Worlds first fueless magnetic motor ready for sale.

[clarky003]

http://www.perendev-power.com/home.htm - all you need to know

http://www.perendev-power.com/news.htm - release news

the updated news page tells all, in a short time company's, home owners, any free person will beable to purchase the worlds first commercially available magnetic motor,

Yes the laws of thermodynamics need to be re-addressed as being a little off. but if youve got the Mullar, with the coming energy crisis, supposedly just on the horizon. It may be worth it, it would mean powering your house wouldnt depend on your powerstation anymore, fully independant electricity... um... its about time,

hybrid idea's can be drawn on the design,

eg: placing the motor in a vaccum casing on a magnetic bearing, = less friciton , more torque,. Has excellent application for fueless veichles,

How does it work?
"Omg! you cant break my law of thermodynamics man!"

technically the law isnt broken, its misunderstood...
stating 'that you cant get something from nothing'
here you are getting something from something, with modern shielding materials, and powerful Neodymium magnets, they are able to use the repulsion force from surrounding magnets to drive a central rotor, all the magnets are offset in their position to induce the motion.

http://www.perendev-power.com/mm_howitworks.htm

Why does it work?

why does electricity work?... why does electrical energy move around a magnet in the way it does..? :x why do we have to understand something before we accept it..? the answer... we dont understand anyway, we never did.

the effects are known , the answers to the effects are not.

All that can be pointed out is the unique way the magnets are shielded, not fully known, they use the shielding to stop unwanted magnetic flux leakage that causes the neutralising affect, which would otherwise stop the rotor from turning.




Not wanting to affect the status Quo, (scientist's get miffed when that happens)

rocks the boat<

 

[Brian Damage]

Oh, man. The things I could do with a 4MW generator in my basement...

Erm... if I actually had a basement.

I'm still gonna try and build a little one of these. Right after I've finished my crossbow.

 

[Gray Fox]

Is this one also camera shy, cause I mean an engine that even the magnetic fields of cameras disturbe is not something very usefull now is it.

 

[clarky003]

you really havnt checked the links very well have you Fox.

 

[Brian Damage]

Hey, clarky, how big is the 20KW model?

 

[clarky003]

gah, dont know, but it looks to be about 1x1 meter. making sure itll fit in your house?

 

[PvtRyan]

This may sound stupid: but has it actually been tested? And by an independant agency? It shouldn't be hard to verify the legitimacy of this, and certainly with something as important as almost free electricity, you would think this concept would have been tested by an army of scientists.

 

[Tr0n]

The question is: Whats the pricing on all those models?

 

[Sprafa]

When I see a video of a 12-year old kid doing it, I'll think about it

 

[clarky003]

im sure its been tested.. how can they release it otherwise, anyway we know how efficient the Germans are , they have their mits on the production proccess. they build great things. Its hardly gonna be something that lasts a day.. if its solid one motor could last upto 50 , or 100 years, maybe longer depending on the materials , construction, and the way the magnets are kept.

 

[Brian Damage]

Not my house, exactly, clarky...

 

[Tr0n]

Whats the pricing damn't?!?!?!

 

[Maxi]

I don't really belive it... you would have heard of this somewhere else...

 

[FoB_Ed]

sweet!

I've always wondered when something like this would be created. Ever since there was an article in the local newspaper about Mag-lev trains i've thought about the possibilities of magnets

 

[Tr0n]

Well...the pricing?

 

[Sprafa]

it's probably 5 000 000$

free energy for the World..after you pay!

 

[Tr0n]

$5 mill!

**** that. :|

 

[Reaktor4]

$10000 apparently
anyway... http://www.theverylastpageoftheinternet.com/menu/scams/perendev.htm

 

[Tr0n]

10 grand! :|

I can buy me a damn car for that much.

 

[Sprafa]

and it shows that Perendev might be a scammer (as I've initially thought)

 

[Parrot of doom]

Its on the internet so it must be true!

 

[Farrowlesparrow]

10 grand! :|

I can buy me a damn car for that much.

Well if it worked, then surely it would be a far better investment than a car. Cars cost a lot of money to run beyond the initial payment. If something like this power generator were to function, then it'd save you money.

 

[Stigmata]

10 grand! :|

I can buy me a damn car for that much.

Or, you could buy the motor and build a car around it. Free fuel!

And I hope that "Perendev is a scammer!" article is fake. Free energy would do the world good.

 

[Tr0n]

Well if it worked, then surely it would be a far better investment than a car. Cars cost a lot of money to run beyond the initial payment. If something like this power generator were to function, then it'd save you money.

Well IF is the key word here.

We won't know till some scientist get to look at the thing.If it is true...I know i'm gonna be saving up to buy one.

 

[Death.Trap]

I really want to belive this, becausee it's just so damn cool. But why havn't any of the major news organizations run a story on it...it's a pretty big deal.

 

[Tr0n]

I really want to belive this, becausee it's just so damn cool. But why havn't any of the major news organizations run a story on it...it's a pretty big deal.

*turns on conspiracy mode*

Well since big time oil companies control lots of things (aka: the rich, GW Bush, Cheney)...one of the things they can and possibly do control is the media.

 

[Death.Trap]

Yeah, theres a chance of that. Any germans on the forums? Seen this on the news over there?

