world war 2 casualties

woah, 10 million military death just from soviet union alone? amazing.
 
Lies, everyone knows that the war was fought by the Americans, and the Americans alone.

-Angry Lawyer
 
Damn right. Those North Vietnamese don't have long left.
 
Angry Lawyer said:
Lies, everyone knows that the war was fought by the Americans, and the Americans alone.

-Angry Lawyer
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That's how people I know think it. :\

"You mean they lost WW2? AND VIETNAM!?"
 
Let us think why the soviet union suffered huge casulties....


Pre-civil war style tactics, lack of weapons, lack of human empathy on the leadership, ect...
 
15357 said:
Let us think why the soviet union suffered huge casulties....


Pre-civil war style tactics, lack of weapons, lack of human empathy on the leadership, ect...
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Yet they still had the power in pure numbers. Kinda terrifying.
 
I like how they count Newfoundland by itself, rather then a part of Canada :rolleyes:

I thought Canada had WAY more deaths then that, there only 46,400 deaths there! (That's adding Newfoundland to Canada..)
 
I didn't know China's was so bad. 10 million people...
 
Cave Canem said:
I like how they count Newfoundland by itself, rather then a part of Canada :rolleyes:

I thought Canada had WAY more deaths then that, there only 46,400 deaths there! (That's adding Newfoundland to Canada..)
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I believe it actually was not part of Canada at the time. It certainly wasnt during WWI anyway.
 
Angry Lawyer said:
Lies, everyone knows that the war was fought by the Americans, and the Americans alone.

-Angry Lawyer
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American Actors, actually. Everyone knows every major battle of WWII took place within 5 miles of Hollywood!
 
Everyone knows we saved your asses in WWII.

Then you guys saved ours in WWIII....
 
wow 62 million people died. thats how much people live in the UK today! :O

didnt realise that many died... :(
 
Read about the Rape of Nanking, shocking, and the Japanese deny it, or downplay it.
READ THIS
While we're so pushing Germany to apologise each year for gassing 6 million jews, build new statues each year, everybody "forgets" the Japanese killing over 10 million civilians in China, including extreme genocides like in Nanking.
Then, deny, downplay or show no remorse over it.
Where's the public remorse from Japan? Instead, they remember World War 2, but in a bit of a different way:
Like visiting shrines with class-A war criminals.
There's a severe attitude problem there..
 
And thats why Japan-Korea/China/rest of asia relations are so screwed up.
 
Angry Lawyer said:
Lies, everyone knows that the war was fought by the Americans, and the Americans alone.

-Angry Lawyer
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Well put. Damn Americans thought they were the ones that fought off the Japs invading Australia all on their lonesome...
 
15357 said:
Let us think why the soviet union suffered huge casulties....

Pre-civil war style tactics, lack of weapons, lack of human empathy on the leadership, ect...
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Plus because some of the wars bloodiest battles were though on the Eastern Front, with battles like Moscow, Kursk and of course Stalingrad. Actaully only one quarter of the German Army was stationed in Europe when the Allies attacked, of course they moved more there, but three quarters of the German Army were there fighting the Russians, and yes because of the Russians brave but stupid tactics, they lost A LOT of men. This increased dramatically when Stalin introduced the concept of 'Not One Step Back' basically meaning, if you turn and retreate you will be shot on site ;)
 
Angry Lawyer said:
Lies, everyone knows that the war was fought by the Americans, and the Americans alone.

-Angry Lawyer
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Actually if it wasn't for the RAF beating the might of the German Luffwaffe in the Battle of Britain, then the American and British armies wouldn't have had a staging area to build up up an attacking force to attack France, Italy would have been the only other option, and if the Allies weren't rampaging through France, the Germans could have concentrated most of their forces to defend Italy, which I might add was extremely hard to attack, but extremely easy to defend. The only reason the Germans got pushed out of Italy and of Europe for that matter was because they had little or no air power, and because they were simply outnumbered. Thats what you get for fighting a war on...THREE fronts? Hitler...you are personally a retard as well as a one evil and mental bastard!
 
