Would you believe in God if you were about to die?

[Last One In]

I know it is hard to put yourself in this hypothetical situation, but do you think that you would believe in God if you found out you were going to die soon? Seeing as how I already believe in God, I bet I would believe before I died.

 

[15357]

WRONG ****ING FORUM!

I have no idea. I just watched Cube Zero and now I'm scared about not believing in god. :E

 

[kirovman]

I'm looking forward to this game.

The previews look f**king awesome.

 

[15357]

.....

What?

 

[CptStern]

no ....

 

[15357]

The demo was bad. Worse than the starship troopers deo.

 

[Dr. Freeman]

no ....

then you shall have a beer with Satan and then burn in hell!! :flame: [/sarcasm]

 

[kirovman]

The demo was bad. Worse than the starship troopers deo.

STFU. That was the illegal beta release you were playing.

This game looks awesome, I won't have a word said against it. It combines a unique new category of gaming with very advanced innovation techniques.

 

[Steven]

I know it is hard to put yourself in this hypothetical situation, but do you think that you would believe in God if you found out you were going to die soon? Seeing as how I already believe in God, I bet I would believe before I died.

You asshole!

 

[15357]

STFU. That was the illegal beta release you were playing.

This game looks awesome, I won't have a word said against it. It combines a unique new category of gaming with very advanced innovation techniques.

Well, its very 'original'.

But the first 30 minutes were boring and repetitive as hell. ****ing Angels.

 

[KagePrototype]

Moved.

Stop spamming.

 

[CptStern]

then you shall have a beer with Satan and then burn in hell!! :flame: [/sarcasm]

yes and I'm sure you'll be there right next to me ..only flanderesssess go to heaven and certainly not gamers who like devil worshipping NiN


on topic ..more than a few people I've met over the years who've found god after they had a near death expierence did so out of fear, or so they told me

 

[Raziaar]

Stern would prefer to rot in the ground for eternity compared to a blissful alternative?

 

[CptStern]

no I prefer to not waste my time with fanciful ideas that have 0 chance of coming true

 

[Reaktor4]

no ▒

 

[OCybrManO]

If there's some sort of all-knowing being... he would know if I was faking belief out of fear. So, I figure it's best to just be myself...

 

[Raziaar]

no I prefer to not waste my time with fanciful ideas that have 0 chance of coming true

Well... If bones didn't fossilize as they do, and the existance of dinosaurs was never proven from these sources... would you think it out of the question that they could have been around in existance at one point in time?

Bad analogy, but still.

 

[CptStern]

well without fossils we wouldnt have evidence so no I wouldnt believe it

 

[Raziaar]

well without fossils we wouldnt have evidence so no I wouldnt believe it

But the fact would have been... you would have ridiculed these people who believed in such fantastical lizard like creatures, which you don't think could have possibily existed. However, in actuality they did actually exist.

You know... you can leave people to their fantasies and beliefs without feeling the need or desire to ridicule them and what they believe it.

 

[Nat Turner]

No. Real men go to Hell.

 

[CptStern]

But the fact would have been... you would have ridiculed these people who believed in such fantastical lizard like creatures, which you don't think could have possibily existed. However, in actuality they did actually exist.

You know... you can leave people to their fantasies and beliefs without feeling the need or desire to ridicule them and what they believe it.

yes but without proof they're just loons who believe in big freakin lizards ...kinda like Ufologists ..I mean I know there are aliens but I dont exactly believe their little alien abduction stories or that they've visited Elvis and that he's not dead but rather in alpha centuri drining a margarita with a green alien with 3 boobs. Without proof they're just blowing a lot of hot air not really accomplishing anything except probably alienating themselves from society ...hey! kinda like the christians

oh and I'm not rediculing them ..I'm just joking around to lighten the mood



btw you'll love this one ..had a discussion the other day with a staunch catholic here at work ..we got into the whole gay marriage thing and I couldnt believe how unchristian he acted when discussing "those" people

 

[Raziaar]

btw you'll love this one ..had a discussion the other day with a staunch catholic here at work ..we got into the whole gay marriage thing and I couldnt believe how unchristian he acted when discussing "those" people

Catholics aren't christian, not in my opinion. Lots of differences. I'd never want to go to a catholic school. ;(

I mean. they believe many of the same things... but there's just sooo many differences. I think Catholic schools are oppressive.

 

[CptStern]

huh? I went to catholic school I can attest we werent anywhere near as strict in our courses as christians are ..for one thing they taught evolution, didnt call gays sinners and only occasionally talked about pro-life issues etc

interesting story ..my grade 11 english teacher was a priest ..in the beginning of the year he layed down the rules ..one was:

"I dont want to hear the word "suck", I may be 72 but I know it means cocksucker"


my grade 13 english teacher, also a priest told us to be gentlemen and wear protection if we're going to get intimate with a girl on prom night


even though it is a stereotype the majority of christians I've met are very much like Ned Flanders

 

[Raziaar]

Catholics don't call gays sinners? You're actually being serious? Doesn't matter what denomination you see(I don't believe in denominations)... bible worshippers in general consider homosexuality a sin.

