4 killed when Israeli bomb hits U.N. post

[Ome_Vince]

-Sure

-It is indeed a concern, and i am indeed interested to know what really happened, though due to the Hezbollah being known (and in this case) to set up office litterly next to UN positions as strategy so Israel cannot return fire is kind of arguing for a friendly fire incident.
Considering how many friendly fire accidents happen in wars, atm, until further investigation i'm giving it the benefit of the doubt.
It also doesnt make sense why Israel all of a sudden attack UN outposts, not gaining them anything only deteriorating their "reputation".

 

[CptStern]

they've attacked western peacekeepers before:

The King David Hotel bombing (July 22, 1946) was a bombing attack against the British government of Palestine by members of Irgun —a militant Zionist organization.

The Irgun, dressed as Arabs, exploded a bomb at the King David Hotel in Jerusalem, which had been the base for the British Secretariat, the military command and a branch of the Criminal Investigation Division (police). 91 people were killed, most of them civilians: 28 British, 41 Arab, 17 Jewish, and 5 other. Around 45 people were injured.

The attack was initially ordered by Menachem Begin, the head of the Irgun, who would later become Israeli Prime Minister.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_David_Hotel_bombing

it's not outside the scope of possibility ...it's also lent more credence due to the fact that the UN's secretary general has publically stated that it was deliberate ..that in itself is telling because he wouldnt have said it unless he had a reason to

 

[Nemesis6]

http://www.israellycool.com/flags.jpg

That's a picture of a U.N outpost in Lebanon. Make of it what you will. Just to avoid confusion: The flag on the right is that of HizbAllah.

 

[CptStern]

the outpost has been there since 1978, there's no mistaking it for a hezbollah outpost ..not too mention the UN observers were in constant communication with the israeli military up until they were killed

btw that link is propagandist nonsense:

At worst, it could show that UN observers have been actively cooperating with Hizbullah.

ya that must be it :upstare:

 

[Nemesis6]

Well, you know, they've done it before. 3 soldiers were killed because of it.

 

[CptStern]

done what before? you're saying the UN collaborated with hezbollah?

 

[Nemesis6]

Yes. http://judaism.about.com/library/1_terrorism/bl_hardov_un.htm

 

[CptStern]

how is that collaborating? it's not like they carried out the kidnapping themselves , nor did they provide any aid to the kidnappers

 

[dys4iK]

It would explain why Isreal doesn't really trust the UN, though. Aside from their long and varied history with the UN...

 

[Maxi]

Nemesis, you are really streatching for straws.

 

[Nemesis6]

Stretching for straws... That's a new one.

 

[Maxi]

Stretching for straws... That's a new one.

New one? it's an old expression.

 

[Ome_Vince]

they've attacked western peacekeepers before:

Escuse me? That was when Palestine was under British Mandate, the Brits were no peacekeepers dude.

You're taking a 1947 bombing of a hotel by a zionist terrorist organisation as reference to Israel's bombing of the UN peacekeepers today?

I've read the UN statement, and they're mainly focussing on the telephone calls made to the Israeli army.
Yet, it still is more likely a cluster**** screw-up, since miscommunication and friendly fire still kills alot of people (look at the beginning of the Iraq war => the casualties).

The reason the IDF gets my benifit of the doubt, is not because i was there, or know all the little facts, but because it doesnt make any sense why Israel would deliberatly bomb the UN. And above that, the fact Hezbollah builds outposts next to the UN outposts to avoid being fired upon tells me fire is drawn to them.
Especially when i read before the UN got bombed very near to them there was a fierce battle with Hezbollah.

The IDF is using cannons to shoot at flies, a stupid tactic, and no surprise these things happen.

 

[CptStern]

Escuse me? That was when Palestine was under British Mandate, the Brits were no peacekeepers dude.

You're taking a 1947 bombing of a hotel by a zionist terrorist organisation as reference to Israel's bombing of the UN peacekeepers today?

try to read between the lines ..that terrorist organisation included Binyamin Netanyahu former Prime Minster of Israel (also UN ambassador and Foreign Minister) ..he's even unrepetant to this day (probably because he's a terrorist, but of course I'm sure I'll hear denials) ..obviously it speaks volumes that the terrorists responsible for one of the deadliest attacks against foreigners also happen to hold political office for many years

In July 2006, right-wing Israelis including Binyamin Netanyahu attended a 60th anniversary celebration of the bombing, which was organized by the Menachem Begin Centre. The British Ambassador in Tel Aviv and the Consul-General in Jerusalem complained, saying "We do not think that it is right for an act of terrorism, which led to the loss of many lives, to be commemorated.".

I've read the UN statement, and they're mainly focussing on the telephone calls made to the Israeli army.

repeating over and over again that they were going to be hit ..obviously they ignored it

Yet, it still is more likely a cluster**** screw-up, since miscommunication and friendly fire still kills alot of people (look at the beginning of the Iraq war => the casualties).

The reason the IDF gets my benifit of the doubt, is not because i was there, or know all the little facts, but because it doesnt make any sense why Israel would deliberatly bomb the UN. And above that, the fact Hezbollah builds outposts next to the UN outposts to avoid being fired upon tells me fire is drawn to them.
Especially when i read before the UN got bombed very near to them there was a fierce battle with Hezbollah.

they were in the bunker because of heavy fire AFTER they asked for the barrage to stop ..Irael could have easily waited till they evacuted

The IDF is using cannons to shoot at flies, a stupid tactic, and no surprise these things happen.

they were hitting the area with artillery ..there was a single precision bomb used ..it was the fatal one

 

[Raziaar]

Terrible Israel can do what they need to do without being so reckless.

 

[Nemesis6]

Well that's just it: When Israel sends in troops/soldiers, it's because bombing would result in too much civilian casualties. It's hopeless to use any other tactic when it comes to hit-and-run Katyusha/Qassam fire: By the time troops will get there, they'll be gone, and soldiers will be exposed to whatever the hell the enemy might take initiative to throw at them.

 

[CptStern]

so in other words lebanese civilians (who have nothing to do with hezbollah) dying is regrettable but necessary?

 

[Ome_Vince]

try to read between the lines ..that terrorist organisation included Binyamin Netanyahu former Prime Minster of Israel (also UN ambassador and Foreign Minister) ..he's even unrepetant to this day (probably because he's a terrorist, but of course I'm sure I'll hear denials) ..obviously it speaks volumes that the terrorists responsible for one of the deadliest attacks against foreigners also happen to hold political office for many years

Still, it wasnt a peacekeeping force, what am i suppost to read between the lines?
That because Netanyahu was part of that organisation that bombed the British, Israel bombs the UN peacekeeping force in Lebanon?
Seriously, i'm not trying to redicule, i just have no idea where you're going with this.

On the subject of terrorists turning into leaders, our two-face friend Arafat was first PLO, then leading the palestinians, and still funded suicide attacks.
Weird but true, it seems common for the area.

repeating over and over again that they were going to be hit ..obviously they ignored it
they were in the bunker because of heavy fire AFTER they asked for the barrage to stop ..Irael could have easily waited till they evacuted
they were hitting the area with artillery ..there was a single precision bomb used ..it was the fatal one

It was the messiest and heaviest fighting:

More than 150 rockets hit Israel in 24 hours

The Israeli military and Hezbollah fighters exchanged heavy fire around three border towns in southern Lebanon on Thursday as rockets rained on northern Israel.

Source

I also cant find any sources claiming only 1 precision bomb was dropped, they all refer to just "the area being heavily bombarded".

All in all, friendly-fire makes much more sense than deliberate, there is no plausible motive, or any advantage for Israel.