40 Iraqis slaughtered at wedding festival

[BabyHeadCrab]

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20040519/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq_attack_4

By Chopper attack...

keep discussion clean and flame free

 

[blahblahblah]

*Comes in*

What are they doing having a wedding at 2:45 in the morning? And it was in a remote desert locale? Something doesn't seem right to me.

*leaves*

 

[mortiz]

Perhaps it was a party? Party's sometimes have a tendency to go on into the early hours of the morning. Also most of Iraq is desert, obviously people are going to be living in those area's, plus they probably assumed it was a lot safer than the towns and cities.

 

[Shuzer]

"Al-Ani said people at the wedding fired weapons in the air, and that American troops came to investigate and left. However, al-Ani said, helicopters attacked the area at about 3 a.m. Two houses were destroyed, he said."

Well, something doesn't add up there

 

[CptStern]

extremely bad timing considering there are new abuse photos that have surfaced and should be shown publically soon

what's interesting is that the US army investigated when they heard/saw gunfire, but didnt do anything about till hours later:

"Al-Ani said people at the wedding fired weapons in the air, and that American troops came to investigate and left. However, al-Ani said, helicopters attacked the area at about 3 a.m. Two houses were destroyed, he said. "

edit: heh Shuzer beat me to it

 

[Epyon]

Oh god, not another one of these war threads were the US kill a bunch of iraqi's....... im leaveing.

 

[Gorgon]

"Al-Ani said people at the wedding fired weapons in the air, and that American troops came to investigate and left. However, al-Ani said, helicopters attacked the area at about 3 a.m. Two houses were destroyed, he said."

Well, something doesn't add up there

I think I read somewhere that Iraqis Celebrate weddings and other happy things with Firing weapons in the air..........something like Fireworks in the UK and other parts of the world.

 

[CptStern]

Oh god, not another one of these war threads were the US kill a bunch of iraqi's....... im leaveing.

ah you're always leaving, but then you come back...leave come back leave come back, close the damn door already it's getting draft-y in here :hmph:

 

[CptStern]

I think I read somewhere that Iraqis Celebrate weddings and other happy things with Firing weapons in the air..........something like Fireworks in the UK and other parts of the world.

most of the middle east does this (and texans )

 

[mortiz]

Personally if this pans out that this was just a wedding party and the American's use the excuse that they mistook the celebratory gun fire for real gun fire directed at them EVEN AFTER they investigated it, those involved could be in some deep shit. These soldiers in Iraq should be accustomed with Arab traditions and rituals.

 

[Zerimski]

Oh god, not another one of these war threads were the US kill a bunch of iraqi's....... im leaveing.

...As opposed to the other kind of war thread?

 

[Epyon]

...As opposed to the other kind of war thread?

Yes, you know, the other war thread where the US kills a lot of iraqi's........ok.............and yeah, im back.

 

[Javert]

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20040519/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq_attack_4

By Chopper attack...

keep discussion clean and flame free

You post this and expect "flame free"?

I think every American soldier on foreign ground, read a manual of cultures, traditions, and values of the country they're based at. Firing weapons in the air is a celebratory gesture, akin to fireworks (as also noted by G0rgon).
I'm VERY disappointed.

"Al-Ani said people at the wedding fired weapons in the air, and that American troops came to investigate and left. However, al-Ani said, helicopters attacked the area at about 3 a.m. Two houses were destroyed, he said."

Yeah, either something wrong or very bad communications.

Oh god, not another one of these war threads were the US kill a bunch of iraqi's....... im leaveing

And you came in the first place because?...

 

[GhostValkyrie]

most of the middle east does this (and texans )

I knew someone would say that...which isn't true, Captain.
It looks as though I've proved you wrong.
*fires gun*

 

[Foxtrot]

Wow, not to offend anyone but you must be pretty dumb to find enjoyment/entertainment to firing a gun into the air. It might just be tradition, which is ok I guess.

 

[blahblahblah]

I think every American soldier on foreign ground, read a manual of cultures, traditions, and values of the country they're based at. Firing weapons in the air is a celebratory gesture, akin to fireworks (as also noted by G0rgon).

I'm VERY disappointed.

It is impossible to put somebody's culture, traditions, and values in a little pamplet for somebody to read and understand. It takes years before a person living in Iraq will begin to understand the societal norms that the Iraqi people have.

Even if you could made a manual, it would not fit everybody. That would create stereotypes which is just as bad, if not worse than not understanding a culture.

 

[gh0st]

note to self. dont fire guns into the air when your in a country occupied by another country.

 

[we11er]

I'd have thought a helicopter attack would warrant some strong intelligence/reconaissance before hand. Maybe it wasn't a wedding at all and it's just some Iraqi propaganda. You can't believe anything these days.

