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According to this article the 5900 Ultra is better then the 9800 Pro even with 4x FSAA and 8x Aniso on. Wouldn't this mean that the 5900 Ultra is better in Graphics and Performance?

Read article Here.
 
no, it means the article is biased and wrong. Or they did cheap tests.
 
yea i did. Its toms hardware what do you expect?

EDIT- the 9800pro 128 scored higher in most of the games anyways with 1024x768


fps isnt everything....
 
I also found these.




NVIDIA GeForce™ FX 5900 Ultra 256MB 8x AGP w/DVI & S-Video

Specifications

Name: NVIDIA® GeForce™ FX 5900 Ultra

GPU Speed: 450 MHz

Memory Configuration: 256 MB 425 MHz DDR

Interface: AGP 4x/8x

Graphics Engine: NVIDIA CineFX™ 2.0

Fill Rate: 3.6 Gigatexels/s

Memory Bandwidth: 27.2 GB/Sec

TV-Out Support: Yes

Multiple Display Support: Yes

RAMDAC Speed: Dual 400MHz



ATI RADEON™ 9800 PRO 256MB 8x AGP w/DVI & S-Video

Specifications

Name: ATI® RADEON™ 9800 PRO 256MB

VPU Speed: 380 MHz

Memory Configuration: 256MB 700 MHz DDR

Interface: AGP 4x/8x

Graphics Engine: RADEON 9800 PRO

Fill Rate: 3.2 Gigapixles/s

Memory Bandwidth: 22.6 GB/s

TV-Out Support: Yes

Multiple Display Support: Yes

RAMDAC Speed: 400MHz

Special Features: SMARTSHADER™ 2.1, SMOOTHVISION™ 2.1, HYPER Z™ III, TRUFORM™ 2.0, VIDEOSHADER™
 
your point? We all know the 5900u is faster, dosnt change the fact that 5 fps matters or that the 9800pro has much better filets and better IQ.

Enough of this thread
 
Ok. I wanted to hear people opinions on the matter and state wether the 9800 is better or not and list why. However, I didn't want an ATi fan boy to come in here and only say "Thats biased, wrong and cheap" without stating why.
 
Think what you must, but im not biased nor am i a fanboy. I buy the best top quality parts...i wouldnt have bought an ATi if they werent good genius.

Tomshardware is biased towards intel and Nvidia, even if one is better they are still biased.

For example, Intel's newest cpus are a little better then AMD's yet tomshardware is still biased.

Makes snese? no.

Find more than one site. We already know that for most games the 5900u gets like 0-10 better fps. FPS isnt everythign like i said, especially when its only 0-10.

Its no longer opinion that the 9800pro looks better.
 
Could you explain what makes the 9800 Pro look better?
 
i assume just how its built. Im no video card expert. I will tell you though that when my friend got a 5900u i wanted to see it pretty badly. No doubt its a nice card, but when we compared it to a 9800pro on bf1942...there was no contest. Both cards got 85+fps at every part of the game, and and most parts were 100 or above. Both on high settings, both on 1024x768.

There was just stuff that looked nicer with the 9800pro. But like i said no doubt the 5900u looked good too. The 9800pros picture looks sharper. When you put on AA and AF you can tell an even bigger difference. With AA the 9800pro looked a decent amount nicer. There wasnt really any difference with each card's AF though, IMO.

Both computers were high end, my friend has 2 brothers and we all like computers. They have tons of hardware.

I think you should see each card in person if possible, before you decide for yourself.

EDIT - really dont think it matters, cause when you caught up in the heat of the game you really dont look for which card looks a little better. I guess the reason the the 9800pro looks better made me buy it, but its also cheaper...well usally. Im hearing that the 9800pro will be better for hl2. HL2 is all that matters to me right now.
 
ati has always had higher Image Quality than Nvidia has, although nvidia has improved lately but it's still not upto par.
 
If anything nvidia went down, down with the fx series.
 
9800 > 5900

Technically, mathematically, and sensibly...
 
Originally posted by Pressure
Could you explain what makes the 9800 Pro look better?
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Its actually quite simple:

1)
The 5900 is capable of doing 32fp, 16fp and FX12 as color modes.
The 9800 does everything is 24fp.
Now, you'd think that the 5900 32 looks better then? Yeah it does. But it never use it, it use 16. Thus colors are different, they are higher quality on the 9800.

