A hint about G-man in op4s

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"I admit, I have a fascination with those, who adopt and survive against all odds. They rather remind me of myself, if for no other reason, I have argued to preserve you for a time."

That is what G-man said to Adrian. This would mean that the G-man must have lived through some hard times? What those hard times could be? Did G-man decided to keep Shepard alive only because of his sympathy to him? Do those words mean that Shepard wasn't ment to be? Why did the Administrator wanted all the survivors dead, if then the plague of Xen spreaded all over the world anyways?
 
Yes, it's an interesting quote. I believe that GMan acted as he saw fit anyway... and the quote does show he has an interesting background. He has either been through a similar experience himself, surviving against odds, or as some people speculate, he's an alien who adapted to live on Earth.
 
I seriously doubt that Shephard was kept alive just out of sympathy. Let's not forget, the G-Man is a great manipulator. He went out of his way to keep Adrian alive, while throwing away the lives of numerous others at Black Mesa.

The G-Man was, clearly, looking for adaptable people in Black Mesa for his own purposes. He found not just one, but two...Gordon and Adrian. Gordon was his prime candidate...there are indications that Gordon was being watched by the G-Man and the Administrator long before the Resonance Cascade (and, some theorize that the Resonance Cascade was cause intentionally to test Gordon). I think Adrian was just a lucky catch for the G-Man...but one he was willing to exploit and "collect" when it was all over.
 
Yeah, and we'll be finding out something about GMan's motivation in HL2. Motivation - as in why does he want people who can survive and adapt very well.

By the way... everyone assumes that Dr. Breen is Administrator... has it ever been stated so officially? Has it been stated officially that GMan is not the one whom scientists refer to as Administrator?
 
Solver said:
Yeah, and we'll be finding out something about GMan's motivation in HL2. Motivation - as in why does he want people who can survive and adapt very well.

By the way... everyone assumes that Dr. Breen is Administrator... has it ever been stated so officially? Has it been stated officially that GMan is not the one whom scientists refer to as Administrator?
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yes. yes it has.
 
Ahh, that settles it, I was really curious. I'm still sure that GMan is actually in charge. In the sense that he's clever and powerful enough to act as he sees fit, even though there is someone higher ranking than him.
 
How do you know the invasion ended when you kileld Nihalinth?

How do you know the admin, Breen wanted all survivors dead? Clearly that was gmans interferance with the military

Got to ask these questions, because you simply dont know, and thats the marvel of half life, it leaves things open
 
A.I. said:
"I admit, I have a fascination with those, who adopt and survive against all odds. They rather remind me of myself, if for no other reason, I have argued to preserve you for a time."

That is what G-man said to Adrian. This would mean that the G-man must have lived through some hard times? What those hard times could be? Did G-man decided to keep Shepard alive only because of his sympathy to him? Do those words mean that Shepard wasn't ment to be? Why did the Administrator wanted all the survivors dead, if then the plague of Xen spreaded all over the world anyways?
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Find out in the next episode.... Half-Life 2!
Coming to a store near you, November 16, 2004.
 
More than likely the Gman was hired by another Gman type figure years before Black Mesa. Perhaps Gman was a regular joe who survived or stopped some sort of invasion like Gordon and was recruited by someone else to work the position he's in now. This all has probably been stated before, I figured I'd just throw that out there.
 
Yes, GMan was likely hired, but he, I am almost certain, does not really act on orders, he acts as he sees fit.

And the invasion did end when Nihilanth died, the scientist in the Lambda Complex said that the portal is only being held open by power of one creature, so without Nihilanth, the portal closed.
 
Sunlight said:
Find out in the next episode.... Half-Life 2!
Coming to a store near you, November 16, 2004.
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It's already on my computer, waiting to be unleashed by the magic words from VALVe. :afro:

I would agree that Adrian wasn't kept alive just because of sympathy, his abillities to survive were great. But there were also other survivors like Calhoun and his fellow scientists who managed to escape. They were also out of the G-man's plan.

The G-man must be kinda self employed I think. There is also a difference between the G-man's employers and the Administrator. If the Administrator was the administrator of BMRF and as people think the admin was dr.Breen indeed, and if the G-man would be really a "goverment man" as his name suggests I think we could easily explain the BM incident like this:

The G-man, representative of the US goverment, had a dispute with the Administrator of Black Mesa. Because the Administrator had his own vision in the future research which might threat the US and the whole world. G-man probably came to close the facility down, and that's why Administrator pushed to test the new sample, because he knew that it would cause the resonance cascade in the conditions scientists had to work (you know the computer broke down before the test chamber?). The G-man had no other option but to wait and observe the evolving situation. The US goverment sent the military, of course, and to keep the situation away from the public also kill the staff of the facility. But when the aliens overwhelmed the marine force, the military nuked the place.

