XBOX 360 and PS3

New pc, xbox360 when its out and ps3 when its out! Im going hardcore in the coming years!
 
Loke said:
Well you better start liking it soon (if you want to watch HD movies), cause it looks like its hauling HD-DVDs ass. :)
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No, if it comes to it, I'll just watch my movies in normal DVD format. I mean, I saw the stuff about the updating DRM in BR format, and I was really amazed. I mean, I don't want to be locked out of my purchases because they're shit at coding this stuff correctly to run on every single player. It's happened to me before, and it'll probably happen again. I'd like to avoid that.

Before the DRM stuff, I had no real problem with blu-ray, really.
 
The xbox360 graphics processor

* 10 MB of embedded DRAM
* 48-way parallel floating-point dynamically scheduled shader pipelines
* Unified shader architecture

What does this mean, for me it looks like shit how can these specs run UT 2007 ?
 
As for the PS3, Sony has a track record of over promising and under delivering on technical performance. Developers are going to have a much harder time designing games for the PS3 than the Xbox 360. The Xbox 360 GPU design is more flexible and it has more processing power than the PS3 GPU.
The memory system bandwidth in Xbox 360 exceeds the PS3's by five times. The Xbox 360 CPU architecture has three times the general purpose processing power of the Cell.The Xbox 360's CPU has more general purpose processing power because it has three general purpose cores, and Cell has just one.

Xbox 360 has 278.4 GB/s of memory system bandwidth. The PS3 has less than one-fifth of Xbox 360's (48 GB/s) of total memory system bandwidth.
The Xbox 360 GPU has more processing power than the PS3's. In addition, its innovated features contribute to overall rendering performance.When you break down the numbers, Xbox 360 has provably more performance than PS3. The Cell's seven DSPs (what Sony calls SPEs) have no cache, no direct access to memory, no branch predictor, and a different instruction set from the PS3's main CPU. They are not designed for or efficient at general purpose computing. DSPs are not appropriate for game programming.
- I did not write this, i stole it from penny arcade i think.
 
360.

I've seen nothing from the PS3 that has impressed me in terms of titles. Some of the supposed in-game visuals are clearly prerendered, and the ones that seem more believable don't surpass the 360's. And while everybody is guilty of throwing out inflated numbers, ridiculous estimates, and general BS, I don't trust Sony. Emotion engine, anybody? Some of their pimping is simply straight out of the realm of believability.

That's just me though.
 
Revolution for the awsome exclusives. Probably Xbox 360 as well for some of the awsome features.
 
Yeah, I'll probably run out of patience while waiting for the Revolution and grab an Xbox 360... then get the Revolution when it finally launches.
 
dream431ca said:
There is no such thing as a useless thread..only a useless post..like the one above mine.
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Quoted for agreement though I still think this thread is stupid because it completely throws out Revolution at the start (i.e. the title of the thread). Nintendo is a competitor, it could even beat Sony and Microsoft this round...

Or maybe it's just that _Garfield is obsessed with specs and the like. The software is what sells a product, not the hardware.
 
I'm going to wait to see the games. Devil May Cry 4 for the Playstation 3 and Ninja Gaiden 2 (possibly) for Xbox 360.
 
Most of the game companies are like :

"We have DVD's, We have compatibility with your kitchen microwave, we have bluetooth, we have internal DVD recording, we have wireless access to your local pizza hut, we have Blue Ray, we have Video cameras, we have picture in picture to capture ur friends, we have internet, we have the ability to rip music, we have high def, we have all this crap that wont be used in a million years, we have duel 3 symmetrical cores running at 9945495.545ghz, we have 4 TFLOPS/s bandwidth, we have all this mumbo jumbo"

What happened to the games?

I dont care if your console can contact outer space life, I want to play games on it, and thats it. I dont care if I can import my own music to play on my console, because i have an ipod for that. I dont care if I can record DVDs or have a camera, because I have other stuff to do that too, and better!