You're either really bad at recognising sarcasm, or that was a pretty superfluous post.
 
Nope, I saw the sarcasm lol, just thought Id bring some historical facts to the post ^^
 
Shift said:
Nope, I saw the sarcasm lol, just thought Id bring some historical facts to the post ^^
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William of Normandy (French: Guillaume de Normandie; c. 1028 – September 9, 1087) ruled as the Duke of Normandy from 1035 to 1087 and as King of England from 1066 to 1087. William invaded England, won a victory at the Battle of Hastings in 1066, and suppressed subsequent English revolts in what has become known as the Norman Conquest. No authentic portrait of William has been found. He was described as a big burly man, strong in every sense of the word, balding in front, and of regal dignity.

In the present nomenclature, William was Duke of Normandy as William II and King of England as William I. He was also known as William the Conqueror (Guillaume le Conquérant) and William the Bastard (Guillaume le Bâtard).
 
Geogaddi said:
William of Normandy (French: Guillaume de Normandie; c. 1028 – September 9, 1087) ruled as the Duke of Normandy from 1035 to 1087 and as King of England from 1066 to 1087. William invaded England, won a victory at the Battle of Hastings in 1066, and suppressed subsequent English revolts in what has become known as the Norman Conquest. No authentic portrait of William has been found. He was described as a big burly man, strong in every sense of the word, balding in front, and of regal dignity.

In the present nomenclature, William was Duke of Normandy as William II and King of England as William I. He was also known as William the Conqueror (Guillaume le Conquérant) and William the Bastard (Guillaume le Bâtard).
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ok ok, historical world war 2 facts then lol
 
WOW. Poland lost more people then the united states and had 5 million civilian casualties!
 
Most of those 5 million would be Jews or citizens killed in the German attack, Russian retreat or the Russian push back to Germany
 
Yeah Poland got a lot of stick, since it was right on the Eastern Frontline for most of the war.
 
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Kinda sums it up, don't it?

It's interesting, the numbers 24% and 64% appears on both charts.
 
yeh poland had it bad. has anyone seen the film called 'the peni... *cough* pianist' ???

awesome film that is. shows what it was like. must have been terrifying :(
 
Well those graphs just some up the ferocity of the Russian Front, no wonder the Germans dreaded going to the Russian Front. You were either extremely lucky or not in battle at all to survive in those battles there...
 
15357 said:
Let us think why the soviet union suffered huge casulties....


Pre-civil war style tactics, lack of weapons, lack of human empathy on the leadership, ect...
Click to expand...

It is rare that I should make a statement of which is on a more personal scale, but sooner or later a point is reached where one begins to lack patience. While it is obvious that you took very little time or thought to throw together what we see now, I will not be so careless.
It is accepted by a few philosophers that stealing is a crime that is much greater than murder, because stealing encompasses that of stealing life, truth and love. It might be common to post with little or no care for any impression you make, but the majority shouldn't affect us in such global fashion and you are still stealing by making such a vague statement.

First of all, I should ask if you even took a look at Germany's war doctrine and USSR's? To wash up your first point I would like to point out that USSR's squad formations were that of which are used today: fire teams. Instead of a leading MG like in the German army the Russian army had a squad leader and LMGs to either side of him leading a pair of "Strelkov". If this tactic sounds pre-civil war style to you, I guess most countries are still pretty shallow on tactics, eh? Another part of the doctrine you most probably missed is that Germany did not attack with superior weaponry or tactics, rather superior veracity (Blitzkrieg). This was perhaps what won them the battle of France where the Panzer III was not superior to its French counter-part and in many ways France was superior by number and weapon.

