Wow, a Fox News Conservative I just Gained Respect For

[No Limit]

One thing I love in politics is when one member of a certain side admits that someone else on their team totally screwed up. As most conservative members here demonstrated with the Rove comments they simply are not willing to do this. These people should take a page out of Bill Kristol's book:

http://movies.crooksandliars.com/Fox_News_Sunday_Conservatives_Collide.wmv

The video is with the ultimate liar Brit Hume (a fox news anchor) trying to defend Rove's comments with just outright lies and Bill Kristol, a fellow conservative on the panel, exposing him. I disagree with Kristol's postitions 99% of the time but because of this I just gained a lot of respect for him and will listen to him with a much more open mind as he demonstrated he can do the same. I just wish more people around here would do the same.

 

[gh0st]

congratulations.

 

[dream431ca]

I'm not american but I do find this interesting nonetheless. I have some questions for you though.

I know of the rumors that fox news is a bad source for "news" since they bend the truth..now don't get me wrong, these are rumours and only you the american can tell me what they are known for (if any) wrong doing.

This guy seems to get the other people in the room upset about the "liberal" thing or whatever. If you would like to, could you tell me what this means to you as an american and do you think that americans could be changing their point of view because of it? Thanks.

EDIT: or maybe you have no idea what I'm talking about. :rolling:

 

[No Limit]

congratulations.

Something tells me you didn't pay attention. Oh well.

I'm not american but I do find this interesting nonetheless. I have some questions for you though.

I know of the rumors that fox news is a bad source for "news" since they bend the truth..now don't get me wrong, these are rumours and only you the american can tell me what they are known for (if any) wrong doing.

This guy seems to get the other people in the room upset about the "liberal" thing or whatever. If you would like to, could you tell me what this means to you as an american and do you think that americans could be changing their point of view because of it? Thanks.

EDIT: or maybe you have no idea what I'm talking about. .

The fact that Fox News is biased isn't really a rumor (unless you talk to a minority of conservatives that won't accept it). They continually hide news that damages the administration and most of their "anchors" have a strong republican bias; Brit Hume, the guy you saw in that video, being a good example of this.

How are they affecting this country? Well, I honestly don't know. But the fact that they are the most available cable news network in the US probably affects us greatly. Some evidance of this is that I continually hear Fox News talking points (from the likes of O'Reilly and Hannity) repeated here clearly means they have some, if not a lot, influance on what people believe.

 

[dream431ca]

So..I'm guessing that Fox news is watched by most of the United States? (correct me if I'm wrong). I'm also guessing that this might be a shock to some people watching it as you pointed out that the anchors are republically biased so I'm guessing that some people who watch it are republically biased as well. (or is that alot of people who watch it?)

 

[Glirk Dient]

Theres a bunch of large news channels. Fox is pretty much the only conservative news channel. Pretty much all of the others are liberal, as in they like to show how horrible America is and how awfull freedom is. Some people are unfortunately swayed by this. These are the news channels people like sadam and osama watch.

 

[gh0st]

Theres a bunch of large news channels. Fox is pretty much the only conservative news channel. Pretty much all of the others are liberal, as in they like to show how horrible America is and how awfull freedom is. Some people are unfortunately swayed by this. These are the news channels people like sadam and osama watch.

hehe i have to chuckle. well done sir!

 

[dream431ca]

Theres a bunch of large news channels. Fox is pretty much the only conservative news channel. Pretty much all of the others are liberal, as in they like to show how horrible America is and how awfull freedom is. Some people are unfortunately swayed by this. These are the news channels people like sadam and osama watch.

You have just described perfectly what liberal means in America. If Stern where here he would have something to say but as for me...it doesn't bother me. So there are two sides in America I gather: Conservatives and Liberals and they are completley opposite (that's the impression I get).

 

[marksmanHL2 :)]

Heh, I thought the purpose of the news was to tell the news completely objectively and without bias either way...



Surely pointing out problems with your own nation can only be a good thing.. or do you just no want to hear it?!

And anyway... if they have so many bad things to say about the government... maybe you should start to listen. Sure they might exagerate... but its only like that to get a point across.


We (The british) are constantly told by our media how crap our country is and how bad a job the government is doing. I think its an excelent thing they do too... otherwise the government can be allowed to get away with allmost anything it likes. *hint..*

 

[No Limit]

Theres a bunch of large news channels. Fox is pretty much the only conservative news channel. Pretty much all of the others are liberal, as in they like to show how horrible America is and how awfull freedom is. Some people are unfortunately swayed by this. These are the news channels people like sadam and osama watch.

Oh My God!!!!!!

If you do not show me some examples of these other medias saying how awful freedom is you are a proven liar. I am so sick of your crap; what you do is a classic example of everything that is wrong with this country. And the fact that ghost endoresed what you said makes it even more sad. So if I don't get at least 1 example of each network (CBS, NBC, ABC) saying how bad freedom is you have absolutely no more credibility on this board from me. This was the case a long time ago but other people need to see how full of shit you are.

I also want credible evidance of Saddam and Osama watching networks like ABC, NBC, and CBS.

 

[gh0st]

hah it was sarcasm pally, i just thought it was funny.

 

[dream431ca]

Oh My God!!!!!!

If you do not show me some examples of these other medias saying how awful freedom is you are a proven liar. I am so sick of your crap; what you do is a classic example of everything that is wrong with this country. And the fact that ghost endoresed what you said makes it even more sad. So if I don't get at least 1 example of each network (CNN, NBC, ABC) saying how bad freedom is you have absolutely no more credibility on this board from me. This was the case a long time ago but other people need to see how full of shit you are.

I agree with your post. It's funny how the word "liberal" is used so selectively.

 

[No Limit]

hah it was sarcasm pally, i just thought it was funny.

then I hope you will join me in saying what an ass he made of himself.

Also ghost, I hope you will also agree that people like him only destroy the image of your party.

 

[gh0st]

then I hope you will join me in saying what an ass he made of himself.

hey ease up, all opinions are important in this great nation.

Also ghost, I hope you will also agree that people like him only destroy the image of your party.

i quit the republican party 4 hours ago, i'm no longer affiliated with any party.

 

[No Limit]

hey ease up, all opinions are important in this great nation.

Opinions that are backed up with facts are perfectly fine. He didn't post an opinion, he posted slander. Come on ghost, dont dodge this and have a little deceny; you do admit what he posted is way over the line, right?

quit the republican party 4 hours ago, i'm no longer affiliated with any party.

Good for you. But you do admit you still share a lot of common beliefs with Republicans, right? There is nothing wrong with that, I just hope you will say that what he posted damages the cause behind those beliefs.

 

[gh0st]

Opinions that are backed up with facts are perfectly fine. He didn't post an opinion, he posted slander. Come on ghost, dont dodge this and have a little deceny; you do admit what he posted is way over the line, right?

well...alright, maybe a bit. yes, it does damage his argument if youre curious.

Good for you. But you do admit you still share a lot of common beliefs with Republicans, right? There is nothing wrong with that, I just hope you will say that what he posted damages the cause behind those beliefs.

no, not really actually. i dont really think half the stuff i post here.

 

[No Limit]

well...alright, maybe a bit. yes, it does damage his argument if youre curious.

Thank you, that's the kind of attitude I was talking about in the original post.

:cheers:

Becareful though, his next post will label you as a freedom hating commie

 

[Icarusintel]

So there are two sides in America I gather: Conservatives and Liberals and they are completley opposite (that's the impression I get).

as much as it may look like there is only a conservative and liberal side there are many people in-between who share some views from both sides, but aren;t exclusive to either
sadly the main media portrayal separates it into conservative and liberal these days acting as if there is no middle ground, which is very unfortunate and doesn't represent most of the country, i think

 

[gh0st]

dream, the only people you hear about are the extremes... most of america, i suspect, is quite moderate.

 

[No Limit]

dream, the only people you hear about are the extremes... most of america, i suspect, is quite moderate.

Most of America is simply stupid and don't know what they are. This might sound a little extremist to some but the basic fact is the average joe can't be bothered to spend 5 to 10 minutes a day to update themselves on what really goes on in this world. When election comes around these people are swayed by idiotic buzz words. This needs to change.