With all this stupid ideas in making the console a media center for your home, I think most of the industry has forgotten why we have consoles...
 
PS3 is looking to be around 800 USD...I'll probably end up buying a Revolution, because that's way too pricy.
 
i will probably end up with the 360 for christmas and wait to see what the revolution has to offer that is better/worse than the PS3
 
the Revolution will be cheaper and all about the games. Not the shitty addons you'll never actually use because you already own a product that does it better.

It's like adding radio functionality to your dvd player...
 
Revolution will only have once or twice as good performance than GameCube, yes all they care about is the games.
 
Garfield_ said:
Revolution will only have once or twice as good performance than GameCube, yes all they care about is the games.
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We'll see.

Does anyone actually believe the PS3 is going to be as powerful as Sony say? I doubt there will be much difference in performance between the next gen consoles - especially the 360 and PS3.

Take a look at the new Zelda trailers for the GC - now imagine that with twice the detail and aa/af. Who needs any more? :)

It is always about the games first, hardware second.
 
Warbie said:
Take a look at the new Zelda trailers for the GC - now imagine that with twice the detail and aa/af. Who needs any more? :)
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Heh. I wonder what will happen to the industry once we've achieved visuals comparable to real life. How more "real" could you get?

I guess that when we hit that wall, we can finally be done with the freakin' hardware race that most gaming platforms are so caught up in at the moment.
 
Revolution will only have once or twice as good performance than GameCube, yes all they care about is the games.
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Did you know there is no code on ANY next-gen console that shows the consoles true power?
The fact is that Sony could say it is 40x faster than the Ps2.
Now thats how much it could in theory produce. In reailty it wont be anywhere near 40x.
Yes the Ps3 can do 2 teraflops, but in reality it wont get anywhere near that number.

Take RE4, x 3...you have great amazing graphics that compare to next gen titles.
3x the polygon rates. Gears of War renders a 5-10k model with alot of things bumped and normal mapped onto it.(They make a extremely high detailed and a low detailed and bump map and normal map most of the extra detail getting similar results).

Now if there is a monster in RE4 with 3-5,000 polys...x3...now it has 9-15,000 plus tons of bump and normal mapped stuff on it thus making it just as good looking IF NOT BETTER LOOKING as Gears of War would look.

You see my point?
Nintendo gives numbers that you can easily use to estimate on the capabilites. If there is a monster on the PS2 that has 2k poly don't expect the Ps3 able to render the same monster with tons of more details at 80,000 poys. This is because of how it works. It accels at float point operations a second. So in theory it can do things 40x faster, but all those calculations wont mean jack shit on making something look better. They will mean jack shit when it comes to physics.. The Xbox360 can be compared similar.
It may be 20x faster or so but that dosn't mean jack shit. They are trying to give you the best looking numbers, not the most accurate polygon count rates. Nintendo does things diffrently. They give you the worst looking numbers, but they actually represent something and mean something in the grand look of things.
 
Garfield_ said:
You must agree that 360 looks much better than PS3 and not to mention their controller.
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Oh god, the 360 looking better than the PS3? I can't bring myself to agree!

I won't be getting any of them unless I happen to have $500 lying around.
 
BetaMaster said:
PS3 is looking to be around 800 USD...
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Is that pricing "official"(Not just speculation and rumours on the net?)
There's no way in hell I'll shove up 800 ****ing dollars for a PS3.
 
gosh, do you people read any 'news' or anything ?

the xbox360 is looking to be around 300 while the ps3 about 500.

and 800 isn't official . . .

also, you people claiming that sony/ms are only in for the hardware, with your generic "it has the kitchen!" comments should really stop; technology is advancing, both consoles will have -great- games; deal with it.

it isn't only software that sells [a big 'duh' and if it was, the gamecube did pretty bad using that logic], just the dreams of fans.