A point mentioned not relating to your un-descriptive post is the idea of "Not one step back", the reasoning for this wasn't because Stalin was a big baddie like it is commonly advertised, but because there wasn't anywhere further to retreat to from Stalingrad (Syberia wasn't an option, because without infrastructure the USSR would fall.) ;therefore, a policy was put in to make sure the Soviets won. Another point for active assault was the fact that if the Soviet forces did not actively fight and liberate ,even more people would die of starvation in Leningrad. I cannot but muse the question: Do you take the victors as fools? Perhaps you are hoping for some personal success based on this module?

Second is of course, the lack of weapons. This is an amusing point mostly because it is only found in -Democratic- literature. I am sure that you as before have not looked at the statistics either. From what little is understood of the quick advance into Russia, the trouble wasn't a lack of weaponry, but rather a lack of produced modern weaponry because at the time there was an ongoing modernization of the army. Weapons on land were in no shape or form suffering , because Germany had not even bothered to revise their tactic for the more open areas of Russia. For example, the anti-tank rifle which was believed to be an old and inferior weapon was commonly sought after by Germans because of its range, a factor the panzerfaust lacked. In this section id like to simply say that the lack of weaponry, was too short of a period to give Germany the upper hand. By late 1942 most German weaponry was hopelessly outclassed in number and fire power which partially explains why the last advance was in 1942. A few examples would be: The t-34 which created the idea of a main battle tank capable of both dealing with infantry and armor (A quality other allied tanks severely lacked), the Yak series which were eventually considered second to no other fighter , Pe-2 which was designed in 4 days to become a very common dive bomber, the PPSH-42 (and later the PPS-43) which had double the effective distance of the MP-40. It's enough to say that most types of -best- weaponry in WW2 are credited to Russia.

The last point is that of which I would expect someone of zeal to throw at me in the middle of a hopeless argument. If you did not know, it has been always common practice to shoot deserters on the spot or in front of their comrades to make sure it does not happen again. While you can speak from a civilian point of view, I think you should at first take in what a soldier is and what a soldier does. It is perhaps best told in "The Moon is Down" where a young lieutenant is told of his status as a resource and that ultimately his pursuing personal interests (Along with all young men) will make the army fall apart and lose. The strongest point of the Soviet army was complete trust in the commanding officer and an ability to be competent. Whether or not this was efficient is a talk for beggars, after all, who won?To finish off this section I would wish to offer this question: Is the leader supposed to baby his congregation with lies and pats when they see bloodshed daily or should he harden their soul to the truth? I am sure you will say the latter, but deeply you are a coward who would never stand for it.

I would like to offer you that Germany by the end of its war campaign would have to recruit women and boys to its army. 4-7 million would not be enough dead men to make this tactic valid. Most Russian research and common sense agrees with the fact that Nazis were most interested in massive slaughter (As mostly any nation does) to demoralize its enemy, civilians would be a simple target, this tactic instead enraged the Russian army; therefore, it is obvious that civilians were priority targets and it was not the German firepower that created casualties , rather the lowly tactics they used. You might like to believe that Russians killed and raped civilians but in Germany, in many places, stand monuments to the merciful Russian soldier carrying a little German girl out of harms way. The Russian doctrine assigned a death penalty on the spot for rape and murder of civilians. It was the other allies that gave many people the perception of barbarians bombing out cities and then terrorizing the populace. To support this I would like to offer that America's part of Berlin had to mostly be fully rebuilt due to being burned out completely.

I would only wonder what kind of a cretin says the things commonly said, do they wish that USSR would have fallen or do they wish to spite the victors? At the time of final victory the USSR had more men and military equipment than the whole world combined, if it wanted to, it could crush America and Britain quite easily. As much as people would like to believe it, an atom bomb against Moscow would have no chance of ever reaching its target due to complete air superiority on the Russian side.

