows your ignorance and how [dare I say it] dumb you can be.
 
God read what I said. I DON'T CARE IF ITS FREE FOR DEVELOPERS. The fact that the general public are required to pay for a FORUM is mind-boggling. Anything and everything you keep saying is not germane to our discussion.
 
And to think this all started with the notion of HL2 being ported to the PS2... what a waste of money. Playing HL2 for the PC is much better. And by the time HL2 is ever on PS2 or 3, there will be god like mods out for the PC version. And we PC users will just laugh at the console peeps.
 
well i had an old article analyzing the 3 systems- here are quotes form the article involving gc and xbox:

"In terms of raw performance, the Celeron 733 (4-way set associative L2) will outperform the PowerPC 750 running at 500MHz in any of the synthetic benchmarks we've seen. We can only assume that a 733MHz CPU with a 133MHz FSB and 8-way set associative L2 cache would only be faster than the Gekko giving the Xbox the CPU performance advantage."

"Raw GPU power and feature set does go to the NV2A core that is in the Xbox. Games such as Dead or Alive 3 are perfect examples of how easy it is for developers to write these custom pixel and vertex shader programs as well as how great the results can be. "

Source: Anandtech


well i needed some type of proof to back up my claim.
 
Originally posted by kinggi
well i had an old article analyzing the 3 systems- here are quotes form the article involving gc and xbox:

"In terms of raw performance, the Celeron 733 (4-way set associative L2) will outperform the PowerPC 750 running at 500MHz in any of the synthetic benchmarks we've seen. We can only assume that a 733MHz CPU with a 133MHz FSB and 8-way set associative L2 cache would only be faster than the Gekko giving the Xbox the CPU performance advantage."

"Raw GPU power and feature set does go to the NV2A core that is in the Xbox. Games such as Dead or Alive 3 are perfect examples of how easy it is for developers to write these custom pixel and vertex shader programs as well as how great the results can be. "

Source: Anandtech


well i needed some type of proof to back up my claim.
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Sorry, this does not proove anything.
1. It doesnt matter how fast the CPU is byitself, its the combination of all core components working together in the most efficeint way that would determine how much better a given system is to another in terms of power. Comparing only by CPU is for a lack of a better word, noobish.

2. They mention that the NV2A core has more power and a better feature set, yet once again, its a combination of things, and furthermore this statement goes on to mention that it's easyer to develope on the Xbox with DOA 3 as an example, yet who are they to make assumptions to how hard or easy it was for the actual programmers who had to write the shader code? Did they actualy knock on their doors and ask them how many hours of work it took to write them? Doubtfull, but lets give them the benifit of the doubt and say they did, this still does not prove which system is more powerful, as simplicity in developing for does not mean more power. It even says that this gives great results, but hello people, using pixel shaders is supposed to look great no matter what system its on! Thank you captain obvious!

3. It doesnt matter which console is better, the king is the PC. HL2 will get some CRAZY mods and XBox version will just be an afterthought for us hardcore PC gamers.
 
what can i say nothings gonna be good for you people- you live to aggrevate and no info from a tech site or whatnot will make a difference.
 
Im not saying which system is better, im just showing that your proof was invalid. It's not my fault you arent that good at backing up your claims. It's not anyones fault that you seem to be in denial, and have a problem accepting what is plainly obvious. Please don't be overly presumptous and make up sadistic lies about people you do not know. We do not live to aggrevate, relax and take a breath, your speaking nonsense now, get a hold of yourself. If you don't have anything nice to say, don't click 'reply'. Have a nice day.
 
The way I see it:
I don't friggin' care which one is more powerful. That's never been the point of a console for me. A console is great because I get to play on my TV and its not the gigantic pain in the butt that my computer is.
As long as there are good games out there I couldn't care less what hardware they run on. (This is actually why I have a perference for the PS2 and GCN, they have more must-have titles)
 
You do realise that the actual physical components of the Xbox are more powerful then the gamecubes.

The xbox runs at 733mhz and the gamecube runs at 485mhz, the memory bandwidth of the xbox is 6.4GBs and the gamecubes is 2.6GBs.

How do you think they made it so small!? If you don't believe me look up these specs in numerous places online.

The basic fact is, no matter what bullshit you come out with Polykarbon the xbox is still capable of graphically superior games, stay in denial if you must but the facts are there if you care to look.

For the record i own neither console so i'm not biased, but your complete fanboi tenacity just pisses me off.

edit: i wouldn't know which console is 'better' in terms of value and game quality, but i think it's the gamecube as all the games i've played for the xbox have excellent graphics but crap gameplay, apart from halo.
 
