Zogby: 65% of Republicans still believe Saddam/9-11 connection

[No Limit]

The Zogby America telephone poll of 1,014 likely voters conducted over Labor Day weekend finds members of the two parties diametrically opposed on key issues, while independents line up more closely to Democratic viewpoints.

In one key measurement in the survey, a 58% majority says the Iraq War has not been worth the loss of American lives, while 36% say it has. But the partisan breakdown shows a very different story. Among Republicans, 58% say the war has been worth the cost in lives, while among Democrats, just 20% hold this view—a number that improves to 28% among independents.

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Also note that 65% of Republicans believe there was a connection between Saddam Hussein and the 9-11 attacks.

The biggest part of that story is that 65% of those polled that consider themselves Republicans still believe, after their own president and after their own congress refuted this that Saddam had a direct connection to 9/11.

What I want to know is how do you reason with someone like that? Why should these people be allowed to vote? No matter how many facts you slap them with, no matter how many times their own president says there was no connection, no matter how many times the congress they elected says that Saddam was at war with Al Queda, they will not change their mind. Please, someone explain this to me?

http://zogby.com/Soundbites/ReadClips.dbm?ID=13637

I would just like to say one more thing to these people:

 

[CptStern]

"morans"

lol hardly a good representative for the anti-war movement ..someone give that guy a dictionary


this is disturbing ..even after the bush admin repeatedly admitted there's no connection people still believe the lie

 

[No Limit]

Here is another picture of our genius pro-war friend:

http://politicalhumor.about.com/library/images/blpic-morans.htm

and some more smart people that insist on opening their mouths:

http://politicalhumor.about.com/library/images/blpic-protestsimple.htm

 

[CptStern]

I thought he was anti-war ...lol this is even better

 

[No Limit]

I thought he was anti-war ...lol this is even better

Sorry, I figured that by the looks of him you could tell. This was at a pro-war rally.

 

[CptStern]

I always thought pro-war rallies were stupid ..I mean you dont see pro-rape rallies or pro-murder rallies

 

[delusional]

im part of the 45% i guess. whats the percent error though.

 

[No Limit]

im part of the 45% i guess. whats the percent error though.

Its not +/- 65%, I can tell you that right now. At most with 1,000 responders it would be +/- 5%.

 

[delusional]

I always thought pro-war rallies were stupid ..I mean you dont see pro-rape rallies or pro-murder rallies

stop equating pro war rallies to murder and rape since its not the same

 

[The Monkey]

That's because most Republicans are dumb ****s.

 

[JNightshade]

stop equating pro war rallies to murder and rape since its not the same

Actually, he's equating war with murder and rape. Which, unfortunately, is rather close to the truth.

 

[CptStern]

yes, what he said

 

[Black_Wolf]

That's because most Republicans are dumb ****s.

________________________ you have only been here a couple of times to visit its not like you know everything.

 

[DeusExMachina]

I expected the number to be a bit higher.

The rest of the Republicans will come to their senses.

 

[Angry Lawyer]

Lawyer: 65% of Republicans still dumb.

-Angry Lawyer

 

[Beerdude26]

im part of the 35% i guess. whats the percent error though.

Fixed

I always thought pro-war rallies were stupid ..I mean you dont see pro-rape rallies or pro-murder rallies

That's because you're not looking hard enough :naughty:

 

[The Monkey]

________________________ you have only been here a couple of times to visit its not like you know everything.

I do after reading the article.

 

[delusional]

again all you have done is generalize war. not all wars are murder or rape, murder is the un- justified killing of an other. imperialism is more closely related to rape. a war that is justified is not murder. and in the case of iraq it is not rape since we are there with the pre text of helping the citizens

 

[Angry Lawyer]

again all you have done is generalize war. not all wars are murder or rape, murder is the un- justified killing of an other. imperialism is more closely related to rape. a war that is justified is not murder. and in the case of iraq it is not rape since we are there with the pre text of OILOILOILOILOILOILOILOIL

D:

-Angry Lawyer

 

[Tr0n]

and in the case of iraq it is not rape since we are there with the pre text of helping the citizens

...and wmds and it being linked to Al Qaeda/911? Oh wait....

 

[No Limit]

again all you have done is generalize war. not all wars are murder or rape, murder is the un- justified killing of an other. imperialism is more closely related to rape. a war that is justified is not murder. and in the case of iraq it is not rape since we are there with the pre text of helping the citizens

I think you are one of those 65%, you are someone that simply can not help.

Do you honestly believe we are in Iraq to help its citizens? If this is true how are we helping them? By killing 3,000 of them a month, by removing their access to basic utilities such as electricity and clean water, completely ruining their economy, and then allowing a perfectly stable country to errupt into a civil war where millions could die?

Delusional, how can you possibly support this war after everything that has happened. If you think Iraq is now such a great place to live do us all a favor by packing your bags and moving over there.