The question is, was G-man given a strict order to hire Freeman specifically or just to hire the one who kills the Nihilanth. As we know now, killing the Nihilanth did not stop the invasion, what gave reason the Administrator, presumably dr.Breen, to stop it by force, that would be the Combine. Power that Administrator strived for had been achieved by enabling the aliens to infest the Earth. He actually has no intention in driving aliens off the Earth, because he needs an opposing force which makes him a protector of human race. The purpose of the G-man is now clear, to use Gordon in defeating the Combine. But at this point it isn't so obvious anymore that G-man would indeed be a US goverment employee. Well, it's confusing.
 
The government wanted to cover it all up, sure... but remember that GMan was at Black Mesa that morning before the experiment. It's also unknown whether the Administrator ordered the experiment specifically to cause the resonance cascade - we know he was warned of the possibility, but he might have believed the experiment had a chance to succeed - or he might have wanted the stuff that happened.

GMan clearly had authority over the military. I think he could also control somehow what and where the military does, even if unconventinally - he's a smart one. At end of HL, GMan says something like "I've talked to my, err, employers, and they agree that you have limitless potential". This might agree that GMan only mentioned Freeman to his "employers" after Nihilanth's... demise.

Also, we don't yet know why are the alien creatures on Earth in HL2. Maybe they didn't come from Xen again - we don't know for sure if a portal to Xen exists at the time of HL2.
 
Well, the G-man was obviously in the BM in the crucial moment of it's time. Was he really there initially to hire Gordon Freeman, or his offer followed because of the resulting events? In the end he sounds, that Gordon went through a kind of test which was caused by the G-man, but I don't think so. The employers probably didn't presume that things would go horribly wrong at BMRF, so they ordered the G-man to observe the situation and report about the outcome. He's a kind of a field agent. Maybe he was just given vague directions how to act on the field, so mostly he makes concrete decisions on his own. G-man might be a kind of freelancing field agent.
 
He acted on his own accord I think once the trouble started. He was probably there indeed to oversee the experiment, but what and how he did later was his own accord. I think he only got interested in Freeman towards the end really - first he watched Gordon as he fought, but later saw his survival skills and got interested.
 
Well, "Adopt and survive" could refer to a number of situations or experiences, but I still think G-man is on Gordon or Humanity's side at least, for reasons that for now must remain unknown...
 
All the people who you play as and who encounter the g-man (eg. gordon freeman, barney calhoun and adrian shepherd) have all had near death experiences.At the start of all the games the character blacks out and escapes death. For example, on opforce, everybody else in the helicopter dies, but shepherd survives, and on blue shift, the two scientists in the lift with you die, but you survuve. Just something to think about..
 
Just remember that GMan had no interest in Barney Calhoune. He wasn't offered employment, he wasn't detained, or anything. Sure he escaped the military perimeter, but I'm somehow sure that the GMan could get to him anyway if he so wanted.
 
Solver said:
Just remember that GMan had no interest in Barney Calhoune. He wasn't offered employment, he wasn't detained, or anything. Sure he escaped the military perimeter, but I'm somehow sure that the GMan could get to him anyway if he so wanted.
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Still, Calhoun appears in HL2 and on our side. But I believe that G-man's interests aren't quite the same as dr. Kleiner's or dr.Eli's. I believe that G-man manipulates with the current situation to achieve his own goals.

Primary goal of the resistance (Eli&Kleiner) is probably the defeat of the Combine and deinfestation of the Earth, but G-man's objectives do not necessarily meet with E&K's.

But I believe we can all agree on why Gordon was sent in City 17: dr. Kleiner's and dr. Vance's knowledge are the key to Gordon's success. Plus, the City 17 is residence of dr. Breen. Dr. Breen said that he moved in it because it's the safest place to be (still, this could be propaganda). It looks like all the crucial factors were fit to add Freeman in this equation what is obvious from the G-man's intro speech in "Trainstation" bink. I question myself if he move K&V duo in City 17. G-man seems to be a great manipulator.
 
Actually, I believe that someone knew that the resonence cascade was going to happen or there was a possibility of it happening. I say this because the military is said to have been training for this (Op4 manual). And they responded very quickly to the incident.

Of course it could be that the missions into Xen essentially started a sort of war that someone in the military was warned of. So they were afraid that it might break out on Earth. So measures were taken in order to combat an invasion. Keep in mind in the final scene the G-Man shows shots of troops and tanks INSIDE Xen.

Let's go over exacly what the G-Man said in the end of HL1.
"Gordon Freeman, in the flesh. Or rather, in the hazard suit. I took the liberty of relieving you of your weapons. Most of them were government property. As for the suit, I think you've earned it. The borderworld, Xen, is in our control, for the time being, thanks to you. Quite a nasty piece of work you managed over there. I am impressed.

