9600 Pro or FX5600

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Benchmarks I've seen put the Radeon a couple frames under the NVidia equivilant. But the 9600 PRO can be overclocked very well...way above the 5600 and people say nVidia's image quality is worse.

Any opinions?

Does either one have an advantage over the other for HL2?
 
considering nvidia cheated on benchmarks and still only got a couple fps faster, i'd say the radeon is better :)
 
It depends on which 5600 you get. The 256mb versions are poor performers but the 128mb Ultra models with a 400mhz core clock speed are much better than the 9600 pro and 9500 pro in some cases.
 
Originally posted by jbscotchman
It depends on which 5600 you get. The 256mb versions are poor performers but the 128mb Ultra models with a 400mhz core clock speed are much better than the 9600 pro and 9500 pro in some cases.
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Yeah, the revision 2 cards are definetly much better than old 5600 Ultra.

Also, here is a image comparison:
http://firingsquad.gamers.com/hardware/imagequalityshootout/default.asp

Clearly show the advantage of ATI FSAA over Nvidia, though it shows Nvidia AF is better than ATI AF. The bad thing is that AF shots are taken at very odd angles, in like 80-90% of all games today ATI equal (or is better due to the fact their AF limits are further back) Nvidia AF...
 
I persoanlly have a 9600pro, and i cna overclock it as much as i like, it's a great card :)
 
Cool can you OC it to 1500mhz mem clock and 10210290129 core clock and tell us how it runs?
 
if u dont overclock the 9600 and 5600 128 which one do u guys think is better??
And wuts: anisotropic filtering do lol and anisotropic filtering and AA slow down ur fps right?!
 
I have another question. My Motherboard supports 1x,2x,and 4x AGP but not 8. What exactly does this mean and are either of the cards AGP x8?

I'm still gonna go with the 9600 Pro because of its OC ability, thats really the main difference between the two cards in terms of value.
 
don't worry, i'm running a 9800 Pro on 4x AGP, 8x AGP does nothing right now
 
8x agp doesn't have much of an advantage right now. you can run an 8x AGP card at any level of agp, 1x, 2x, 4x, whatever.
 
Thanks for all of the information its been really helpful.

But I still have one question thats kind of off-topic...will the 9600 pro be able to handle Doom 3 alright? I don't care about high-settings or even aa or af; just framerate, lighting, top notch texturing and a decent resoltuion.
 
the 9600 pro will handleDoom3 perfectly fine, even with good resolution on texture qualtity. I can mange 40 some fps on the alpha version, and it is yet to be optomized.
 
Is the Doom3 alpha actually an assortment of real levels or is it more like a disjointed tech-demo?

And how fast is the rest of your system.

Also just a general question for future upgrades, would it be worthwile to upgrade from 256 to 528 MB DDR on a 1.4 Ghz system? Would I see a marked improvment while playing games with an identical graphics card?

And one last question, when I was trying to get Return to Castle Wolfenstein to work on my freinds old iMac I read that you could change the memory limit of the game from its standard 47megs (or around there) to anything you pleased through the console (The comman was hunkmegs). Do newer games for the PC do this as well or do they just utilize as much RAM as they can?
 
Check out Tom's Hardware Guide VGA Card Buyer's Guide 07/2003.
Benchmarks all the new DX9 cards and even some older DX8 cards are thrown in there.
Has a page or two on the individual products on the market with how loud the fan is and what extras are included etc.
It's an up-to-date review...read it, should help.
 
the alpha is an assortment of real level,s but they are jsut demo lelvel made to show off the engine.

the rest of my system is p4 1.8Ghz 400mhz fsb, 512mbpc2100 ram.

About the RAM: If you have a large HD, or have room on, i'd suggest increasing your page file instead of adding more RAM. I have 512MB of ram, but I also have 1 GB of swap file, so it's like i'm running my system with 1536MB of RAM. (well, not exactly, but close enoguh)

In many games the have configurabe *.ini files that allow you to change that. If you'd like help with a specific problem, feel free to AIM me at any time and i'll walk you through it.
 
One thing to note about that image quality review is that they dont show you the 16x af that the ati cards can do. 16x ati af is much better than the nvidia 8x af, but for somereason more review sites dont even show the 16x because it would seem "unfair". bullshit if you ask me, people should see the cards at their best.

As for increasing the page file i wouldnt recomend that if you have money for memory. Because harddrives are that much slower. Also windows tends to like to use it even when it doesnt need too.
 
Originally posted by SidewinderX143
I've oced it to 542/721 from 400/600 :)

It was stab;le for 3 hours :)
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721 mem for a radeon 9600 pro ?!, I cant go over 400! :LOL:
 
I might as well get the real memory, its so cheap now anyway if you buy it off of the internet...besides the page swap file never seems to work too well for me, maybe my hardrive isn't fasxt enough to pull it off.

I don't have AIM, so I',m just going to ask you here; if I wanted increase the memory for a game like Unreal 2 or Max Payne (which both run on medium-high in 1024x768x32 with little problem) because Max PAyne has no tgext file to edit how would I go about changing its RAM cieling, if it even has one?
 
yeah, i do think the 16x looks better, and the 8x aa looks really good to. Honestly though, If you arent running a resolution high enough its going to do wierd suttf with af. =\.
 
errrrrr....

Originally posted by rootbin
considering nvidia cheated on benchmarks and still only got a couple fps faster, i'd say the radeon is better :)
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but you know that Ati also cheats :)
 
Is the powercolor 9600 Pro really worse? It says the core and memory frequencies are 400 and 200 respectively, aren't those normal speeds?
 
Go for the 9600 PRO, blind folded.
The 9600 PRO BRAVO from Powercolor is a cool card.
NOTE: The standard core/mem speed on the 9600 PRO is 400/200(meaning 400/400). The 9600 Pro (NON-Bravo) from Powercolor is 400/400 so, again go for it.
 
Thanks Pr[]zac, well thats all the info I need, the decesion has been made!
 
Wtf, the bravo is no diff. then the other cards. It just has a bunch of games included...
 
Pr()ZaC, you don't nkow what you're talking about!

The powercolor speeds are 400/200 (400 DDR)
The Shappire speeds are 400/300 (600 DDR)

Getting the powercolor version is limiting yourself
And the Bravo version jsut says 400mhz on the box instead of 200, it's still 200DDR.

If you bought the powercolor one, return it!
 
Well, I didn't yet buy it, but isn't the Sapphire version just OCed? I can do that myself with a slide bar. Its all based on the same core-ram speeds as ATI intended..unless the heatsink and fan on the powercolor can't handle an overclocking.
 
That's exactly the one i Bought, even in the lite box and everyhting. Yes.

It's not OCed, jsut better RAM. You can OC the core it slef to over 500 (i've gotten 541 stable for 3 hours of hard gameing) but the RAM on OC's about 40mhz (80 DDR)
 
Sidewinder, you should quit talking about stuff you don't know.
200Mhz DDR equals to 400Mhz.
The Powercolor 9600 PRO is a legit 400/400 card.
Powercolor Radeon 9600 PRO 128MB DDR 400/400MHz AGP8X DVI-I Tv-out Retail
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The Powercolor 9600 PRO Bravo has increased memory speed.
 
Im almost positive the bravo is NO different, it just has a bunch of games included.

EDIT: Your right, the bravo speed is 337mhz mem. normal pro is 200mhz
 
You're wrong.
The BRAVO edition has games AND memory speeds of ~680Mhz.

EDIT: Ok :)
 
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