and the 'no useless thread' logic is flawed, if i made a thread with only "kazzooweeya!" in it, would that be claimed as constructive/useful ? goes the same for posts.
 
destrukt said:
gosh, do you people read any 'news' or anything ?

the xbox360 is looking to be around 300 while the ps3 about 500.

and 800 isn't official . . .

also, you people claiming that sony/ms are only in for the hardware, with your generic "it has the kitchen!" comments should really stop; technology is advancing, both consoles will have -great- games; deal with it.

it isn't only software that sells [a big 'duh' and if it was, the gamecube did pretty bad using that logic], just the dreams of fans.
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Sony and Microsoft are only releasing hardware notes and that their game console can have "reflections off of character's eyes". Gamespy interviewed Nintendo. and the biggest thing they were worrying about was the design of the controller. They didn't have a "my console will have the best graphics of this generation" mentality.
That says a lot about their dedication to making great games even down to how the person interacts with the game (the controller).

I don't see anything different for the PS3 except the batarang design (the button layout is identical), and the Xbox just has wireless controllers. Unless they recharge wirelessly, have a non-wireless option, or have an insane amount of battery life, it wasn't a great move.

_Garfield said:
Revolution will only have once or twice as good performance than GameCube, yes all they care about is the games.
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Who knows what performance it'll have...no official specs have been released...
 
Who knows what performance it'll have...no official specs have been released...
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No offical specs have been released, but they have said its about 2 to 3 times faster than the gamecube.
 
Minerel said:
No offical specs have been released, but they have said its about 2 to 3 times faster than the gamecube.
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I believe that comment was retracted.


The way I look at it. I have to have a Revolution.....I love Nintendo's first-party work....it's the envy of the industry. I'll probobly buy one of the others. I think that's what Nintendo is shooting for....make their console so unique that even the 3rd party stuff that appears on all three will be dramtically different on the Revolution......ie. you have to have a Revolution and one of the other two or all three. They need their console to be indespensible and stuck in people's minds. I honestly see the PS3 and XBox360 as being one in the same.....it just depends on what games I can live without....
 
I'm still having a hard time deciding between the ps3 and 360.

The PS2 has had such a good line-up recently (it being the strongest console for the last year or so imo) Assuming the PS3 can continue in this way it's hard not to lean in its favour.

Then again, PD0 is coming out on the 360. Just imagine what this could be - Golden Eye with next gen hardware \o/. It has the potential to be the greatest fps ever made :)

There's nothing to decide when it comes to the Revolution though - it shall be mine :)

On a side note, with Zelda, Okami, and Wanda, coming out in the near future this generation isn't quite dead. Infact, the greatest titles of this generation could still be yet to come ....
 
Well here is a short quote that probably sums up John Carmacks views on the PS3 vs 360 from a developers standpoint.
http://www.totalvideogames.com/news/Carmack_–_Xbox360_"Great",_PS3_"Pain_in_my_ass"_!!!_8194_0_0.htm

I don't think he likes the PS3 all that much. Funny thing is that my initial prediction about the PS3 may actually end up being right. That being that the PS3 won't have as many games or at least not many games that take advantage of its unique abilities simply because it will be too different to develop with.
 
ricera10 said:
Sony and Microsoft are only releasing hardware notes and that their game console can have "reflections off of character's eyes". Gamespy interviewed Nintendo. and the biggest thing they were worrying about was the design of the controller. They didn't have a "my console will have the best graphics of this generation" mentality.
That says a lot about their dedication to making great games even down to how the person interacts with the game (the controller).

I don't see anything different for the PS3 except the batarang design (the button layout is identical), and the Xbox just has wireless controllers. Unless they recharge wirelessly, have a non-wireless option, or have an insane amount of battery life, it wasn't a great move.
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yes .. i know that, that was kind of what my post was about; what are you trying to convince me of ?

about the wireless, well, technology is leaving behind wires so they have made a smart move, that way. i doubt people will have a problem recharging them, i have no problem recharging my mobile phone, cordless home phone, ipod, psp etc.
 
