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I am prochoice! If both parents can make the child, then in my mind they can have the ability to abort it also.


What about you guys?
 
Lucifer Crass said:
I am prochoice! If both parents can make the child, then in my mind they can have the ability to abort it also.


What about you guys?
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i feel the same way. i have a friend that thought she was pregnant, and was also concidering abortion. and thankfully it was available. she went to a free clinic for teen pregnancy and they did a free pregnancy test and gave free birth control and free condoms. as much as i dont encourage teen sex. its good to know that there are options.

-Alex
 
I'm pro-choice... but I don't typically like to get into debates on this subject ('lifers' tend to be... well... just look at the post above mine)... so I won't say anything else. :p
 
Letters said:
I'm pro-choice... but I don't typically like to get into debates on this subject ('lifers' tend to be... well... just look at the post above mine)... so I won't say anything else. :p
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Pro-choicers are just the same. Cybill Shepherd said John Ashcroft's parents should have had an abortion. Can't we have a debate without these crazy comments?
 
I don't see how that makes any sense... :rolling:

Anyway, people are crazy, so, in answer to your question... no, not really...
 
I'm personally not against abortion, however I don't see this thread really getting any place. I'm afraid I see an impending flame war. A lot of people feel too strongly about this issue to really be able to discuss it I think.
 
Technically, wouldnt sperm count as killing babies too?
 
I'm for it, but not in every way. I agree with what wbcheater said about teenage pregnacy but i also think it is wrong to abort a child over their sex. Just look at whats happening in China right now. There are 9 million more young men then women because of it and by 2020 there will be 40 million more young men then women.
 
as my friend says....I am fully pro-choice. pro-the-choice-where-you-decide-to-have-sex.
sex=babies, get over it, if you choose to have sex you need to realize that no matter what you do there is a chance there will be a child. if you cannot deal with the consequences, maybe you shouldnt be having sex in the first place. its like shooting yourself and complaining when you die.
the exception to this is of course rape, in which there is no choice made by both sides, rape abortion is justifiable, but it needs to be done immediately.

i could go a lot more in-depth, but i cant justify putting that much time into this, so i wont.
 
I'm technically pro-choice. But if my girlfriend decided to have an abortion I'd have a hard time living with myself. Not that I'd try to convince her to have baby (it's her body and all) but I might nudge her in that direction.
 
i think it should be allowed but perhaps some rules like the amount of time that is allowed to pass. If u get one very early before anything is really developed its not really murder. Its a scary situation. People who choose to have sex and arent ready for a child probably shouldn't be doing it in the first place, but it still happens and i think that bringing a child into that situation wouldn't be a very good thing. Its pretty hard to say whats the morally right approach.
 
when you are aborting an unborn baby you are not only taking away his or her life but you are also away their soul.
 
JonTheCanuck said:
i think it should be allowed but perhaps some rules like the amount of time that is allowed to pass. If u get one very early before anything is really developed its not really murder. Its a scary situation. People who choose to have sex and arent ready for a child probably shouldn't be doing it in the first place, but it still happens and i think that bringing a child into that situation wouldn't be a very good thing. Its pretty hard to say whats the morally right approach.
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well put man.

...i'm pro choice, i think neither government nor religion have any right to tell a woman what she can and cannot do with her own body. sure, there are many many factors for this, but as a GENERAL rule, i think it's good to allow a woman to choose to have it done legally, by a doctor. if abortion was made illegal, women would still have abortions, but we'd revert to pre-roe vs wade, and women would go back to the clothes hangar, which is completely unacceptable.

but then again, women, and men should be responsible if they're going to be having sex. women should use the pill, and know where they can get the morning after pill(both of those are almost 100% anti preg. ...although there's still a tiny chance of becoming preggers), and the guy should use a condom. so eh. whatever...


w00t 700th post. ...and i'm spent.
 
I'm one of the 3 people in this thread who are pro-life, but I'm not even gonna try to argue. The odds are not in my favor.

Hey JonTheCanuck! I'm gonna be up in Kelowna this June visiting family. Maybe I'll see you (yeah right)!!!!
 
Ok, here's my take:

I think it should be legal to abort. But, I think it's for the weak and I hold any and all who use abortion low.
 
Question:

If abortion is murder, then everytime a woman has her period, techinally thats a waste of a life isnt it?
 
Lucifer Crass said:
Question:

If abortion is murder, then everytime a woman has her period, techinally thats a waste of a life isnt it?
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Um, no. There is no sperm.
 
Hmm...well, I don't believe abortion is murder if the baby is still in the early stages of development. But one debate is when does a foetus become it's own property as opposed to the woman's body? When it is conscious? When it leaves the womb?
It's certainly a moraly murky thread. I'm moderately pro-choice, int hat a believe abortions are sometimes the right thing to do...but it always depends on the situation. Abortion must have a good reason.
 
Lucifer Crass said:
Okay then, if a child gets aborted a month into the pregnancy, do you think it has a soul?
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Yes, but what does this have to do with your previous post?
 
It is down to the mother. Entirely. Until the baby is out of her womb.

I do feel rather passionately about the subject, as a million things can happen to make someone pregnant when they wouldn't want/can't support the baby.
 
This is really a sticky issue, but it really comes down to one thing -

SEX = BABY

Don't **** with that shit, be careful or don't do it at all. You're risking bringing another ****ING HUMAN LIFE into the world just cause you're too lazy to shove on a rubber or pop a ****ing pill, get a clue.

