A Letter from the Prime Minister of Israel

[Raziaar]

I think he means "remove them through democracy and/or positive non-violent direct action campaigns."

I think.

Well he needs to declare that explicitly... Because Solaris is awfully radical and unreasonable in most of his views.

 

[Solaris]

No.
I would support a violent revolution in the USA if it had the backing of the working classes and the general proletariat.

 

[Raziaar]

No.
I would support a violent revolution in the USA if it had the backing of the working classes and the general proletariat.

And what about all the innocent people that would undoubtedly get killed?

You don't care about their fate huh? Hundreds of thousands of people would die in such a revolution. All for your so called revolution? It's not like the citizens are being oppressed to any insane degree to warrant such a revolution.

So why would you want such to happen? Just to influence world events?

Please detail out to me all the reasons why the United States needs a revolution.

I would like to see what you have to say other than your thirst for constant worldwide revolutions.

 

[Solaris]

And what about all the innocent people that would undoubtedly get killed?

You don't care about their fate huh? Hundreds of thousands of people would die in such a revolution. All for your so called revolution? It's not like the citizens are being oppressed to any insane degree to warrant such a revolution.

So why would you want such to happen? Just to influence world events?

To liberate the masses!

 

[Raziaar]

To liberate the masses!

Dude... stop. Just Stop. You're batshit insane. You think violence solves everything. You're worse than most psycho republicans I know.

 

[Solaris]

Dude... stop. Just Stop. You're batshit insane. You think violence solves everything. You're worse than most psycho republicans I know.

The USA is ruled by the rich who inflict poverty and oppresision on its own citizens and thoose across the world. This must be stopped. Peaceful means are preferable, but if things escalate so be it, it's for the greater good.

 

[Raziaar]

The USA is ruled by the rich who inflict poverty and oppresision on its own citizens and thoose across the world. This must be stopped. Peaceful means are preferable, but if things escalate so be it, it's for the greater good.

It's not for the greater good when what you're asking for would only make the situation worse. It would plummet the united states into a violent civil war that it may never recover from. The people who would suffer most, are the people you're hoping to 'liberate'. Their lives would go from a relatively poor existence, to living in a constant warzone. And many hundreds of thousands of them would likely die. Maybe even millions.

Unfortunately, there will ALWAYS be classes in society. If your revolution succeeds, new classes will form. There will be a new rich class, and a new poor class. History has *PROVEN* this to us. And for what? What change would have ultimately been beneficial for all the innocent people to have died in your 'glorious bloody revolution'?

World economies would destabalize for a good period of time if the United States buckled under a civil war. We are the largest importer of most goods across the entire world. Countries who relied in exports to the united states would no longer see a demand from the country that imported in excess... and their people would suffer.

I just don't see how you don't understand the dire implications of your 'revolution'. The current status of the united states does *NOT* warrant a revolution. All it would accomplish is vast amounts of pain.

 

[Solaris]

It's not for the greater good when what you're asking for would only make the situation worse. It would plummet the united states into a violent civil war that it may never recover from. The people who would suffer most, are the people you're hoping to 'liberate'. Their lives would go from a relatively poor existence, to living in a constant warzone. And many hundreds of thousands of them would likely die. Maybe even millions.

Unlikely, hopefully not many people would side with the establishment.

Unfortunately, there will ALWAYS be classes in society. If your revolution succeeds, new classes will form. There will be a new rich class, and a new poor class. History has *PROVEN* this to us. And for what? What change would have ultimately been beneficial for all the innocent people to have died in your 'glorious bloody revolution'?

Not really, Socialism has never been properlly implemented.

World economies would destabalize for a good period of time if the United States buckled under a civil war. We are the largest importer of most goods across the entire world. Countries who relied in exports to the united states would no longer see a demand from the country that imported in excess... and their people would suffer.

not if they revolted too.

I just don't see how you don't understand the dire implications of your 'revolution'. The current status of the united states does *NOT* warrant a revolution. All it would accomplish is vast amounts of pain.

I would disagree, I think it would make everything alright.

 

[Zeus]

I would disagree, I think it would make everything alright.

Wow solaris, you don't even live in the U.S. Try visiting the united states and taking a look for yourself, rather than believing every bullshit "fact" that you read on conspiracy websites.

The USA is ruled by the rich who inflict poverty and oppresision on its own citizens and thoose across the world. This must be stopped. Peaceful means are preferable, but if things escalate so be it, it's for the greater good.

More biased sensationalist bs. You haven't got a damned clue do you?

 

[Sulkdodds]

Unlikely, hopefully not many people would side with the establishment.

Wrong. We are talking about America here. There are plenty of people who would fight against a socialist revolution. In fact, I can't even see how one would ever be kick-started.

I'm also hard pressed to recall a revolution that has not gone sour very quickly.

 

[Solaris]

Wrong. We are talking about America here. There are plenty of people who would fight against a socialist revolution. In fact, I can't even see how one would ever be kick-started.