2)
FSAA. They use different methods. Nvidia FSAA at low (2x/4x) look horrible and blurred compared to ATI at the same mode. HOWEVER once again 5900 is on the paper better than the 9800, it can do supersampling FSAA, which beats the ATI modes (it can do FSAA on alpha textures for instance) technically. But its very slow, and is still beaten by ATI 6x.

3)
Nvidia AF is on the paper better than ATI too. But its not as high quality, ATI AF is much much smoother, and can easily do trilinear (which Nvidia is having... erhm, troubles with... apparently). The limits is further away on ATI, making the texture closer to you more clear, while Nvidia can filter all angles (ATI cant)

These three combined makes a high quality crisp image with clear colors. And that is at higher speeds than the 5900.
So actually, in theory the 5900 IS the better card. Its got a massive clockrate, high quality color, and alot of FSAA modes, including better AF. But it isnt better in practice cause it cuts quality on ALL of the thing mentioned. If you go face to face with high quality, the 9800 beats it hands down. That's why you dont see such high quality on the 5900.
 
If I had the cash to spend on a new video card I would go with the 5900 Ultra.
 
I thought I should just mention the 5900u's heatsinks are much louder then 9800pros.. It was previously called "The dust buster" cause it sounded like a vacuum cleaner (5800 cards), I think it was about 70dbA... Although Nvidia has fixed this a bit on the 5900 series, it's still louder and produces more heat then 9800pros heatsink.

This is just small detail, I don't really think that most people would find this as a issue when choosing cards, more so how good of a performer the card is. But when it comes to such a close call as between 9800pro and 5900u (at least fps-wise), small things like this just might make some difference in ppl's choices.
 
But when it comes to such a close call as between 9800pro and 5900u (at least fps-wise)
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Why? The cards arent really in competition. EVERYTHING in the hardware world has to do with pricing. For example, I found a 9800 Pro 128mb for $269.99. Tried finding a 5900 Ultra 128mb but it appears impossible (have they scrapped the 128mb ultra version or what?!), could only find 5900 in the ranges of $340-370 or more expensive 256mb versions.
Its two different price classes. You dont compare a $100 card with a $200 do you? Comparing the 5900 Ultra to the 9800 Pro is like comparing 5200 Ultra with 9500 Pro.

So when you compare the 9800 Pro with the REAL Nvidia competiton (5600 Ultra, 5900 non ultra), you see who wins :p
 
Originally posted by dawdler
Why? The cards arent really in competition. EVERYTHING in the hardware world has to do with pricing. For example, I found a 9800 Pro 128mb for $269.99. Tried finding a 5900 Ultra 128mb but it appears impossible (have they scrapped the 128mb ultra version or what?!), could only find 5900 in the ranges of $340-370 or more expensive 256mb versions.
Its two different price classes. You dont compare a $100 card with a $200 do you? Comparing the 5900 Ultra to the 9800 Pro is like comparing 5200 Ultra with 9500 Pro.

So when you compare the 9800 Pro with the REAL Nvidia competiton (5600 Ultra, 5900 non ultra), you see who wins :p
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Correct, but this is not the point I was trying to make though.. I know that the 9800pro costs less, but some ppl are so hooked on Nvidia that they would still pay $100 extra for a card that will only give them minor improvement in fps.. On the top of that they are louder and produce more heat.

I did not class/compare the cards by price, but by performance.

No doubt dawdler.. You know far more about todays graphic cards then I do.. Which is why I would like to ask for your advice in another thread, and other ppl that can help as well of course. Thanks!
 
Originally posted by zool
I thought I should just mention the 5900u's heatsinks are much louder then 9800pros.. It was previously called "The dust buster" cause it sounded like a vacuum cleaner (5800 cards), I think it was about 70dbA... Although Nvidia has fixed this a bit on the 5900 series, it's still louder and produces more heat then 9800pros heatsink.

This is just small detail, I don't really think that most people would find this as a issue when choosing cards, more so how good of a performer the card is. But when it comes to such a close call as between 9800pro and 5900u (at least fps-wise), small things like this just might make some difference in ppl's choices.
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The 5800 is like a deformed child nvidia wishes everyone would forget. They realized their mistake with the loud fan and replaced it on the 5900. So this isn't an issue.
 