 

[MiccyNarc]

There are alot of Bible belt Christians who are idiots and blindly follow their pastor's teaching and have never heard of "Hate the sin, love the sinner".

 

[CptStern]

sure they do, didnt I mention above that the catholic guy at work was critical of "those" people? ...but we dont take it nowhere as seriously as christians do ..in fact out of hundreds of catholics I know I cant think of one who believes in the creation myth ...not one


catholisicm had Mother theresa

christianity has Pat Roberts

catholisicm had Thomas Aquinas

christianity has Ann Coulter

 

[Raziaar]

sure they do, didnt I mention above that the catholic guy at work was critical of "those" people? ...but we dont take it nowhere as seriously as you do ..in fact out of hundreds of catholics I know I cant think of one who believes in the creation myth ...not one

Lotta christians believe in evolution too, my friend.

Lets just agree that broad generalization doesn't work anywhere, for the most part. Generalizing sects of a religion is just as invalid as generalization the entire religion or religion itself.

 

[MiccyNarc]

sure they do, didnt I mention above that the catholic guy at work was critical of "those" people? ...but we dont take it nowhere as seriously as you do ..in fact out of hundreds of catholics I know I cant think of one who believes in the creation myth ...not one

Personally, I don't think it matters
It doesn't matter how we got here, all that matters is that we did, and we need to make the best of it.

catholisicm had Mother theresa

christianity has Pat Roberts

catholisicm had Thomas Aquinas

christianity has Ann Coulter

Oh yes, let's compare the best with the worst!
I'll follow your logic:
FPS genre has Half Life 2
Racing genre has Big Rigs
Therefore, racing genre sucks!

 

[CptStern]

Lotta christians believe in evolution too, my friend.

Lets just agree that broad generalization doesn't work anywhere, for the most part. Generalizing sects of a religion is just as invalid as generalization the entire religion or religion itself.

yes but there's far fewer radical catholic groups than there are christian fundamentalist groups ..for example there's a a christian group that believes US soldiers dieing in iraq is justified because the US is tolerant of homosexuals ....I cant for the life of me remember ever hearing of any catholic group that is that radical

Oh yes, let's compare the best with the worst!
I'll follow your logic:
FPS genre has Half Life 2
Racing genre has Big Rigs
Therefore, racing genre sucks!

the worst? Roberts is the leader of the christian coalition, hardly a fringe element. But if you can provide exemplary christians by all means post away

 

[Raziaar]

Okay stern. I'm not gonna tango with you in this subject about how one subsect of a belief is more superior than another, or more inferior than another. You're obviously set on the mindset that christians are somehow brutal savages with their beliefs, and that they harbor the foulest people amongst all the others, or something. I mean, with such comments as i've seen from you regarding it.

First... its religion is awful, now... its christianity alone is the single most worst religion.

Or something. Not worth arguing over.

 

[MiccyNarc]

yes but there's far fewer radical catholic groups than there are christian fundamentalist groups

And a whole lot more pedophile priests

for example there's a a christian group that believes US soldiers dieing in iraq is justified because the US is tolerant of homosexuals

Westboro Baptist Church...hardly describe it as "Christian".

Roberts is the leader of the christian coalition,

My bad, I read it as Robertson.

. But if you can provide exemplary christians by all means post away

Martin Luther
Hudson Taylor
C.S. Lewis
David Livingstone
Abraham Lincoln

 

[CptStern]

Okay stern. I'm not gonna tango with you in this subject about how one subsect of a belief is more superior than another, or more inferior than another. You're obviously set on the mindset that christians are somehow brutal savages with their beliefs, and that they harbor the foulest people amongst all the others, or something. I mean, with such comments as i've seen from you regarding it.

First... its religion is awful, now... its christianity alone is the single most worst religion.

Or something. Not worth arguing over.

sigh ..must everything be a knee jerk reaction to what I say? I didnt say one is better than the other all I'm saying that there's far more radical fringe groups in christianity as there is in catholicism


believe me catholicism has a lot to answer to and I'm not by any means defending them

 

[Raziaar]

sigh ..must everything be a knee jerk reaction to what I say? I didnt say one is better than the other all I'm saying that there's far more radical fringe groups in christianity as there is in catholicism


believe me catholicism has a lot to answer to and I'm not by any means defending them

Catholocism and christianity contain pretty much the same types of people! There's not a big difference of diversity between the worshippers... but the differences are in some of their teachings.

 

[MiccyNarc]

Catholocism and christianity contain pretty much the same types of people! There's not a big difference of diversity between the worshippers... but the differences are in some of their teachings.

Exactly. For example, I don't talk to Mary when I need help, I talk to God.