I'm also hard pressed to recall a revolution that has not gone sour very quickly.

A revolution would have to either be, very nessacary, or have the support of the masses.

I can see America causing the end of the world within 100 years. You burn so much greenhouse gas, use so much energy, kill so many people with your foriegn policy. I think a revolution, a worldwide revolution is nessacary very soon or else humanity will be doomed.

 

[Zeus]

I can see America causing the end of the world within 100 years. You burn so much greenhouse gas, use so much energy, kill so many people with your foriegn policy. I think a revolution, a worldwide revolution is nessacary very soon or else humanity will be doomed.

edited - ok im not gonna flame but I disagree with your post

 

[Korgoth]

A policy of an "eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth".

The only problem is, they both end up blind, and unable to speak for themselves.
I see this situation as:

Israel backed by U.S. supplied military weapons, and technology are attacking their enemies who think they shouldn't be allowed a state and aren't entitled to the land that they are inhabiting.

Palestine/Hezbollah backed by Iranian/Syrian supplied military weapons (which pale in comparison mind you) are attacking their enemies who think they shouldn't be allowed a state and aren't entitled to the land that they are inhabiting.

 

[Solaris]

Has anyone ever told you that you're an idiot??

All the time.

America really is the end of the world. If you guys don't vote left damn soon, man. Climate change could kill us all, if not that, war will, probably started by the USA.

 

[Sulkdodds]

Oil crash > climate change.

 

[Solaris]

Probably.

And to be fair, I blame everyone.

 

[Zeus]

Ah....when you guys die at like 45 years old of a heart attack from worrying about such stupid bullshit as oil crashes and climate change I'm gonna be laughing

 

[Ennui]

Wrong. We are talking about America here. There are plenty of people who would fight against a socialist revolution. In fact, I can't even see how one would ever be kick-started.

I'm also hard pressed to recall a revolution that has not gone sour very quickly.

Well, the American revolution (you know, the one where we kicked your ass) did pretty well.

A revolution would have to either be, very nessacary, or have the support of the masses.

I can see America causing the end of the world within 100 years. You burn so much greenhouse gas, use so much energy, kill so many people with your foriegn policy. I think a revolution, a worldwide revolution is nessacary very soon or else humanity will be doomed.

If you keep on saying things like this, people are going to continue marking you down as a sensationalist idiot who doesn't know what he's talking about. America is not at all the root of every problem on the planet, nor are we the sole contributor to these problems, so stop blaming everything on us.

Also, try spending some time living in America before you whine about the establishment here.

 

[Zeus]

Also, try spending some time living in America before you whine about the establishment here.

No way man!!! Not neccesary, because Solaris has all the facts!! Right from prisonplanet! The most reputable source!

 

[Sulkdodds]

Well, the American revolution (you know, the one where we kicked your ass) did pretty well.

You were being ruled by a tyrannical and unfair outside force. I'm pretty damn sure Americans would be pissed if we invaded and occupied again. Come on, do you really think any decent amount of US citizens would hate their own government enough to violently overthrow it?

Plus, people in the US are too contented for a revolution. When living standards drop to third world standards...then, maybe.

Ah....when you guys die at like 45 years old of a heart attack from worrying about such stupid bullshit as oil crashes and climate change I'm gonna be laughing

Show me a load of decent evidence and/or logical reasons why there won't be no oil crash and I will stop worrying about it as a serious possibility.

All the big oil companies and many governments seem pretty scared of it (actions speaking louder than words).

 

[Black_Wolf]

hahahaahhaa, I love how mentions the Holocaust.
They like use that like so,me kind of credit card.
So they can do what they want.

ie.bomb Lebanon

 

[Ennui]

an oil crash will happen and is going to suck, but apparently no one gives a shit because we're not really trying to prepare. the world would be so much better if i ruled it

 

[gh0st]

The USA is ruled by the rich who inflict poverty and oppresision on its own citizens and thoose across the world. This must be stopped. Peaceful means are preferable, but if things escalate so be it, it's for the greater good.

you dont even live in the US dumbshit. how the **** would you know?

 

[Adrien C]

hahahaahhaa, I love how mentions the Holocaust.
They like use that like so,me kind of credit card.
So they can do what they want.

ie.bomb Lebanon

Exactly my fuken point, they allways make themself look like the victims. When ever we reproach them against their tactics, all the can say is: " but the Jews of WWII, nobody like us !"

Fuk 'em, and why do they keep going with their " Israel Defence Force" ? Correct me if I'm wrong but all they do is attack.

Israel are the same scum like the terrorist they suposlly fight, the only exception they have planes and tanks.

88 mother fukers ! 88

 

[Zeus]

Show me a load of decent evidence and/or logical reasons why there won't be no oil crash and I will stop worrying about it as a serious possibility.