Originally posted by zool
I thought I should just mention the 5900u's heatsinks are much louder then 9800pros.. It was previously called "The dust buster" cause it sounded like a vacuum cleaner (5800 cards), I think it was about 70dbA... Although Nvidia has fixed this a bit on the 5900 series, it's still louder and produces more heat then 9800pros heatsink.

This is just small detail, I don't really think that most people would find this as a issue when choosing cards, more so how good of a performer the card is. But when it comes to such a close call as between 9800pro and 5900u (at least fps-wise), small things like this just might make some difference in ppl's choices.
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Depends whch ones you get... An ASUS 5900u is slightly quieter than a 9800 pro with a stock cooling solution. Buy an MSI 5900u and you will get a near silent heatsink that is MUCH quieter than even the quietest radeon card!!! :cool:

Check out the cooler on it! :D

http://www.msicomputer.com/product/vga/vga_image/ms8929.jpg
 
Originally posted by |MaTT|
Depends whch ones you get... An ASUS 5900u is slightly quieter than a 9800 pro with a stock cooling solution. Buy an MSI 5900u and you will get a near silent heatsink that is MUCH quieter than even the quietest radeon card!!! :cool:

Check out the cooler on it! :D

http://www.msicomputer.com/product/vga/vga_image/ms8929.jpg
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Common selling tactics: If it cant sell on merits, make it look COOL :cool:

Anyway, Sapphire also sells the Ultimate version I believe. Noise level? You couldnt even hear it if it made a sound :D
 
I would avoid MSI cards right now.
I had to RMA 3 GFFX5200 and one 5900 last week, for components failure.

Anyway, ATi might not have SSAA in Windows right now, but its possible on Macs ;) (meaning we'll probably see SSAA in Windows too).
Remember, ATi has Centroid AA :D

If you're upgrading for HL2 , go for the 9800PRO, end of the story.
 
the price are the same here in Canada... 699$ For a MSI 5900 Ultra and .. 699$ for a ATi 9800 256MB...

The 5900 Ultra is slightly faster than a 9800. not by much, like 5-8 FPS faster... BUT the ATi have a better image quality and a better AF ... so it's your personal choice, if you want better performance, get the 5900, if you want a better image quality, go for the 9800...

And both cards got a strange flickering problem on my PC :dozey:
 
If you're upgrading for HL2 , go for the 9800PRO, end of the story.
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And if you're upgrading for anything else, go for the 9800 Pro too. End of story. Again. Finally :p
 
This thread is getting tiring.. But anyway, the heatsink on 5900u has I think 3 different steps.. When it's completely idle it has much lower rpm then if it's getting stressed while playing games etc. So it should be louder under gameplay, but you wont really notice that since your probably listening to the sound of the game. 5900u does also produce more heat.. And I have seen lots of ppl having problem with the heat coming from 9800pro cards as it is.
 
I find it fun, not tiring :)

Here is a show on speeds:
http://www.materiel.be/cg/21cg/page13.php

Note the poor 5200 version. Very poor. And notice that 9800 Pro at 6xAA/16xAF is quite a bit faster than 5900 Ultra at 4xAA/8xAF at the same resolution. Though since numbers arent there, its just an estimate.
But then again, see the other games and 5900 wins alot... But this Enclave is newer, and one of the most beatifull and detailed engines I have seen (Xbox game though, they could have done it much better :)). But the image comparisons are lousy. Its to much of the same color, to little contrast it doesnt show anything for FSAA for instance. Only that the 9800 has a little poorer AF, but that the 5900 on the other hand seem to have odd rendering errors in the same pic... Though the 9800 has odd shadow rendering (courtesy of Nvidia programming, no doubt, the exact same error is in NWN too).
 
I've got a Sapphire ATI Radeon 9700 128mb ddr, and imo the fan on the card is so god damn quiet. It's almost noiseless, and still you can OC the card quite good without it getting to hot. That's what i call quality cooling :E
 
if you wanna have more looks and better fps in Halflife2, stick with 9800pro.

IT'll most likely be good with other new games as well.
 
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