 

[CptStern]

oh I see ...it's possible it's iraqi propaganda but not american?

 

[Shuzer]

oh I see ...it's possible it's iraqi propaganda but not american?

..because America would want to make a bad name for themselves by telling lies that it was a wedding? :|

 

[CptStern]

nope that's not what I meant, I'm sure they're working overtime as we speak to come up with plausible excuse

"errrr we thought they were shooting at us"

 

[Foxtrot]

..because America would want to make a bad name for themselves by telling lies that it was a wedding? :|

Hahaha, some people just don't think about what they say.

 

[Foxtrot]

Maybe the helicopters were flying by and one of them was hit, what would you think? Oh it must be a wedding and they are firing their rifles into the air as is tradition in this region of the world.

 

[CptStern]

Maybe the helicopters were flying by and one of them was hit, what would you think? Oh it must be a wedding and they are firing their rifles into the air as is tradition in this region of the world.

you didnt read the report did you? it said they came to investigate found nothing and left...only to return later with helicoptors

 

[Letters]

And that makes perfect sense... :rolling:

 

[mortiz]

It is impossible to put somebody's culture, traditions, and values in a little pamplet for somebody to read and understand. It takes years before a person living in Iraq will begin to understand the societal norms that the Iraqi people have.

Even if you could made a manual, it would not fit everybody. That would create stereotypes which is just as bad, if not worse than not understanding a culture.

I would think the ritual use of firearms in a country would be a pretty important fact to alert armed forces too. Obviously they wouldn't be informed of the traditional dance with the blokes mothering law at the after wedding party.

Also one of the problems is that firing weapons is so enjoyable (to a lot of people anyway). You need look no further than your very own America to see that.

 

[sabre89]

HAHAHAHAH.

/leaves thread

 

[CptStern]

And that makes perfect sense... :rolling:

I didnt write the article, why dont you call the person who did and ask them?

 

[ComradeBadger]

Let's keep this in focus people. People have died, try not to make fun.

 

[Fat Tony!]

poor guys. If you think about it using fireworks is just sending small missiles in the air, so we cant really say they are strange I suppose. Copter pilot was probably just being dumb.

 

[Foxtrot]

So you are telling me the infantry soldiers went to the wedding, had a few drinks, left and went back to base got into some helicopters and flew back to the wedding and killed them all?

 

[gh0st]

poor guys. If you think about it using fireworks is just sending small missiles in the air, so we cant really say they are strange I suppose. Copter pilot was probably just being dumb.

how many people die efrom guns each year.

how many people die from fireworks each year. they are not comparable.

 

[not28]

I think the earth should blow up. That would solve all our problems.

 

[Fat Tony!]

Maybe they cant afford fireworks?? I dont know or care to be honest they can do what they want.

 

[Javert]

I think the earth should blow up. That would solve all our problems.

Well it would certainly get rid of you. :upstare:

It is impossible to put somebody's culture, traditions, and values in a little pamplet for somebody to read and understand. It takes years before a person living in Iraq will begin to understand the societal norms that the Iraqi people have.

There are still fundamental facts concerning religion, RoE, and communication (language) the soldiers should still be aware of. And I never mentioned the manual being little. Thank you.

you didnt read the report did you? it said they came to investigate found nothing and left...only to return later with helicoptors

We have yet to determine whether the troops and helicoptors even communicated with each other. They may have been different squads.

 

[Revisedsoul]

you somewhat make fun at them for using gun fire for cerimonies. but yet england and america use gun fire in times of joys and sorrow.

sorta like 21 gun salute and so on

 

[Moto]

I just want to say that I won't get involved in this because of what happened yesterday. I don't like these kinds of threads, so i'll talk to you guys elsewhere. Thanks.

 

[Adidajs]

that's fine about shooting guns at a wedding, but not when you're in a warzone. not a smart idea. you have a weapon, you are a combatant. The people could have avoided shooting guns while a war is waging in their country. If troops investigated and found a wedding, i doubt they would return guns blazing unless they were CERTAIN that something else was going on.

 

[CptStern]

it was near the Syrian border

 

[Top Secret]

I'll say this:

One, this was an unfortunate thing to happen.

Two, were they REALLY that dumb to think "Hey! There's a war going on and the enemy doesn't know who's who! So I'll just starting shooting my gun in the air! Woohoo!"

It's the same thing with removing the little tabs off of things. Like "Wearing cape does not actually let you fly." We need to filter out the idiots somehow. And tradition or no, if I was in a war zone, I wouldn't be a ****ing idiot and shoot my gun in the air.