 

[Icarusintel]

Most of America is simply stupid and don't know what they are. This might sound a little extremist to some but the basic fact is the average joe can't be bothered to spend 5 to 10 minutes a day to update themselves on what really goes on in this world. When election comes around these people are swayed by idiotic buzz words. This needs to change.

well, the education system needs to be revamped and news needs to be made more appealing to the masses, which is what i think they're trying to do with the whole left vs. right-all-the-time thing, which doesn't seem to be working, at least not working well to truly inform americans

 

[No Limit]

well, the education system needs to be revamped and news needs to be made more appealing to the masses, which is what i think they're trying to do with the whole left vs. right-all-the-time thing, which doesn't seem to be working, at least not working well to truly inform americans

I can't really blame it on the media which I will admit I have huge problems with for their lack of balls. Americans simply don't give a shit. Luckily young people are starting to care which could mean good changes in the future but I still don't think there is enough of them to make a huge difference. Look at Canadians and British (or virtually any other industrialized country); they mostly know what goes on around them.

I don't want to turn this in to right vs left but take Glirk for example. This guy continues to spew nothing but hate but he doesn't know anything that goes on around him. I ask him to back up what he just said and he suddenly disappears. And I do hope that you also will condamn what he said, trust me, I would do the same to any liberal that would say something so out of line and out of touch with reality.

 

[dream431ca]

dream, the only people you hear about are the extremes... most of america, i suspect, is quite moderate.

Your probably correct because the media usually gets the extremests. I'm not from America so I only hear it on the news everynight. I need some info from an avergae American. This is a great place to get such information.

 

[dream431ca]

Most of America is simply stupid and don't know what they are. This might sound a little extremist to some but the basic fact is the average joe can't be bothered to spend 5 to 10 minutes a day to update themselves on what really goes on in this world. When election comes around these people are swayed by idiotic buzz words. This needs to change.

Your not alone buddy. You should see how Canada runs the elections. It's all about promises that nobody keeps and every other party attacks the one party in power about really stupid things. The conservatives in this country are horrible. They've been trying to force an election for 2 years already. The one thing I do like in Canada is that people are starting to resent the Conservative party and most of Canada does not want them in power at all. That's great news, and I hope it stays that way.

 

[Icarusintel]

I can't really blame it on the media which I will admit I have huge problems with for their lack of balls. Americans simply don't give a shit. Luckily young people are starting to care which could mean good changes in the future but I still don't think there is enough of them to make a huge difference. Look at Canadians and British (or virtually any other industrialized country); they mostly know what goes on around them.

I don't want to turn this in to right vs left but take Glirk for example. This guy continues to spew nothing but hate but he doesn't know anything that goes on around him. I ask him to back up what he just said and he suddenly disappears. And I do hope that you also will condamn what he said, trust me, I would do the same to any liberal that would say something so out of line and out of touch with reality.

yeah, i hope the new sort of movement in the young crowd to pay more attention to what's going on will continue to grow in America, I don;t know much about the youth in Canada or the UK, but really, as everyone says, the youth are the future, what we do know will define what happens down the road
I think Glirk just needs to take in more of the spectrum and reflect on it, I know I myself have said some hard-headed things without facts to back it up, but sometimes you just feel a certain way, and feelings do play into things, not necessarily his statements though

 

[FictiousWill]

Yeah too bad whoever does that on fox news usually gets axed within the week. God I hate that network.

 

[Glirk Dient]

Nolimit...osama is sitting next to me and we are watching the news. On top of that...liberal news condemns the war in Iraq, which the people of Iraq have gained freedom from.

Besides...my post was simply a joke since it was so extreme.

 

[Absinthe]

Pretty much all of the others are liberal, as in they like to show how horrible America is and how awfull freedom is. Some people are unfortunately swayed by this.

GET THIS EVERYBODY! THE LIBERAL MEDIA HATES FREEDOM!

Better put them on the list of terrrrists!

 

[Ennui]

Theres a bunch of large news channels. Fox is pretty much the only conservative news channel. Pretty much all of the others are liberal, as in they like to show how horrible America is and how awfull freedom is. Some people are unfortunately swayed by this. These are the news channels people like sadam and osama watch.

