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they said it should take less time actually

that's a cruel joke man, lol

doesn't an Svideo cable work?

eh... what exactly do you dislike about them? they install just like nvidia's drivers and they don't cheat, they're rock solid, and even if there was some small thing you didn't like about how they installed or something, would that really be enough to keep you away from them, despite all their...

yeah, i'm running it at absolute defaults, that mean 640x480 on my 9800 Pro, and i get 35-42fps, how far did you OC that card man?

there's no reason to hate ATI this go around, they've done everything right, from architecture, to IQ, to performance, to drivers, they've nailed it all edit: ouch, you actually shelled out money for a 5200? what a waste

good lord, are you sure those are default settings? how far did you OC that card? this is what i got with default settings on my 9800 Pro

*wankingwankingwankingwank....* wha..?

i'm getting around 35-42fps with my 9800 Pro at absolute default settings without even moving my mouse over the thing

i have a wireless optical mouse, and no, as long as you don't stick a 3 foot think lead barrier in between the 2, it won't mess it up

you produced one benchmark of an engine that John Carmack himself said he had to lower the color precision of nvidia hardware to 16bit and even 12bit integer precision to get them playable, while the radeons are running on the current standard, 24bit that's not an equal comparison. i can...

the 9800 Pro doesn't suck at maya, why not get the sure bet instead of hoping that nvidia has some magical drivers?

believe us, we're not ATI fanboys, we really don't want to see you make such a bad decision the surrounding controversy around the whole thing should be enough to shy away any buyer from Nvidia right now. look at ATI and its DX 9 cards. there have been no controversies, no accusations of...

i'd get the 9500 Pro, it's a better card all around

if you read the articles concerning this, valve stated their reasons why they didn't use them, they contained HL2 specific optimizations and lowered quality to below DX 9 standards and then tried to pass it off as fully DX 9 dude, it's been known for a long time that nvidia lost this round...

no, they don't, there's less than a 5% discrepency between they're range of catalysts, from 3.2 to 3.7 and those drivers tested were the newest ones put out by nvidia

dude, believe us, we really don't want you to make a bad purchase decision, we care about what you buy, we don't want you to be unhappy with it (and for the record they did test the 9800 Pro against the 5900U in DX 8.1 mode, they performed evenly, but in DX 9 mode, nvidia got creamed, it doesn't...

yes, but please, read the links i provided, i really don't want you to spend all that money on a card and then realize nvidia either cheated to get it running somewhere close to playable in DX 9 or that it's unplayable at all in DX 9

really, the only viable DX 9 choice now are ATI cards, whether it be mainstream or high end

i don't think anybody can honestly recommend an FX card right now, ESPECIALLY not a 5800 :dork: