Your View on Pirating

[Fliko]

Your view on pirating in this thread.
Instead of bringing it to other threads, ARGUE HERE!

The internet was made for the purpose of free disturbution of information.
A long time ago it did have that, it was great, and it still sorta is once you get past all the money schemes, the scams, viruses, spyware, ads, etc.

Is it moraly right to download information freely as first intended when the internet was made, or is it wrong to obtain information in such a free way, now that people and companies are relying on this money to live?

 

[Que-Ever]

Wait, so how long have companies been wanting to make money?

 

[Qonfused]

No, it's not right, but millions continue to do it.

 

[15357]

It's a crime, and about the only crime that I continue to commit. (How else are you gonna get melty blood? Or other banned games like GTA?)

 

[MorganFreeman911]

Or how else are cheap people who are not impatient gonna get games?

 

[Atomic_Piggy]

Only music and the occasional film (but very rarely, as in, like a couple of times a year). But music, yes loads.

 

[DEATHMASTER]

Or how else are cheap people who are not impatient gonna get games?

Exactly! :afro:

 

[Fliko]

Wait, so how long have companies been wanting to make money?

I think it's some new fad, quite weird to be honest

 

[Kyorisu]

I hate when companies say they've lost money due to piracy. Sure they probably have lost a few sales, but the rest of those pirates where never going to buy your crappy product anyway. If they can get it for free all is well, but pay for it? Bah screw that.

 

[Dog--]

If you've got the "skill" or know-how to get free software, why not? It's the internet. You'll never get caught, anyways. It's not like going to a computer store and stealing a physical thing, like a CD. It's electronic. It doesn't even really exist.

 

[AJ Rimmer]

The music and movie industry needs to find some way to co-exist with the piracy scene, because they will never stop it.

 

[Dog--]

Oh yea, I forgot to add, if you download free movies and games and stuff - You get to call yourself a Pirate! Yarr!

Another benefit to piracy!


..


Yarr!

 

[Que-Ever]

The best thing about being a pirate.../shania twain

 

[DEATHMASTER]

vut

 

[Jintor]

Does Abandonware count? Or games that are near-impossible to find or to buy where you are?

*twiddles thumbs*

 

[Javert]

Pirating video games is a shame.

But when I hear about groups releasing multiple versions of Spider-Pirates-Shrek-13, I don't shed a tear.

 

[HunterSeeker]

Piracy harms developers, and do not give me that "But I would never have bought it anyway" crap. If you want to play it you should pay for it, if it is to expensive wait until it gets cheaper. It is as simple as that.

 

[Jintor]

What about pirating games that are no longer sold? Or their parent companies no longer exist?

 

[HunterSeeker]

What about pirating games that are no longer sold? Or their parent companies no longer exist?

Justified IMO.

 

[Tyguy]

Justified IMO.

If a game is available on a store shelf, SOMEONE is losing money



but it doesnt bother me, why should it? :|

 

[Llama]

I pirate stuff. I've never pirated a game, and only a few films, but a couple of programs, and lots of music.

BRB FBI

 

[Lt. Drebin]

Couldn't possibly care less.

 

[Sulkdodds]

It is generally unethical to pirate - that is, to steal - something whose creators have not given you permission to possess.

With myspace and so on it is now very easy these days to work out whether you will enjoy a particular album or not.

I don't think the gaming industry has quite got into the habit of treating their consumers with any kind of respect yet.

 

[AJ Rimmer]

Does Abandonware count? Or games that are near-impossible to find or to buy where you are?

*twiddles thumbs*

There's a website I frequent which only allows you to download british TV shows that are not available on any other sites and have not been released on DVD or VHS. If a show is released on DVD it is removed from the site immideately. That's cool imo.

 

[Absinthe]

Pirating is wrong, but I do it.

Shoop da whoop.

 

[Angry Lawyer]

I'm morally against pirating, as I know it can be a right bitch to small developers. Yeah, companies like EA won't miss the money, but when you take it from indy developers, you're hurting them a lot.

-Angry Lawyer

 

[Tyguy]

is it wrong to pirate games if you dont play them?

 

[AJ Rimmer]

is it wrong to pirate games if you dont play them?

What, just download games for the fun of it?