Actually, the conservative channel has no problems with bending the truth a lot or a little, whereas CNN and other 'liberal' stations remain commited to the truth and objectivity.

 

[Glirk Dient]

All news is biased, liberal or conservative. Neither side completely tells the truth, it just seems like liberal media may tell the truth because that is what you believe in. The same when I watch conservative biased news...but it is still biased and doesn't offer the full truth.

 

[Absinthe]

Ah, but the difference is that the liberal media hates freedom and the conservative media loves it!

Right?

 

[Glirk Dient]

Ah, but the difference is that the liberal media hates freedom and the conservative media loves it!

Right?

If that's what you belive then sure.

If your talking about me, then you are rather ignorant and have missed a few posts.

 

[Absinthe]

Pretty much all of the others are liberal, as in they like to show how horrible America is and how awfull freedom is. Some people are unfortunately swayed by this. These are the news channels people like sadam and osama watch.

On top of that...liberal news condemns the war in Iraq, which the people of Iraq have gained freedom from.

Excuse for putting 2 and 2 together when it came to what you were essentially trying to say. I'll avoid that in the future.

 

[seinfeldrules]

I take joy in knowing that more people are turning to FOX then shows run by people by Dan Rather.

 

[Glirk Dient]

Excuse for putting 2 and 2 together when it came to what you were essentially trying to say. I'll avoid that in the future.

my post was simply a joke since it was so extreme.

Good job putting 2 and 2 together moron. You completely missed where I said the post was a joke and just made yourself look dumb. Grats.

 

[jondy]

zomg double post

 

[jondy]

Good job putting 2 and 2 together moron. You completely missed where I said the post was a joke and just made yourself look dumb. Grats.

Who would have thought sarcasm would be so hard to read written down? Christ, what do you want, a biscuit? He missed a post, so shoot him. Or maybe stop being so bloody abrasive.

As for this republican/liberal ****up labelling, I'm just glad we don't have it in the UK, it makes debates impossible to control as people are instantly held accountable for anything their 'side' has done wrong. **** that.

 

[Reaktor4]

As for this republican/liberal ****up labelling, I'm just glad we don't have it in the UK, it makes debates impossible to control as people are instantly held accountable for anything their 'side' has done wrong. **** that.

Over the last couple of years blaming things on 'the liberals' has become more and more common among right wing circles in the uk actually. If you listen to anything political on talksport for example i can guarantee you will hear it before long. Its complete bollocks. But it was to be expected if youve noticed the amount of mostly stupid sounding (when said by an englunder) american words/phrases adopted by englunders especially, such as 'mad', 'store', 'dude', 'man', 'cool' etc, over the past 10 years or so. Wiggers and immature girls who think theyre trendy do it most, but i see it a lot in the tabloids too. I just stop listening when a yank wannabe starts that annoying shit.

 

[RakuraiTenjin]

Over the last couple of years blaming things on 'the liberals' has become more and more common among right wing circles in the uk actually. If you listen to anything political on talksport for example i can guarantee you will hear it before long. Its complete bollocks. But it was to be expected if youve noticed the amount of mostly stupid sounding (when said by an englunder) american words/phrases adopted by englunders especially, such as 'mad', 'store', 'dude', 'man', 'cool' etc, over the past 10 years or so. Wiggers and immature girls who think theyre trendy do it most, but i see it a lot in the tabloids too. I just stop listening when a yank wannabe starts that annoying shit.

What the hell are 'mad' and 'store'?

The context we have them in is "mad" as in angry (which is derived from crazy)

and "store" as in a place you'd buy thing.. derived from them being stored there, hence you buy it from the store.

 

[Reaktor4]

What the hell are 'mad' and 'store'?

The context we have them in is "mad" as in angry (which is derived from crazy)

Thats exactly what im talking about.

and "store" as in a place you'd buy thing.. derived from them being stored there, hence you buy it from the store.

No shit. Thats exactly what im talking about.
Before the americanisation people said 'angry' and 'shop'. Well occasionally mad would be used similarly in the phrase '[whatever] is driving me mad', but people never said '[whatever] makes me mad' or 'im mad' in that context.