"That's why I'm here, Mr. Freeman. I have recommended your services to my eh-eh-eh-eh-employers and they have authorized me to offer you a job. They agree with me that you have limitlesssss potential.

"You've proved yourself a decisive man, so I don't expect you'll have any trouble deciding what to do. If you're interested, just step into the portal and I will take that as a yes. Otherwise, hm, well, I can offer you a battle you have no chance of winning. Rather an anticlimax after what you've just survived. Time to choose."
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I was going to get the Op4 one, but I got sidetracked by CC:S... Sorry.

Anyway, there are somethings that come to mind though. First, how can they have control of Xen unless there is another facility. I would guess Europe. BMRF was nuked, of course. I would guess before Gordon killed the big guy and they thought that the aliens were winning.

So, some silly speculation about the events right after the cascade.
They were exploring the Border World and taking samples when they started "getting collected themselves." Bad things started to happen where humans and the aliens were fighting each other, which you can see by the dead dudes laying all over the place in Xen. The administrator (or someone at least) sent up that sample in order to START a Resonence Cascade. He did this for Power, because he figured that the Aliens would give him a powerfull position. The G-Man and his "employers" figured this out, but didn't stop it. Though they did warn the military. Gordon kicked the aliens butt, and the BMRF was nuked in order to contain the invasion. After that the Military gain control of Xen, for a short time at least. The Alien Slaves were also freed at this point.

Now, didn't someone say that there was a third alien Race? Perhaps the Administrator was workign for them in order to weaken the Earth's fighting capibilities and then they swooped in and took control of both Xen AND Earth. Butting the Adminstrator in command of one of the last cities. Which would b why he seems so annoyed.

If anyone has the last bit of Op4, please post it. I would like to see exactly what he said.
 
There is speculation that Race X (the aliens in OpFor) were a different race from the Xen aliens. Personally, I think that they are nothing more than Xen soldiers...or, perhaps, another "faction" on Xen. I do not subscribe to the "second race" (not to be confused with the "second gunman") theory.
 
Didn't one of the developers say that there was a third race?
 
Headrattle said:
Didn't one of the developers say that there was a third race?
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The third race is the bank managers of Xen, the most evil creatures ever.
 
Some speculation is that the third race detected the spacetime rift at Earth and used it to get there, but I can't recall there being any specific proof that those were not Xen aliens right now.

And I agree, GMan is a great manipulator... his goals in HL2 are yet to be seen. Mind you, we can't even throw away the possibility (though I don't think it's true) that GMan sends Gordon to help Combine and crush the resistance, but Gordon goes against GMan's orders.
 
I seem to remember a quote that Gabe made early in the piece regarding the different factions in HL2.

He stated something like:

"There are two (resistance) groups at work. One is wrong but the other is even more wrong. You have to decide which to follow"

So this gets me thinking that one group just wants to get rid of Breen and his oppressive regime, and the other group is somehow manipulating the zombies and headcrabs as biological weapons against the combine, but the (the zombies and headcrabs) have got out of control...

Or something like that. Anyone else remeber that?
 
I think its a kind of "Goldfishbowl Syndrome" or whatever it called. The GMan likes watching people survive against hard times, if they actualy do. Perhaps the GMan knows somehow who these people are and keeps them stuck in a certain place (eg. he stopped Adrian getting on a helicopter to escape)
 
It would be great if HL2 was morally dubious, too. I know that acting as Gordon in HL seemed so to me - he wasn't really doing the right thing, as in 100% obviously the right thing. If in HL2 Combine are just the evil guys who opress civilans and you fight them, it'll be the right thing - but maybe something more will be introduced that will make it morally dubious.
 
I wonder if the story is told properly in hl2 and we actually find out what the gmans deal is.
 
The story in half life 2 is is much deeper than that of the original, the pacing is fantastic. But the manner in which it is told differs completely from that of your usual story in a game.

Its all told through Gordons eyes, its not fed to you with a spoon, you basically arrive into city 17, awoken by the gman to be told that the world is in chaos.

You wont be going through PDA'S, there wont be a mystery character flooding the story into your ears.

As you progress you will begin to build up an image of what has happened since black mesa.

Unfortauntly however, you will have to look to half life 3 to find out the gmans true origins.

Half life 2 is how a story should be told, it is the pinacle of storytelling
 
Samon said:
The story in half life 2 is is much deeper than that of the original, the pacing is fantastic. But the manner in which it is told differs completely from that of your usual story in a game.

Its all told through Gordons eyes, its not fed to you with a spoon, you basically arrive into city 17, awoken by the gman to be told that the world is in chaos.

You wont be going through PDA'S, there wont be a mystery character flooding the story into your ears.

As you progress you will begin to build up an image of what has happened since black mesa.