 

[Gray Fox]

Okey for once I aknowledge this might be true, still don't believe it but it might be true http://www.perendev-power.com/mm_exclusiveclip.htm

 

[the_lone_wolf]

hahahahahaha, i love the little graphic on "how it works" and the "exclusive clip" - sorry but the international militaries would be all over this if it were for real, i'd rate it about a 9.0 on my bullshit-o-metre.

BTW i'm in the final year of a physics degree, and magnets are fascinating, but you cannot break the laws of physics.

 

[gcomeau]

Yes the laws of thermodynamics need to be re-addressed as being a little off.

I'll have to find the time later to read over the material at the site... but if that statement is coming from the company as some kind of claim that their motor is capable fo defying the laws of thermodynamics I'm going to call 'bullshit' right now.

 

[Death.Trap]

You guys forget we don't know all the laws of thermodynamics, nor the exceptions to those laws.

 

[Farrowlesparrow]

hahahahahaha, i love the little graphic on "how it works" and the "exclusive clip" - sorry but the international militaries would be all over this if it were for real, i'd rate it about a 9.0 on my bullshit-o-metre.

BTW i'm in the final year of a physics degree, and magnets are fascinating, but you cannot break the laws of physics.

Well to be fair to the other side...Our ideas of how the universe works, get changed rather frequently. For all you know, 2 years after you finish your degree...half the stuff you went through could suddenly be proven to be wrong.

 

[gcomeau]

You guys forget we don't know all the laws of thermodynamics, nor the exceptions to those laws.

Sorry guy, but there is a long and rich history of people claiming that their wonder machine manages to outwit the LoTs and I really doubt that this time they've actually managed it seeing as it's never panned out before.

Ever.

But hey, it would be a pleasant surprise to be proven wrong.

 

[clarky003]

Wtf is with all the responses saying its breaking the laws of thermodynamics,, are you lot dumb?.. i certainly hope not. I even stated it doesnt break them, obviously it cant, laws arnt meant to be broken .

you just have to wrap your brains around the broadend concept of how it can work within the laws. and stop being text book stiffs.. following the status quo never got us anywhere, as history dictates.

its simple, the German investors feel that the product is valid and marketable, otherwise they wouldnt of signed up with them for production, that letter posted looks like a cheap shot at the validity of the company and its claims, and its far less complex than you can imagine..

if anyone really knows about shielding , and magnetic flux control here then they should be intelligent enough to see the working methods so you can configure something like this. Need to remind the status Quo that Physics is an expanding subject, Einsteins laws are, Science is, human knowledge is, its foolish to dismiss.

 

[Immortal]

Wtf is with all the responses saying its breaking the laws of thermodynamics,, are you lot dumb?.. i certainly hope not. I even stated it doesnt break them, obviously it cant, laws arnt meant to be broken .

you just have to wrap your brains around the broadend concept of how it can work within the laws. and stop being text book stiffs.. following the status quo never got us anywhere, as history dictates.

its simple, the German investors feel that the product is valid and marketable, otherwise they wouldnt of signed up with them for production, that letter posted looks like a cheap shot at the validity of the company and its claims, and its far less complex than you can imagine..

if anyone really knows about shielding , and magnetic flux control here then they should be intelligent enough to see the working methods so you can configure something like this. Need to remind the status Quo that Physics is an expanding subject, Einsteins laws are, Science is, human knowledge is, its foolish to dismiss.

Well said

 

[gcomeau]

Wtf is with all the responses saying its breaking the laws of thermodynamics,, are you lot dumb?..

Well, this part from your original post might have something to do with it:

Yes the laws of thermodynamics need to be re-addressed as being a little off.

I take that to mean the machine defies them as they stand now... thus requiring them to be adjusted. Was there an alternate meaning to that sentence?

i certainly hope not. I even stated it doesnt break them,

Yes, you said they were "misunderstood"... but you also said, as pointed out above, that they required "re-addressing" because they were "a little off".

As I said, I haven't had a chance to look over the material on the site yet, but that statement had my scepticism meter jumping up into the red.

 

[verbose_mode]

Before I get into the topic of this thread, I would like to ask one question to those on both sides of this topic: would anything change your position on whether or not these Perendev Power magnetic motors work? What, if anything, would change your opinion?

I'd just like to know beforehand if this thread is going to turn into a rhetoric mud-slinging contest or if there will be some actual exchange of facts, information, thoughts, etc. without degenerating into a flame war.

 

[clarky003]

re-addressed yes , , should of made it a bit clearer, .. i said "a little off" as a reference to the people trying to understand. some people get confused and think that magnetic force isnt a valid source of power... it isnt, but it is when you divert interaction of the neutralising force to nulify it.. so im sorry if i didnt put that in the right context, my bad.

meanining the laws application to the device needs to be understood by those who think its getting something from nothing, whereas infact its using a controlled natural born force to create its momentum.

 

[Dan]

it's obviously fake. Aside from the fact that perpetual motion machines involving magnets have been attempted for centuries and simply don't work. Just look at how hard they are trying to sell it to average people. If it actually did work, they wouldn't be trying so hard to convince you and me that they work. They would sell it to a much larger and richer market, aka industry.

 

[clarky003]

would they..? and then let industry use them, and never tell the public about it, so they can keep exploiting us with their increasing oil prices, wait, yeh thats what they would want.. so logically that wouldnt be a good move if you actually wanted to create a better world for people, more energy abundant. There are those that will try their efforts to help, and then those who exploit, who are you going to trust if its real, the already corrupt extorsionate prices of oil company's, or the clean new energy movement, that wants to eleivitate social exploitation, and raise standard of living and self dependance.