The Mullinator said:
Well here is a short quote that probably sums up John Carmacks views on the PS3 vs 360 from a developers standpoint.
http://www.totalvideogames.com/news/Carmack_–_Xbox360_"Great",_PS3_"Pain_in_my_ass"_!!!_8194_0_0.htm

I don't think he likes the PS3 all that much. Funny thing is that my initial prediction about the PS3 may actually end up being right. That being that the PS3 won't have as many games or at least not many games that take advantage of its unique abilities simply because it will be too different to develop with.
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Just like the PS2 was so difficult to develop games for this generation, right? That may be the case, but there are a lot more games on the PS2 in general, let alone that I want to play, so I would say that even if it is a harder environment to code in, it is one that is worth the trouble, as the numbers demonstrate.

Not to mention how much Sony has invested in the PS3 dev kits this time around, giving developers much more with which to work.

Its going to be difficult to get the most out of each of the new systems with their multiple cores and new graphics solutions, but there will be a few great developers that will rise to the occasion and show us what true next-gen gaming can be.

Seriously though, all of this talk is just a waste of time until we see actual finished games running on actual finished hardware. Then we can talk about which is harder to get the most out of.
 
destrukt said:
gosh, do you people read any 'news' or anything ?

the xbox360 is looking to be around 300 while the ps3 about 500.

and 800 isn't official . . .
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They're saying it'll be 500 pounds, which is ~800 USD.
 
guess what, it's confirmed it's about 300usd.

so, that 'they're saying it's 500 pounds was just some random guy/site, kgobye.
 
destrukt said:
guess what, it's confirmed it's about 300usd.

so, that 'they're saying it's 500 pounds was just some random guy/site, kgobye.
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the PS3? You mean the 360 right?

The PS3 is going to be much more expensive from what I've heard.
 
Warbie said:
I'm still having a hard time deciding between the ps3 and 360.

The PS2 has had such a good line-up recently (it being the strongest console for the last year or so imo) Assuming the PS3 can continue in this way it's hard not to lean in its favour.

Then again, PD0 is coming out on the 360. Just imagine what this could be - Golden Eye with next gen hardware \o/. It has the potential to be the greatest fps ever made :)
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Strange... I found the PS2 lineup was unbelievably diluted in terms of unique and interesting gameplay. Sure, they've got MGS and... well, GT4, I suppose. But MGS went downhill halfway through the second game, and GT4 got utterly trumped by Forza Motorsport. Plus the only game that really interested me, San Andreas, came out on Xbox later on.

I also quite enjoy shooters, and quite frankly, the Playstation controller layout doesn't lend itself to the genre.

Plus I don't trust Sony anymore. Although I like the look of this "WarHawk" game that's rumoured for the PS3. 2000 planes at the same time... Insanity!
 
PS3 has been confirmed at $399.
Whoever said 500 pounds is obviously an 36o or Revolution fanboy.
 
and you're obviously ignorant.

it's called speculation, learn to live with it [ and no, that is not hypocrisy ].
 
I have only read up to page 4 of this thread, but my opinion in all of this is don't say "I heard that", "They said this". Just wait till the actual release then talk about the two.

These conversations only spark up rumors and assumptions. You guys talk as if one is going to be better then the other, or this is going to have more games then that. I say just end it... its no bother talking about something when it isn't even here yet. Just wait till they come around then go on and defend your position on which console is the greatest, or the best.

Just my two cents...
 
The console that gets Ninja Gaiden for the win!
It's probably going to be on Xbox 360 but who knows?
 
360.I like shooting games and the 360 will have Gears of War,Ghost Recon3,Halo 3[unconfirmed, cos Bungie is mean:( ],Perfect Dark Zero and Half-Life 3:sniper: , not to mention fantastic online play.
 
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