 

[Solaris]

It depends, I don't believe it's morally wrong to steal from major companies because I am a Marxist. However, I think it is wrong to steal from the petit-bourgeoisie.

 

[Tyguy]

What, just download games for the fun of it?

haha, exactly

 

[Tyguy]

It depends, I don't believe it's morally wrong to steal from major companies because I am a Marxist. However, I think it is wrong to steal from the petit-bourgeoisie.

What if the petite grow into an extremely profitable and large business?

 

[Lt. Drebin]

I'm morally against pirating, as I know it can be a right bitch to small developers. Yeah, companies like EA won't miss the money, but when you take it from indy developers, you're hurting them a lot.

-Angry Lawyer

Ahh yes. EA is one I definitly don't care about the Pirates taking to town. EA steals from gamers evertime another Madden, NBA, NHL, Tiger Woods, etc comes out. Although...the same mindless sons of bitches come back every year...simply mindblowing.

 

[Tyguy]

i friggen hate madden, each new game makes about 4 improvements over the last years game and justifies their price tag....

suck it EA

 

[PvtRyan]

It depends, I don't believe it's morally wrong to steal from major companies because I am a Marxist. However, I think it is wrong to steal from the petit-bourgeoisie.

O right, because small companies employ real people while big companies employ evil robots / people who do not need money to survive. What a load of shit.

 

[HunterSeeker]

It depends, I don't believe it's morally wrong to steal from major companies because I am a Marxist. However, I think it is wrong to steal from the petit-bourgeoisie.

I am also a socialist, and even I find it wrong from steal from large corporations (even if I am not a fan of those). I cant see how you can justify it, two wrongs does not make a right.

 

[Solaris]

I am also a socialist, and even I find it wrong from steal from large corporations (even if I am not a fan of those). I cant see how you can justify it, two wrongs does not make a right.

You are not a socialist.

It is not wrong to steal from big companies, why do I give a shit it the chair of directors gets $99999999 instead of $10000000 because I stole from him. I don't, the fact is, he is so rich by exploiting and stealing if you will allow the term the labor of his workers who he pays very little compared to how much money they make for him.

Karl Marx discovered that Bourgeoisie become rich at the expense of the proletariat, my boss has to shout at me and pay me low wages and be unreasonable if he wants to make a shit load of money, its that law of capitalism. I do not think capitalism is a morally acceptable order of society. Also, I do not believe the company owns the things they have on their shelves, it belongs to the workers, who's sweat and labor went into producing it.

It's not stealing, because the products where acquired through a morally corrupt system (capitalism). While taking something from the shelves of wall mart doesn't really help combat capitalism (much) it neither has a negative effect, the people who suffer have too much money to start with.

However, when it's a family run grocery shop, stealing has direct consequences on decent hard working people, so that is wrong.

Death to the Bourgeoisie!

 

[Angry Lawyer]

Bare in mind, though, Solaris, that when large game companies don't meet their sales targets, the managing director doesn't get a paycut - they just make layoffs of staff - the very people who really need the money. The corporate mindset is to cut costs rather than the wages of the high-ups when things become troublesome.

-Angry Lawyer

 

[AntiAnto]

I'm totally for pirating music. How else could I discover new artists since radio and tv only diffuse popular shit nowadays? I own every albums that I've downloaded and loved so far. Without illegal distribution, every single artist that I absolutely love would still be unknown to me.

On the other hand, I'm guilty of downloading movies on a regular basis, but I really don't think that this industry requires more money than it presently does.

 

[Solaris]

Bare in mind, though, Solaris, that when large game companies don't meet their sales targets, the managing director doesn't get a paycut - they just make layoffs of staff - the very people who really need the money. The corporate mindset is to cut costs rather than the wages of the high-ups when things become troublesome.

-Angry Lawyer

An interesting point, just like if someone went to the extreme and blew up a superstore, there would be alot of people without jobs and thus a lot of hungry children.

However, am I responcable to perpetuate capitalism by being a consumer? I don't think so, whilst the result of me pirating a game made by EA might result in staff layoffs, Capitalism should be blamed for this, not me.

 

[The Monkey]

I think it's wrong, but I still do it.

Personal economy > ethics.