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Ruroni, I'm afraid I must chime in here... I don't want to tell you what to do, but I'm hoping I can somewhat influence your decision. Here are a few things you should take into consideration: - VALVe's livelihood is based on making games. - The hacker is in no way innocent. When you...

Do what's right, Sir.

According to a source I read, the Havok physics code is only about 80% there, because Havok does not release their full set of code with their license. That said, there will still be procedural calls and references in the HL2 source code that will call on specific algorithms, etc. in the Havok...

Look, guys...I know obtaining the code may be tempting, but you're hurting VALVe here. The more it gets distributed, the more chance there will be for hacks, and for other less-virtuous developers to steal code from VALVe. With that, I'm making a plea to you to voluntarily stop downloading...

This is definitely a bad time for developers in the industry. Good luck, VALVe - let's find the perpetrators, and stop them from doing this crap again.

Possibly through the e-mail exploit that Munro was trying to warn VALVe about, a disgruntled employee, non-secured servers at VALVe, partnership companies with disgtruntled employees. There are plenty of reasons that a leak of source code is feasible.

If you choose to see negative connotations in his actions, then I can't stop you. I disagree with you, though. I don't believe Munro was an "asshole."

Half-Life 2. You can't objectify women!

Exactly. Coming up with entirely new algorithms for netplay that are completely different than before will cost a lot of time, and a lot of money.

What? It won't be delayed because a major portion of their code has been released? They're going to have to come up with something to prevent hacks now. Or come up with something to ensure that their intellectual property is protected. This is bad, no matter what.

What? Munro was trying to *help* VALVe... Perhaps he could have done it in a more secretive manner, but he's not a jerk for doing that...

Argh. Think about the ramifications of this leak, though. The original HL source code hasn't even been released. And now, people have HL2's...

Guys...if HL2 gets delayed, you're only contributing to the problem.

I think it says somewhere in these forums that Doug Lombardi confirmed that was HL2 source code. This would be quite an elabourate hoax, too... I think it is real. And therefore, this is very, very bad. If you find the source code...don't download it, don't spread it, don't tell others...

...thereby potentially ruining his/her livelihood?

Whether or not it is old, it doesn't matter. Hackers will have a headstart if they have a rudimentary understanding of the engine code. And as I said...nobody is stupid enough to use an outdated Source engine for their game, but what is to stop them from taking bits and pieces of...

Do you think that's going to stop people from looking in the code, prying things apart, and just copying and pasting? Sure, they might not use *Source* per se, but release a "new" engine that has a great deal of Source in it.

a.) Hacks. b.) VALVe loses TONS of money because Source no longer needs to be licensed. Consequently, if they choose to take action on this, it'll mean a HUGE delay of HL2.

Oh, man...this is so bad. So, so, so bad.

It's just courtesy. Anyhow...don't worry about it. It wasn't even that big. Edit: For those of you that misunderstand...I said in no way that you *had* to get permission, it's just polite to. (And we should all strive to be more polite.)