All the big oil companies and many governments seem pretty scared of it (actions speaking louder than words).

Well I didn't say it's not going to happen, just that it's stupid to worry about it. I mean really there's nothing you can do about it. Just hope that they come out with alternative energy I guess.

 

[DreamThrall]

This isn't why I started this thread. For the love of god, please stop this insanity and lock. AND if you want to do one better, start at post #42 and delete all the way to the end. Thanks.

 

[Raziaar]

Exactly my fuken point, they allways make themself look like the victims. When ever we reproach them against their tactics, all the can say is: " but the Jews of WWII, nobody like us !"

Fuk 'em, and why do they keep going with their " Israel Defence Force" ? Correct me if I'm wrong but all they do is attack.

Israel are the same scum like the terrorist they suposlly fight, the only exception they have planes and tanks.

88 mother fukers ! 88

Calm down. Jesus.

 

[CptStern]

you dont even live in the US dumbshit. how the **** would you know?

the poor didnt start the war in iraq now did they?





this tactic of blowing the shit out of everything in sight just to take out a few targets will lead to generations of terrorists attacks ..if they didnt have a reason to obtain a nuke in the past, they do now


israel will continue to have hard time convincing the world that's it's on a campaign to defend it's nation ...especially since it resembles an offensive campaign rather than defensive

 

[Tr0n]

Calm down. Jesus.

Yes my son?

 

[Black_Wolf]

Yes my son?

quoted for funny

 

[Ome_Vince]

O yeah, lets forget more than 1300 years of troubles in the Middle East, religious hatred etc and lets blame it all on the USA which wasnt even an idea back then.
The US is now just an excuse for rediculous criminals to attempt to revive old hatred.
Osama wants to be seen as the new Sala Hu Din.

israel will continue to have hard time convincing the world that's it's on a campaign to defend it's nation ...especially since it resembles an offensive campaign rather than defensive

Ofcourse its an offensive campaign! So was operation Market Garden, D-Day, etc etc.
Its an offensive campaign to rid of Hezbollah.. tssk

 

[Azner]

I'm truly scared, for the people of Lebanon, the middle east, and the world.

We cannot let these bastards do this, if we don't remove the imperialist western governments that support, fund, and supply Isreal, I cannot see a bright future.

Where does it end?

Israel v.s. Lebanon, Israel could just have a polotical discussion with Lebanon* but someone had to encourage war did they and who were they? you can only answer for yourselves, those who wanted someone to win, you are the culprits. you are the murderers and i do not want to know where you are from it doesnt matter

*This doesnt matter if im right or wrong the later part expresses all.

 

[AiM]

Israel v.s. Lebanon, Israel could just have a polotical discussion with Lebanon* but someone had to encourage war did they and who were they? you can only answer for yourselves, those who wanted someone to win, you are the culprits. you are the murderers and i do not want to know where you are from it doesnt matter

*This doesnt matter if im right or wrong the later part expresses all.

Actually that matter's a lot, it's kind of hard to have a political discussion with an enemy who's only desire is to wipe your country off the face of the earth. Lebanon is unable to remove Hezbollah which uses the country to mount it's attacks on Israel, hence Israel attacks.

It's an offensive because there's no real impregnable defense against suicide bombers / rockets. It's not like they can put up some sort of shiled to stop the attacks against their civilians.

 

[Sulkdodds]

Some sort of shield...

...now there's an idea!

Well I didn't say it's not going to happen, just that it's stupid to worry about it. I mean really there's nothing you can do about it. Just hope that they come out with alternative energy I guess.

Well, you could prepare your own countryside bomb-shelter eco-villa complete with a breeding pair of hardy alpacas. But yeah, you're right, in a sense.

 

[Ome_Vince]

No doubt Israel's bombard tactics are the worst they could do, but negotiation, or discussions vs an enemy with those goals, and after such an assault is a joke.
No country would do that.
Imagine Germany having its goals to destroy Britain, then bombards England, killing a set of soldiers, and then kidnapping 2, and then the best part: "ok, now that we've slapped you around a bit, and for the last few years, lets have a negotiation or discussion"..

Discussion for what? => when the next assault and kidnapping will be?

Its also funny i dont hear anything about the fact that Hezbollah not only started this war, but also from the initial attack has been firing hundreds of rockets a day into Israel with the deliberate intent to kill as many civilians as possible...
Yet.. Israel is still on some sort of aggresive war to destroy Lebanese civilians...hmmm.

 

[Beerdude26]

Hezbollah: Okay how about a truce
Israel: wtf no fu nub
Rest of world: *gives Israel a red card*
Israel: OMFG WTF I DIDN'T DO SHIT (bombs some more crap) SERIOUSLY WTF
*Israel is crying

 

[15357]

No.
I would support a violent revolution in the USA if it had the backing of the working classes and the general proletariat.

Wouldn't that be illegal?

 

[Sulkdodds]

I think that's somewhat the point.