PC Gamer UK reviews: fallout 3, dead space and more!

[Deleted member 56031]

I only just got it and haven't read it yet but here is a summary of the main ones I noticed:
world of goo 93%
fallout 3 90%
dead space 86%
lego batman 85%
multiwinia 79%
peggle nights 66%
X3 terran conflict 60%

 

[Kyorisu]

Dead Space 86% What exactly is meant to be wrong with this game?

 

[Eejit]

Isn't 86% kinda good?

 

[Dynasty]

If a game pushes 90% in PCGamer, they say its pushing the genre forward in some way.

86% means its a damn good game in its genre, but doesnt really break new ground.

 

[Deleted member 56031]

I never knew 86% was a bad score

 

[Tagaziel]

Tell me, does the FO3 review mention any of the game's flaws, like animation, lousy textures, poor colour palette, inconsistent, retarded plot and design choices and above all, does it compare it to the previous titles at all?

 

[Paulaner]

Tell me, does the FO3 review mention any of the game's flaws, like animation, lousy textures, poor colour palette, inconsistent, retarded plot and design choices and above all, does it compare it to the previous titles at all?

You want this game to fail so badly, don't you?

 

[Kyorisu]

You want this game to fail so badly, don't you?

That's just it. He's being such a dick I want the game to sell a million units at the minimum. Hell Oblivion sold 1.5 mill on the xbox.

 

[Tagaziel]

Yes, I want it to fail. It's an insult to the Fallout name.

 

[Kyorisu]

My care-o-meter must be broken again. Bitching about it here won't help.

If a game pushes 90% in PCGamer, they say its pushing the genre forward in some way.

86% means its a damn good game in its genre, but doesnt really break new ground.

Cutting zombie things limb from limb is pretty ground breaking to me as it's a required mechanic to win rather than a feature.

 

[Asknoone]

Feel free to shut the **** up, both of you.

 

[Warbie]

Tell me, does the FO3 review mention any of the game's flaws, like animation, lousy textures, poor colour palette, inconsistent, retarded plot and design choices and above all, does it compare it to the previous titles at all?

So critical of Fallout 3, yet blind to the obvious deficiencies of other games. Take Stalker - good in parts, but so unpolished (verging on cheap/tacky), bug-ridden, and with pitiful combat.

It's easy to forgive the niggles when what we want to see - and I see quite alot in Fallout 3 that looks fun.

 

[Tagaziel]

STALKER's redeeming quality is it's unique world and atmosphere.

Fallout 3 doesn't have a redeeming quality, because it isn't a proper sequel to FO3. If it wasn't marketed as one, but rather as a spin-off shooter, that'd be a different pair of brahmin.

Seriously, if I hear "sequel to a retrofuturistic post nuclear isometric RPG game recreating P&P RPGs", I expect to get a retrofuturistic post nuclear isometric RPG game recreating P&P RPG, not a shooter loosely based on the preceding titles.

 

[comoxer]

So, Lego Batman ehy? Ive never understood the appeal of the Lego games, baring in mind there all aimed at kids but with 85%, must be pretty decent.

 

[Warbie]

Edge roasted Lego Batman - 4/10. Devoid the humour found in the others.

 

[Lucid]

Awww, X3 Terran Conflict is a 60%? What the hell.

Let me guess, too much of a learning curve for them? Too buggy? Shitty story that you don't really need to follow?

 

[Deleted member 56031]

Still haven't read the magazine in full yet but they did like fallout and said it was worthy of it's name.

 

[Paulaner]

Awww, X3 Terran Conflict is a 60%? What the hell.

Let me guess, too much of a learning curve for them? Too buggy? Shitty story that you don't really need to follow?

No surprise. I have yet to buy and play it but, let's face it, the X games have always been treated as niche games. Too much to learn, too much to think, pace too slow, too much freedom. Wait: are these pros or cons?

 

[Kadayi]

90% for fallout 3, that's a better score than I imagined tbh. I thought it would get 80% or something. I was thinking I might wait for a bit, but I guess it might now become an end of month purchase.

 

[Krynn72]

I fully expected Fallout to get A/A+ scores from reviewers.

 

[Gargantou]

It's no surprise considering the score they gave Oblivion, since Fallout 3 is basically Oblivion with Guns in Post-Apocalyptic world.

 

[Deleted member 56031]

They specifically said it's not oblivion with guns

don't believe them though. I fully expected this game to get A+ reviews regardless of dumbed down TES/Fallout gameplay to appeal to the masses but now I am sticking my toe into controversial waters.

 

[Bad^Hat]

http://www.gamerankings.com/htmlpages2/924363.asp?q=oblivion

Nuff said.

 

[Krynn72]

Ive found reader reviews to generally be much more representative of the game. Professional reviewers always get wrapped up in the hype, and their views always get skewed by that. And on the whole, Oblivion gets usually 10+ points lower (out of 100) in customer reviews than professional reviews. And I think ~80% is what Oblivion deserves.

 

[RyanG]

It's no surprise considering the score they gave Oblivion, since Fallout 3 is basically Oblivion with Guns in Post-Apocalyptic world.

