Zombine Grenade Behaviour

[Sliver Slave]

So, the grenade wielding of the zombines is very fun and original-ish, especially the way they just club you with the grenades instead of throwing them. Thing is, if we assume that they work like human grenades in that you have to twist or pull something off of them (such as a pin) to activate them, why don't the zombies throw them? If they can pull a pin, surely they can toss? And why activate it at all if you're just going to club someone? If they somehow realise that pulling pin=BOOM BOOM, why don't they realise that holding onto grenade=ME GO BOOM BOOM? Or if the grenades activate by gripping them in a certain way (just came up with that, no sources), why wouldn't the elongated claws get in the way? While zombines may be a great enemy, and have a very interesting behaviour, they make no sense to me.

 

[Vegeta897]

Perhaps they don't have the dexterity to accurately throw a grenade, so they figure they have a better shot at just holding onto it and getting close to you.

 

[kineaesth]

You're missing a lot of stuff. First, the zombies do pull the pins on their grenades. Second, they're ****ing zombies. There's a little spark of combine soldier programming in there that makes them pull out their grenades, and the rest of their intelligence is headcrab motives - swipe swipe kill mother****er.

 

[Sliver Slave]

If they know enough to pull a pin, why don't they know enough to toss it?

 

[kineaesth]

In the spirit of repeating what we've already said...

There's a little spark of combine soldier programming in there that makes them pull out their grenades, and the rest of their intelligence is headcrab motives - swipe swipe kill mother****er.

 

[Vegeta897]

BUT POISON ZOMBIES KNOW HOW TO THROW HEADCRABS KA

WHAT THE FAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACk

 

[kineaesth]

You've defeated me.

I guess poison zambies reckon that being thrown at people is a good idea I guess.

 

[Sliver Slave]

In the spirit of repeating what we've already said...

I can get that they'd have enough combine stuff left to pull out a grenade, but again, why don't they have enough to toss it?

 

[G(ordon)-man]

Kamikaze. Only viable explanation.

 

[AJ Rimmer]

Maybe the grenades are attached to their suits, so when the zombine pulls the grenade away, it automatically pulls the pin. This would require the zombine's thought process to be a comparatively primitive "hit nasty man with crowbar with big heavy thing near my waist".

 

[lefty]

not exactly on-topic but did you know you can use E to pick up grenades and click to throw them? I don't remember if you can grab them out of the zombie's hands that way or if the gravity gun is necessary to do that.

 

[the cow says moo]

Since when have zombies needed a reason to do anything?

Lefty, I know for a fact that you can grab a grenade out of a zombine's hands with the gravity gun, because I've done it dozens of times myself.

 

[Sliver Slave]

Yes, you can grab the grenades out, but this strange behaviour still perplexes me.

 

[kupocake]

BUT POISON ZOMBIES KNOW HOW TO THROW HEADCRABS KA

WHAT THE FAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACk

The Poisoncrabs mostly just jump off though. They just use the Zombie's shaking around as a spring board

The Zombies actions are like its speech: bits and pieces of human-combine speech spark through as they run at you. Just like they can't string together a full sentence over the radio explaining the enemies they've encountered (I believe they say only 'necrotics'), they can't string together the grammar of grenade throwing.

Also, it's because it's a game where 11 different weapons and surplus ammunition can be carried by a single 30-something male in a robotic suit.

 

[Pesmerga]

Maybe they're really just trying to give you a hug, but it's so dark they need the red light from a grenade.

 

[nightlord]

they have no head anymore, maybe that has something to do with them not throwing it?

 

[Farrowlesparrow]

I've always thought that it was because they retained some of their sentience as Combine, and the action is not only homicidal but suicidal.

Spermicidal :arms:

 

[Mech Man]

The Zombies actions are like its speech: bits and pieces of human-combine speech spark through as they run at you. Just like they can't string together a full sentence over the radio explaining the enemies they've encountered (I believe they say only 'necrotics')

Actually they can say sentences. The few I have heard are "necrotics inbound" "area.... is not secure" and "infestation something or other". Aww they think they're people.

 

[lefty]

Since when have zombies needed a reason to do anything?

Lefty, I know for a fact that you can grab a grenade out of a zombine's hands with the gravity gun, because I've done it dozens of times myself.