 

[delusional]

i said that was one of the intentions, didnt say it was hapening. correct me if im wrong but doesnt the neoconservative thinktank say that every war since the war of 1812 there have been no fighting between democracies. so its best to spread democracy around the world to achieve peace.
and when did i say i supported the war? i dont support packing up our bags and leaving since then it would truly become a civil war.

 

[Raeven0]

Someone needs to inform you that ends don't justify means.

 

[delusional]

did i say i was neoconservative.
i was merely stating neoconservative thought. you cant not like something if you dont know what it is

 

[Raeven0]

I can very well not like your perception that the mass slaying of innocent civilians (read: war) is somehow okay and not at all comparable to rape or murder.

 

[delusional]

is the us military going around killing every citizen they see and tell me that massacre thing since that is murder. since last time i heard it was insurgents doing the killing.

 

[hari66]

so its best to spread democracy around the world to achieve peace.

Cant see your neo-con friends spreading democracy in Saudi-Arabia or Pakistan.

and in the case of iraq it is not rape since we are there with the pre text of helping the citizens

'pretext' is right!!!

not all wars are murder or rape,

proof?
Man,even the idealised wars of hindu mythology are full of murder and rape.

__________________

 

[delusional]

how many times do i have to say im not a ****ing neocon
was the revolutionary war and both world wars justified. is it murder to defend yourself? self defense is legal and isnt considered murder.

 

[15357]

proof?

The 3-hour war (1956.6.17) had no time for any rape.


Anyway, war isn't that bad, when you win it.

 

[CptStern]

how many times do i have to say im not a ****ing neocon
was the revolutionary war and both world wars justified. is it murder to defend yourself? self defense is legal and isnt considered murder.

invading iraq had nothing to do with self defense ..in a court of law it's more like pre-meditated murder

is the us military going around killing every citizen they see and tell me that massacre thing since that is murder. since last time i heard it was insurgents doing the killing.

not all

Violent deaths were mainly attributed to coalition forces - and most individuals reportedly killed were women and children.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3962969.stm

there's tons of stories of individual/groups of US soldiers who have raped and murdered innocent civilians ..from the Hadditha massacre, to the planned rape and murder of a 14 year old iraqi girl ..but the majority of civilian deaths caused by coalition forces is due to bombing of civilian areas

 

[kirovman]

I heard that if the Americans figure out there's a sniper in a town, they order an artillery strike to level the town. :O

 

[Black_Wolf]

yes I heard they turn dead iragis into soap........

 

[Raeven0]

was the revolutionary war and both world wars justified.

War is never good, even if it's sometimes--rarely--necessary.

 

[delusional]

i never attempted to justify the war in iraq so there.
ill keep the analogy of war and murder up just for you raevan0. ok you see a friend being raped would it be justified to go in stop the rapist then once you stop them charge them for their crimes and rehabilitate them. which is exactly what happened during both world wars, germany was raping france and england so the US stepped in and stopped the rape from occuring. is that a justified war?

 

[Raeven0]

I'm not sure what you're talking about anymore.

Initial premise:

not all wars are murder or rape

All war is murder and rape. All war is bad, even if justified.

 

[Stigmata]

i never attempted to justify the war in iraq so there.
ill keep the analogy of war and murder up just for you raevan0. ok you see a friend being raped would it be justified to go in stop the rapist then once you stop them charge them for their crimes and rehabilitate them. which is exactly what happened during both world wars, germany was raping france and england so the US stepped in and stopped the rape from occuring. is that a justified war?

Analogy as proof = lose.

Besides which, it's a flawed analogy. Maybe if you were extrapolating the punishment against one case of rape to that against ten million cases of rape, you'd have a valid analogy (which still does not actually prove anything). But on top of that, you've equated rape to murder, which automatically makes your analogy invalid.

Don't use another analogy when you're trying to justify something. It may seem like a good idea, but it's not logical.

 

[delusional]

i know that but all im trying to say is that not all wars are murder and rape because equating war to murder and rape is flawed because there are exeptions and not they arent the same.
raevan0 here doesnt seem to know what murder is since my main point was that a justified war is not murder or rape since there is something called self defence and the only time war=rape is during imperialism

 

[CptStern]

i know that but all im trying to say is that not all wars are murder and rape because equating war to murder and rape is flawed because there are exeptions and not they arent the same.
raevan0 here doesnt seem to know what murder is since my main point was that a justified war is not murder or rape since there is something called self defence and the only time war=rape is during imperialism

well when it comes to iraq it IS murder and rape ....there is no hope in hell of anyone could ever justify iraq: there's no self defense here ..just intentional murder

 

[delusional]

id say more like second degree murder since its not intentional. but whos to say saddam wasnt murdering or raping his people.
EDIT: i mean manslaughter not second degree

 

[Sulkdodds]

Amusingly, this poll would appear to suggest that most republicans really are idiots. I thought that was a gross generalisation, but 65% is a majority, and I think 'idiot' is a pretty good description for someone who persistently ignores the facts after they are made very clear and have remained so for several years.