You do realize that stating core clocked "physical components" mean nothing. You are just throwing out the basic pipeline...it gos much deeper then that. I am going to pretend you did not even say that. You honestly do not want me to throw around tech talk on this forum, I will shut you down rather quickly lol. The basic "FACT" IS, is--that the Gamecube is the most powerful system with standard proof. Rogue Leader 3 IS THAT PROOF with EXTRA claim to bat. X-Box "runners" as I like to call them base everything they say on utter bs claims without facts. OMG LOOK AT TEH HALO IT IS THE MOST POWERFUL GAME AND SHOWS WHY THE X-BOX OWNZORS. Wrong...Halo looks decent...and has low polys and rather bleak textures and only runs at 30 FPS. Ohhh the power of the X-Box amazes me!! "The basic fact is, no matter what bullshit you come out with Polykarbon the xbox is still capable of graphically superior games, stay in denial if you must but the facts are there if you care to look." LOL. All of what I said was true. I am glad that in that statement you did not totally dumb yourself down. I agree with you that the X-Box is "capable" of graphically superior games...but not to the Gamecube. What you need to ask yourself, is if it would be possible for Rogue Leader 3 to be ported to the X-Box and run efficiently. The Gamecube has performed and performs better then the X-Box. Dare I ask you to show me some proof on YOUR CLAIMS. Ohh wait...you cant...I also doubt you can get some. The X-Box runs at 733 Mhz and the Gamecube at 485 mhz, do you honestly think that means anything when the "real-world" of console development. The pipeline of the Gamecube uses its own specific formulas, and the formulas are created VERY easily. *hint* theres a reason why developers love working with the Cube *hint* The pipeline allows to multi-texture passing on a single environment...which already makes up for what you deem "the factual power." For the record, I do not care which systems you own. This chat is not about that. Call me a fanboy if you want. If that makes you feel better about how sad it is that the Gamecube actually is more powerful then the X-Box, then all the power to you my friend. This discussion is not about how good the games MAY look. It is about how powerful the systems games are, and which system is the most powerful. You can doubt, but ATLEAST do it with some facts without harpering on my case about my "bullshit." You made me laugh. I hope to god that you have atleast written a couple 3-D engines before you come on here and talk to me about this. I waste my time way too much talking to "I have never worked on consoles before but I sure do know everything about them" types of people.

The quote of the day.

"You do realise that the actual physical components of the Xbox are more powerful then the gamecubes."

lol...the quote...of...the day.
 
"In terms of raw performance, the Celeron 733 (4-way set associative L2) will outperform the PowerPC 750 running at 500MHz in any of the synthetic benchmarks we've seen. We can only assume that a 733MHz CPU with a 133MHz FSB and 8-way set associative L2 cache would only be faster than the Gekko giving the Xbox the CPU performance advantage."

"Raw GPU power and feature set does go to the NV2A core that is in the Xbox. Games such as Dead or Alive 3 are perfect examples of how easy it is for developers to write these custom pixel and vertex shader programs as well as how great the results can be. "

The gamecube uses the L2 cache to use coding techniques through the FAST memory bandwidth that is constantly streamed.[which can also be written for efficient use] Custom Pixel and Vertex Shaders can be done BY the gamecube using algorithems in the pipeline...no need to write a specific routine for them. Oh yea they are also way better then the X-Box routines because they are already on-board.

Transform lighting is the Gamecubes friend...oh wait so is everything else. God Bless you Nintendo.
 
Originally posted by LoneDeranger
Poor ps2 people. When will they realize that consoles suck
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Agreed. I had a Gamecube up until about Oct. 2002, and then I traded it in for a PS2. I am so tired of Nintendo, and I used to be one of their biggest fanboys. But now I am so tired of playing rehash after rehash of Zelda, etc., even if they are good. More or less the make the same games over and over with better graphics - the GC lineup is too similar to N64 if you just look at the big titles. What happened to using imagination to create new franchises. So I did get some cool PS2 games, but after a while, I realised nothing really that good was coming out in the future - I hate Final Fantasy games, they're as repetitive and bland as Nintendo's games anymore. I just sold my PS2 on eBay, and I told myself I would never buy another console again. PC games are just more complex and in line with my style of games - those which I can really delve into and have huge replay value. I feel that PC gams innocate more than consoles anyway. HL2 will look like crap on a PS2, and I don't even think the Xbox will be able to do it justice with only 64 MB of total RAM. I know it doesn't have windows, etc., running in the background, but it still won't have quite enough oomph to do it very well especially considering its processor is barely gonna hit HL2's min. spec.
 