On a personal note I would like to say that your general pessimistic outlook on how to improve society through tweaking/complaining is quite pathetic. In the said case we have a victor and yet you continuously choose to instead seek what went wrong instead of what went right, and that by itself is coloring yourself as someone who aims to be better through belittlement rather than enlightenment. I would like to say that while my roots are what initiated this prolonged attack it would be rather honorless for anyone to shoot at me for that. Others might wish to water the roots of other people who they perceive as victims and let themselves become a parasite host, I on the other hand wish to water my own roots because it is what created me, not someone else's. Those who wish to change this simple fact are optimistic at the wrong moment and are quite hopeless , most likely your hunt for the truth is also hopeless, because you posted in a thread not out of being helpful but out of interests of common opinion.

Finally, I would wish to acquire some humility for my own people and say that I did not intercept your statement out of any good feeling of respect for you or your attached opinion, but rather to somewhat orchestrate understanding of how crass and morally detached your disrespect for the capabilities of the Soviet people truly are. I figure that the first seeds of respect can only be planted through edification, kicking heroics in the groin does not make you a heroic asshole, simply a waste of matter. I hope that you some day divert your study of failure to a more meritorious study of success, so far, you have failed.
 
CookieCuttah said:
It is rare that I should make a statement of which is on a more personal scale, but sooner or later a point is reached where one begins to lack patience. While it is obvious that you took very little time or thought to throw together what we see now, I will not be so careless.
It is accepted by a few philosophers that stealing is a crime that is much greater than murder, because stealing encompasses that of stealing life, truth and love. It might be common to post with little or no care for any impression you make, but the majority shouldn't affect us in such global fashion and you are still stealing by making such a vague statement.

First of all, I should ask if you even took a look at Germany's war doctrine and USSR's? To wash up your first point I would like to point out that USSR's squad formations were that of which are used today: fire teams. Instead of a leading MG like in the German army the Russian army had a squad leader and LMGs to either side of him leading a pair of "Strelkov". If this tactic sounds pre-civil war style to you, I guess most countries are still pretty shallow on tactics, eh? Another part of the doctrine you most probably missed is that Germany did not attack with superior weaponry or tactics, rather superior veracity (Blitzkrieg). This was perhaps what won them the battle of France where the Panzer III was not superior to its French counter-part and in many ways France was superior by number and weapon.

A point mentioned not relating to your un-descriptive post is the idea of "Not one step back", the reasoning for this wasn't because Stalin was a big baddie like it is commonly advertised, but because there wasn't anywhere further to retreat to from Stalingrad (Syberia wasn't an option, because without infrastructure the USSR would fall.) ;therefore, a policy was put in to make sure the Soviets won. Another point for active assault was the fact that if the Soviet forces did no actively fight and liberate ,even more people would die of starvation in Leningrad. I cannot but muse the question: Do you take the victors as fools? Perhaps you are hoping for some personal success based on this module?

Second is of course, the lack of weapons. This is an amusing point mostly because it is only found in -Democratic- literature. I am sure that you as before have not looked at the statistics either. From what little is understood of the quick advance into Russia, the trouble wasn't a lack of weaponry, but rather a lack of produced modern weaponry because at the time there was an ongoing modernization of the army. Weapons on land were in no shape or form suffering , because Germany had not even bothered to revise their tactic for the more open areas of Russia. For example, the anti-tank rifle which was believed to be an old and inferior weapon was commonly sought after by Germans because of its range, a factor the panzerfaust lacked. In this section id like to simply say that the lack of weaponry, was too short of a period to give Germany the upper hand. By late 1942 most German weaponry was hopelessly outclassed in number and fire power which partially explains why the last advance was in 1942. A few examples would be: The t-34 which created the idea of a main battle tank capable of both dealing with infantry and armor (A quality other allied tanks severely lacked), the Yak series which were eventually considered second to no other fighter , Pe-2 which was designed in 4 days to become a very common dive bomber, the PPSH-42 (and later the PPS-43) which had double the effective distance of the MP-40. It's enough to say that most types of -best- weaponry in WW2 are credited to Russia.