Unfortauntly however, you will have to look to half life 3 to find out the gmans true origins.

Half life 2 is how a story should be told, it is the pinacle of storytelling
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Ehhmmm... how do you know this?
 
Because i have read the script, and its been mentioned in several reviews of the game
 
A fact that I find interesting is that BMRF was initially testing out teleporting and contact with Xen was an unforseen consequence. Anyone taht has played Blue Shift must remember teh whole scene with that one doctor (the who's face was actually a different character model). He said that when testing the teleportation the scientists could not directly go from A to B and would end up on Xen. From what I could glean, this was how we initialyl cmae into conatc wtih teh Xen aliens. So . . . my guess is that NO ONE on earth knew about the aliens, it was sort of an unexpected suprise.
 
True, he did say that, however.

It was also said that the scientists were sending people in hazard suits into Xen to collect stuff (thus the questionable ethics chapter) until they "started getting collected themselves."

So the teleporters helped them DISCOVER Xen, but then they decided to explore Xen.
 
Headrattle said:
If anyone has the last bit of Op4, please post it. I would like to see exactly what he said.
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You mean this?

So, Corporal Shephard, we meet at last. Please don't think that I've been avoiding you, a great many matters require my attention in these... troubled times. I do hope you understand. And now, I require a further indulgence on your part. I cannot close my report until every loose end has been tied up. The biggest embarassment has been Black Mesa facility, but I think that's finally taken care of itself...

Quite so.

But there is still the lingering matter of... witnesses. I admit I have a facination with those who adapt and survive against all odds... they rather remind me of myself. If for no other reason, I have argued to preserve you for a time. While I believe a civil servant like yourself understands the importance of... discretion, my employers are not quite so trusting, and rather than continually subject you to the irresitible human temptation of telling all, we have decided to... convey you somewhere you can do no possible harm... and where no harm can come to you. I'm sure you can imagine there are worse... alternatives...
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Well, of course they decided to explore. They were scientists, after all. The REAL question is what the Administrator and the G-Man's motivations were. The scientists were still studying as they were being killer after the Resonance Cascade because of their curiousity...but I doubt that the Admin and the G-Man were so interested in pure science and exploration. After all, the the end of HL, the G-Man states, "The boarder world, Xen, is under our control...for the time being." That seems to indicate that the Admin and the G-Man had OTHER plans for Xen...and this may, very well, be a major plot point in HL2.

Are the events in HL2 just a ploy for certain small groups to control the human population through fear of the Xen aliens? Is this still a struggle to control the most powerful weapon ever created...teleportation? Or, are there other motivations that we have no idea about yet?
 
Thanks. but that brings up the question of, did the G-Man expect the soldiers to clean up the facility? If not, who sent them in.

Bah, the BMRF have enough questions, and now we are posed with more in HL-2. The G-man has more surprises left for me.
 
I've always suspected that the G-Man intended for the troops to only contain the invasion from Xen long enough to let Gordon kill Nilithath (damnit...I can never spell that right). The marines were only a temporary measure...sent to contain the invasion and stop any witnesses (ie, the science team) from escaping. The Black Ops were trusted enough to "sanitize" the soldiers (they were witnesses, too, after all) and set up the final solution to Black Mesa...the nuclear device that goes off at the end of OpFor. The Admin and the G-Man didn't care how many soldiers died...the fewer live soldiers the fewer would have to be eliminated by the Black Ops.

At least, that's my take on it. I could be totally wrong.
 
Well, The G-man and tha admin don't have to have the same motives. I think the order to send the military in could've been the admins doing and the black ops were the g-mans men (read women). This theory is based on the fact that the military is killed by the black ops, and gman reactivates the bomb after shephard kills the black ops and disarms the bomb.
 
I strongly suspect that the G-Man and the Admin had the same motives in HL. The G-Man always seemed like the "face" for the mysterious powers that were manipulating Black Mesa and the incident itself. As for the reasons behind the Black Ops killing the marines, as I said, the marines were just cannon fodder...and they were as much witnesses as the science team. The nuke was intended to kill the vast majority of the witnesses (science team and marines alike) and destroy the one piece of evidence about what happened during the Resonance Cascade...BMRF itself. The Black Ops ran the more sensitive operations in Black Mesa (like the nuke) that the marines were never briefed on and had no knowledge of. After all, if the marines knew that they were to be vaporized in a nuclear detonation, they might not follow orders.

Now, I've also always thought that the G-Man might have other plans...things that his "employers" might not agree with. I suspect that we might see alot of different motivations in HL2.
 
I dont think Gman and the Admin were working together, no sir. Simply because it has been confirmed that dr breen was the admin at black mesa and as you have seen him in half life 2, and is now admin of earth (pc gamer review) and since gordon is workign for the gman, and the gman sends him into city 17...it is clear that they share completely different goals.
 
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