"HL2 will look like crap on a PS2, and I don't even think the Xbox will be able to do it justice with only 64 MB of total RAM. I know it doesn't have windows, etc., running in the background, but it still won't have quite enough oomph to do it very well especially considering its processor is barely gonna hit HL2's min. spec."

Please go back and take ALL of that out of your post. At first I thought it was a joke, then I realized you were being serious.
 
no, I'd rather myself be proven wrong when it actually comes out for those systems. I refuse to believe that HL2 will look as good on a PS2/GC/Xbox as it would on say, the following system:

P4 3Ghz
Radeon 9800
512MB of whatever ram you want

I just don't think those consoles will be able to run HL2 at full detail. It would seem to me that the RAM needed just for the high-res versions of textures would be overwhelming, but whatever...
 
Dis--do you...I mean...holy crap...

Do you realize what you just said? Computer Arc and console Arc are WAYYYY DIFFERENT. Almost to a point of complete negating in some aspects[minus coding]

That "Processing" number means nothing. Sure it looks good, but it does not tell you how powerful the X-Box is. It is the pipeline and how it runs. The X-Box will be able to run Half-Life 2 and DooM 3 while looking good/great/almost perfectly and stable.

That RAM number means nothing as well because of how everything is moved/streamed/cached/etc through the pipeline and its carrying board.. If Consoles ran like how you described them we would have some piss poor games out lol.
 
It is REALLY hard to judge pc/console ports because it all depends on the developer.

I just hope HL2 gos in the right hands.
 
http://cubemedia.ign.com/cube/image/rstrike_081103_x9.jpg

doot doo doot.

http://cubemedia.ign.com/cube/image/roguesquadron3_art_073003_05.jpg

Star Wars does not use LOD by the way. What is that you ask. Just how does Factor 5 pull of radiant self-shadowing and articular mapping on everything in the game AND over 30 MPS while maintaining a silky smooth 60 FPS performance...beats me :dozey:


Dynamic Shadowing, Normal Mapping[DOT3] and True Transform lighting. Custom Shaders for the environment. Volumetric fog with TL calculations. Blazing polygons[doubling what even nintendo said was the limit]...near endless environments that are NOT linear...and some of the best damn texture work from any game. You must love texture layering.
 
You guys underestimate the PS2. Look at Silent Hill 3, that's pretty comparable to HL2 and it's out right now. It has better character models, I'm almost sure it has better lighting, and the enemies have far more polygons and details. Now HL2 is still overall a better looking game, but they aren't leaps and bounds apart. HL2 COULD be done on the PS2, they would just have to sacrifice certain visual effects (mainly textures) and re-write a lot of the code to take advantage of the PS2's special capabilities.

If it was released on the next next gen consoles as the topic starter said, then unless they did a lot of upgrading they would be pretty ugly compared to most games on PS3. HL2 is the best of this generation, but it isn't gonna compete with the upcoming batch of consoles. To prove my point - look at HL1 on PS2. It looks like total crap compared to almost all other PS2 games, but people gawked at it when it was released on PC.
 
Polykarbon has got to be the biggest Gamecube fanboi on this forum, please learn how to use a paragraph. I would read what you post but after the first or second sentence it all becomes a blur of text.

I waste my time way too much talking to "I have never worked on consoles before but I sure do know everything about them" types of people.
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Yes thanks for classifying yourself

It is about how powerful the systems games are, and which system is the most powerful.
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Well look no father because you cannot understand that the Xbox hardware is more powerful.

The X-Box runs at 733 Mhz and the Gamecube at 485 mhz, do you honestly think that means anything when the "real-world" of console development.
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Yes it does mean something in the real world of console development, if it didnt i dont think microsoft would have went with a 733mhz processor.

*hint* theres a reason why developers love working with the Cube *hint*
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Yes they like making childrens games. Hah
 
lol OMG poly you are warped- i left this thread to let it die and i come back to find it in full bloom! OMG!!! yeah poly i really believe you work for konami now /sarcasm. Even if you are a programmer you obviously dont know as much as the devs i talk to that are game art designers- YOU TELL EM TRUEWELTELL!!! anyway im leaving once again so i can find poly with 10 more posts tommorow- wait didnt you say you were totally finished with this thread! IM confused :eek: this has actually turned out fairly entertaining. AND yes i still know xbox is more powerful than gc. (i just know he cant stand that :cool: )
 
Just noticed i didnt spell some words right, and i cant edit after 15 minutes. Oh well, if you put two and two together you can understand it :p
 
well gc games are mainly focused towards the kiddies. But there are definately more mature games like re and eternal darkness.
 
Originally posted by Direwolf
I'm sorry, but I couldn't let this go. That comment is just retarded.
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I couldnt help but notice your lack of understanding sarcasm.
 
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