The last point is that of which I would expect someone of zeal to throw at me in the middle of a hopeless argument. If you did not know, it has been always common practice to shoot deserters on the spot or in front of their comrades to make sure it does not happen again. While you can speak from a civilian point of view, I think you should at first take in what a soldier is and what a soldier does. It is perhaps best told in "The Moon is Down" where a young lieutenant is told of his status as a resource and that ultimately his pursuing personal interests (Along with all young men) will make the army fall apart and lose. The strongest point of the Soviet army was complete trust in the commanding officer and an ability to be competent. Whether or not this was efficient is a talk for beggars, after all, who won?To finish off this section I would wish to offer this question: Is the leader supposed to baby his congregation with lies and pats when they see bloodshed daily or should he harden their soul to the truth? I am sure you will say the latter, but deeply you are a coward who would never stand for it.

I would like to offer you that Germany by the end of its war campaign would have to recruit women and boys to its army. 4-7 million would not be enough dead men to make this tactic valid. Most Russian research and common sense agrees with the fact that Nazis were most interested in massive slaughter (As mostly any nation does) to demoralize its enemy, civilians would be a simple target, this tactic instead enraged the Russian army; therefore, it is obvious that civilians were priority targets and it was not the German firepower that created casualties , rather the lowly tactics they used. You might like to believe that Russians killed and raped civilians but in Germany, in many places, stand monuments to the merciful Russian soldier carrying a little German girl out of harms way. The Russian doctrine assigned a death penalty on the spot for rape and murder of civilians. It was the other allies that gave many people the perception of barbarians bombing out cities and then terrorizing the populace. To support this I would like to offer that America's part of Berlin had to mostly be fully rebuilt due to being burned out completely.

I would only wonder what kind of a cretin says the things commonly said, do they wish that USSR would have fallen or do they wish to spite the victors? At the time of final victory the USSR had more men and military equipment than the whole world combined, if it wanted to, it could crush America and Britain quite easily. As much as people would like to believe it, an atom bomb against Moscow would have no chance of ever reaching its target due to complete air superiority on the Russian side.

On a personal note I would like to say that your general pessimistic outlook on how to improve society through tweaking/complaining is quite pathetic. In the said case we have a victor and yet you continuously choose to instead seek what went wrong instead of what went right, and that by itself is coloring yourself as someone who aims to be better through belittlement rather than enlightenment. I would like to say that while my roots are what initiated this prolonged attack it would be rather honorless for anyone to shoot at me for that. Others might wish to water the roots of other people who they perceive as victims and let themselves become a parasite host, I on the other hand wish to water my own roots because it is what created me, not someone else's. Those who wish to change this simple fact are optimistic at the wrong moment and are quite hopeless , most likely your hunt for the truth is also hopeless, because you posted in a thread not out of being helpful but out of interests of common opinion.

Finally, I would wish to acquire some humility for my own people and say that I did not intercept your statement out of any good feeling of respect for you or your attached opinion, but rather to somewhat orchestrate understanding of how crass and morally detached your disrespect for the capabilities of the Soviet people truly are. I figure that the first seeds of respect can only be planted through edification, kicking heroics in the groin does not make you a heroic asshole, simply a waste of matter. I hope that you some day divert your study of failure to a more meritorious study of success, so far, you have failed.
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First of, if you actually typed all that out for the sake of a forum topic hten thats just....strange. Second of all, I didn't even bother, and no one else will even bother to read it. So third of all, if you did type all that out then you have wasted your time ;)
 
Holy fucking shit, that's a big post. Good one, though :p

Shift said:
First of, if you actually typed all that out for the sake of a forum topic hten thats just....strange. Second of all, I didn't even bother, and no one else will even bother to read it. So third of all, if you did type all that out then you have wasted your time ;)
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Stop trolling.
 
Yeah i read it all too, nice and illuminating :)
 
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