Yes I said that, I was wondering if you could grab them out of zombies' hands using E.

 

[Sliver Slave]

Actually they can say sentences. The few I have heard are "necrotics inbound" "area.... is not secure" and "infestation something or other". Aww they think they're people.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bhLdYAjRCG4

Here is a video of all zombine radio chatter.

 

[Mech Man]

That made me lol a little. But I could have sworn they said it faster in-game , unless I am making stuff up again.

 

[eger_666]

About Sliver Slave's video:
Very informative dialogs

 

[the cow says moo]

Originally Posted by Mech Man
Aww they think they're people.

I lol'd to that and the video.

 

[Iron Kat]

I found that video somewhat disturbing! Also I could only make out "necrotics imbound" and "area...is not secure".

 

[Sliver Slave]

About Sliver Slave's video:
Very informative dialogs

I didn't mkae the video, just found it. Also, i actually heard one say 'necrotics inbound" in the game.

 

[MattyDienhoff]

Also, it's because it's a game where 11 different weapons and surplus ammunition can be carried by a single 30-something male in a robotic suit.

What does marital status have to do with carrying capacity?

 

[kupocake]

What does marital status have to do with carrying capacity?

Men always drag their wives along to warzones and get them to carry stuff. It's the direct gender opposite of going shopping.

 

[MattyDienhoff]

 

[Sticky_Mick]

Maybe these "Zombines" are politicians. They also have the wherewithal to start a job, but for the life of everyone there's no explanation for them not being able to finish it off properly.

 

[G(ordon)-man]

Maybe these "Sticky_Mick"s are diggers?

 

[LandStander]

The think the zombies/zombines have some of their former selves intact (zombies plead[to God?] zombines spout combine jargon) So Grabbing the grenade is something the zombine is consciously doing because A. it knows it does will damage it's enemies and/or B. it knows it will end it's own pitiful existence.

 

[Officer Combine]

The think the zombies/zombines have some of their former selves intact (zombies plead[to God?] zombines spout combine jargon) So Grabbing the grenade is something the zombine is consciously doing because A. it knows it does will damage it's enemies and/or B. it knows it will end it's own pitiful existence.

X out B. They would have already done it before Gordon got there.

 

[coheedswicked]

no the zombine doesnt have a brain because its entire head is gone... therefore it can be summed up to say that a headcrab does not have sufficient intellegence to use a grenade effecively... simple as that

 

[Officer Combine]

no the zombine doesnt have a brain because its entire head is gone... therefore it can be summed up to say that a headcrab does not have sufficient intellegence to use a grenade effecively... simple as that

OBJECTION. The head is not gone. Who ever said it was? Haven't you ever killed one with a headshot?

 

[the cow says moo]

The top of the zombine's head is gone if you shoot off the headcrab.

 

[Cpt Tenacious]

You're missing a lot of stuff. First, the zombies do pull the pins on their grenades. Second, they're ****ing zombies. There's a little spark of combine soldier programming in there that makes them pull out their grenades, and the rest of their intelligence is headcrab motives - swipe swipe kill mother****er.

No, you're missing a lot of stuf. First, NO ONE GIVES A SHIT IT'S A VIDYA GAME.

 

[kineaesth]

No, you're missing a lot of stuf. First, NO ONE GIVES A SHIT IT'S A VIDYA GAME.

What a silly, ignorant child you are. Why do you think we're on this forum? Would we really be posting here if everything about Half Life 2 could be explained with 'it's just a video game, lol'?

Clearly there are some mechanics that are essential to the game, or even the first person shooter genre over all, that can be explained like this, however you're seriously foolish if you think we should explain every intricacy of Half Life 2 with 'LOL IT'S A GAME'.

 

[the cow says moo]

Let's not get into this argument again.

 

[LandStander]

no the zombine doesnt have a brain because its entire head is gone... therefore it can be summed up to say that a headcrab does not have sufficient intellegence to use a grenade effecively... simple as that

Perhaps the the headcrab bites off the head of the soldier before he is shot off...

 

[Officer Combine]

Well, my point is that the headcrab has control over the brain, but not total control. They can think and feel self pity, but they cannot control what they do.