*imagines Stern's head exploding when he reads this*

 

[CptStern]

And a whole lot more pedophile priests

no argument there

Westboro Baptist Church...hardly describe it as "Christian".

then what are they? according to this they're christian:

"Baptist churches are part of a Christian movement often regarded as an Evangelical, Protestant denomination."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baptist

My bad, I read it as Robertson.

no, my bad, I meant Robertson

Martin Luther
Hudson Taylor
C.S. Lewis
David Livingstone
Abraham Lincoln

Martin luther was an augistine monk ..a catholic order
Taylor was a missionary and I'm not all that fond of them
Lewis was born protestant but was also a christian apologist
Livingstone was an explorer who just so happened to be christian
Lincoln was not christian:

"Evidence against Lincoln's ever being Christian includes offerings from two of Lincoln's most intimate friends, Ward Hill Lamon and William H. Herndon. Both Herndon and Lamon published biographies of their former colleague after his assassination relating their personal recollections of him. Each denied Lincoln's adherence to Christianity and characterized his religious beliefs as deist or atheist."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._Presidential_religious_affiliations

 

[Raziaar]

Martin luther was an augistine monk ..a catholic order

He's talking about Martin Luther King, Jr man! Martin Luther was some guy in the 1500's, who you're talking about, wasnt he?

Martin Luther King, Jr. was a christian. Hardly anybody you could possibly try to downplay.


And irregardless, I don't know why you keep trying to 'downplay' christianity in general. Give it a rest.

 

[MiccyNarc]

then what are they?

A lunatic cult that happens to call itself Christian.
I can call myself anything I want, doesn't make it true.

Martin luther was an augistine monk ..a catholic order

So you've never heard of the Protestant Reformation and who started it?

Taylor was a missionary and I'm not all that fond of them
Lewis was born protestant but was also a christian apologist
Livingstone was an explorer who just so happened to be christian

Ehm..what's your point?

Lincoln was not christian:

"Evidence against Lincoln's ever being Christian includes offerings from two of Lincoln's most intimate friends, Ward Hill Lamon and William H. Herndon. Both Herndon and Lamon published biographies of their former colleague after his assassination relating their personal recollections of him. Each denied Lincoln's adherence to Christianity and characterized his religious beliefs as deist or atheist."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...s_affiliations

Scroll down the page and you'll see that it is quite debatable whether or not Lincoln was a Christian.

 

[CptStern]

A lunatic cult that happens to call itself Christian.
I can call myself anything I want, doesn't make it true.

yes yourself ...but this group identifies themselves as christian baptists.

So you've never heard of the Protestant Reformation and who started it?

yes I have ..but you can hardly compare christianity today with the protestant reformation ..there's no parrallels whatsoever

Ehm..what's your point?

I dont know you listed them, you tell me

Scroll down the page and you'll see that it is quite debatable whether or not Lincoln was a Christian.

everything I've found including his memoirs point to Lincoln being a Deitist ...not christian

And irregardless, I don't know why you keep trying to 'downplay' christianity in general. Give it a rest.

I'm not trying to downplay christianity ..although I wont hesitate to attack it when they step outta line

 

[MiccyNarc]

yes yourself ...but this group identifies themselves as christian baptists.

Me and my friends could call ourselves cars, doesn't make it true.

Now if our arms and legs turned into wheels, our organs turned into mechanics, etc., then yes, you could call us cars.
It's a name, nothing more.

yes I have ..but you can hardly compare christianity today with the protestant reformation ..there's no parrallels whatsoever

Protestant reformation led to modern Christianity. Without it we would most likely still be catholics. Luther was not a Catholic.
And yes, protestants are Christians.

I dont know you listed them, you tell me

You asked for examples of examplery christians. I obliged.

everything I've found including his memoirs point to Lincoln being a Deitist ...not christian

Again, there is debate here. People can see what they want to see.

 

[CptStern]

Me and my friends could call ourselves cars, doesn't make it true. Now if our arms and legs turned into wheels, our organs turned into mechanics, etc., then yes, you could call us cars.
It's a name, nothing more.

now you're just being asinine ..that example doesnt even remotely work because you and your friends dont follow a certain philosphy, their is no theology, no rules to adhere to no lifestyle to aspire to

Protestant reformation led to modern Christianity. Without it we would most likely still be catholics. Luther was not a Catholic.
And yes, protestants are Christians.

yes just like the discovery of fire eventually led to man landing on the moon ..not related in the least ..modern christianity has NOTHING to do with the protestant reformation

You asked for examples of examplery christians. I obliged.

and I provided evidence of their ambiguity when it comes to identifying them as "christian" ..cept Lewis ..there's no denying he was christian

Again, there is debate here. People can see what they want to see.

look this is pretty simple ...his memoirs and correspondence with friends proves he is a deitist ...if he was indeed christian there must be the same sort of evidence ...but not that this matters one lick of difference because christianity today is overshadowed by fundamentalism and often goes hand in hand ..just like how most americans dont distinguish between bad and good muslim