Is that a diss? It sounds great to me. :thumbs:

 

[Deleted member 56031]

Ive found reader reviews to generally be much more representative of the game. Professional reviewers always get wrapped up in the hype, and their views always get skewed by that. And on the whole, Oblivion gets usually 10+ points lower (out of 100) in customer reviews than professional reviews. And I think ~80% is what Oblivion deserves.

True dat. It's strange you would have thought it was the other way round but it's not although some people are like the reviewers and do get caught up in hype.

 

[Mirage]

After hearing so much about how crap the plot is in FO3, it makes me want to experience it even MORE for some reason. I mean, if the story is THAT bad, it's bound to entertaining on some level, I'd imagine.

 

[Eejit]

I don't know to what extent the complaints about the plot will even be apparent to non-hardcore Fallout fans.

 

[Gargantou]

I don't know to what extent the complaints about the plot will even be apparent to non-hardcore Fallout fans.

You don't have to be a hardcore Fallout fan, the plotholes will be apparent to anyone who paid attention to the stories of the previous Fallout games, I know since I've played through Fallout 3.

 

[Mirage]

Well, there is the "inconsistent" thing, supposedly. But I don't know if that has to do with being inconsistent with the rest of the series or inconsistent within the game itself, or both.

 

[Gargantou]

I haven't noticed any major inconsistencies within the games own story, but I have noted quite a few when it comes to overall canon.

 

[Warbie]

True dat. It's strange you would have thought it was the other way round but it's not although some people are like the reviewers and do get caught up in hype.

I think most reviewers - decent ones anyway - aren't so swayed by personal taste. They don't/shouldn't have a check list of personal expectations which has to be met for a game to be classified as 'good'. This isn't the case with the majority of user reviews we read on the internet.

Oblivion is a good game - compare it to every other title out there and it's much, much better than the majority. It didn't give some people what they expected, though, and even messed with the (crap, imo ) TES lore, which is why you see it occasionally get slated on gaming forums. Despite some flaws, most people had fun running about killing goblins, stealing stuff and being an assassin.

 

[Paulaner]

I haven't noticed any major inconsistencies within the games own story, but I have noted quite a few when it comes to overall canon.

The word "canon" reminds me nerdy, overweight, middle-aged Trekkers living in the basement with parents
Canon is good as long as it doesn't become a fetish, or something to revere. It's always good to be open minded and accept changes. We are talking about a game developed by a totally different team, with a totally different gameplay and philosophy. I never expected FO3 to be consistent with FO 1/2. Just an bland inspiration. Take it this way and you'll be fine

BTW: I am a trekker too.

 

[Absinthe]

Oblivion is a good game - compare it to every other title out there and it's much, much better than the majority. It didn't give some people what they expected, though, and even messed with the (crap, imo ) TES lore, which is why you see it occasionally get slated on gaming forums. Despite some flaws, most people had fun running about killing goblins, stealing stuff and being an assassin.

This.

I don't understand how people can say Oblivion was terrible. I think it's safe to say that any game that gets good reviews across the board has some redeeming qualities and is definitely being enjoyed by somebody. You can call it a disappointment or flawed, but while I don't consider it to be anywhere near a favorite game of mine, I logged a lot of hours into it and had fun.

It is not the crapsterpiece that so many people on this forum make it out to be.

 

[Gargantou]

I don't think it's crap, I just think it's a decent game, but nowhere near as great as Morrowind.

 

[Tagaziel]

Aye. It's a dumbed down hack'n'slash.

As one of game devs posting on NMA put it, Beth's games are designed to be "frictionless gaming" - made so that the gamer does not encounter any real challenge or (god forbid) has to face actual consequences of his actions.

Which pretty much goes against what RPGs are.

Canon is good as long as it doesn't become a fetish, or something to revere. It's always good to be open minded and accept changes. We are talking about a game developed by a totally different team, with a totally different gameplay and philosophy. I never expected FO3 to be consistent with FO 1/2. Just an bland inspiration. Take it this way and you'll be fine

No, I'm not okay with this. If it wasn't marketed as a sequel, fine, it'd go in the same bin as FOT and FOBOS: trash. But since it doesn't...

And ask yourself, is it really that hard to stay true to preceding games if you have a ****ing encyclopaedia devoeted to outlining what's canonical?

 

[Eejit]

Game devs do this to IPs all the time, how are you not used to it yet?

 

[Tagaziel]

Game devs do this to IPs all the time, how are you not used to it yet?

Because I have standards and buy games where devs respect the lore.

Like Valve. <3 Valve.

 

[Paulaner]

And ask yourself, is it really that hard to stay true to preceding games if you have a ****ing encyclopaedia devoeted to outlining what's canonical?

I cannot answer your question because I don't know what the plot holes are in FO3 and why they are there (deliberate artistical choices or simple neglet). I'll let you know as soon as I play the thing.

A quick thought: I wouldn't be in Deus Ex 3 developers' shoes...

 

[Eejit]

I notice the C&C wiki in your sig Mikael