But... this sure is a weird issue. There's still things like teen pregnancy, drunken sexor and... well, rape =/

I truly don't know. With things like this, at some stage people have to bring 'God's will' into things, which pisses some people off because they don't believe in that and don't want to conform to it... but on the other hand, I really don't think it's our choice to make in regards to taking a life. We can not judge when it is time... in the end many abortions will be for the convinience of the would-be mother.

Hmm... I'd have to say I wouldn't class an abortion as murder. I suppose it's like euthanasia... but without the baby's consent =/

ARGH I'M CONFUSED!!!!
 
ComradeBadger said:
It is down to the mother. Entirely. Until the baby is out of her womb.

I do feel rather passionately about the subject, as a million things can happen to make someone pregnant when they wouldn't want/can't support the baby.
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I really don't wanna get into an argument, I'm saying this purely out of interest (and of course because I blatantly disagree, but that doesn't mean I don't respect your opinion :p). Do you really think that someone can 'own' another human life? I know the baby/fetus may be inside the mother, and it's definitely a part of her at that time, but it still has a life of it's own from day one. Idunno, I'm really confused about this and I'm freakin tired so I'll probably just end up agreeing with you :p
 
ComradeBadger said:
I think it's part of her, it can't breathe or doing anything without her.
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I don't see that makes it any more okay for her to destroy it. Anyway that's probably the extent of this debate :D
 
Religious fanatics shouldnt be able to tell people what they can and cant do......
 
crabcakes66 said:
Religious fanatics shouldnt be able to tell people what they can and cant do......
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I agree, I'm no fanatic :D I just have some strong beliefs, like my opponent.

*ahem* I mean er, Badger :frog: :cheese:
 
I personally believe (on religious grounds) that abortion is wrong, but I wouldn't go so far as to say that a girl that became pregnant after being raped should have to carry the child to term. As far as I am concerned, a child is a living being/has a soul when the cell divides and multiplies. AFAIK, the Catholic stance on this matter is that an unborn foetus has a soul after the egg has divided and multiplied 4 times, ie: is a 16 celled organism. I'm not a catholic, so correct me if I'm wrong please...I'm just going on what my Dad told me, and he has regular contact with Catholic priests being a Lutheran minister.
 
Mother mary might have had an abortion if she was around today....think about it...by all accounts she was a teenager, unwed, the father was unknown and she claimed to a virgin!....things might have turned out different for a large portion of the world's population had Mary been given the choice


for those who believe in jebus...no blasphamy intended


oh and for those who believe in "souls" ...answer me this question ...would a clone of a person have a soul? what about a baby who has been concieved artificially? (sperm injected into a fertile egg)
 
phantomdesign said:
It's murder. Perhaps your parents should have aborted you?
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perhaps, yes. If they weren't up to raising a child properly I'd be better off non-existent.
 
On religious grounds I am against it. I believe a woman can have an abortion before it is fully formed... not sure exactly what time that is but I think by the first few months its fully formed with a soul.

I believe aborting a child at that stage is pure murder.

Plain and simple.
 
Deadline said:
On religious grounds I am against it. I believe a woman can have an abortion before it is fully formed... not sure exactly what time that is but I think by the first few months its fully formed with a soul.

I believe aborting a child at that stage is pure murder.

Plain and simple.
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that's a fine line you're treading...when is the baby given a soul? What criteria must a fetus have in order to recieve a soul? brain patterns? heartbeat?
 
Once I post this reply I have no intention of returning to this thread. This is something that I feel too strongly about to debate. It has struck far too close to me. I feel it is one of the only things that has to be understood "from the inside", as a language can be understood only by someone who speaks it, as a world can be understood only by someone who lives in it. All I know that is when it affects you, your whole belief system changes. I was a pro-life supporter. But when it gets so close that you can feel the pains of the decsion that person has to make, you know. All I can say is that. You just know that it's the right thing. Thats why I can't come back, becuase I think that was the true moment when I realized I loved that person, and I can't bear hearing someone criticize her choice. Because the thought of anyone trying to take that decsion from her brings up more anger in me than anything I have ever expirenced. And before you jump to conclusions, I assure you the situation was not what you think.

All I can say is I now know, in my heart, what I know is right.
 
well written...it's her choice, no one has a right to question it
 
I havn't read much in here so this may have already been said but here is my belief anyway.

I am all for abortions, if the parents feel they need to abort the pregnancy then they should have the right.

To me a baby is not a true human being until they reach a stage where they are conscience, their brains are working. So before that time arrises (can't remember how many months into pregnancy that occurs) the parents should have the right to abort the pregnancy if they so desire, after that it is murder in my mind.

For those who believe in the baby having a "soul" as soon as they are concieved, I can't really argue against that without getting into a religion vs science argument but I will say this, if that single cell that the baby begins as has a soul, then in my mind every cell that exists in your body also should have a "soul", in which case for example my skin cells have a "soul" they are living things and are therefor worth just as much as that single cell that multiplies into a baby. When I scratch myself on the arm I am killing hundreds of skin cells, does that mean I am "murdering" them?

I realize that skin cells do not grow into human beings naturally, but if you ask me the principal is still the same, plus with the way cloning technology is comming along it wouldn't surprise me that the Nucleus from a skin cell could be used in cloning someone. In which case that skin cell is just as important as both the sperm and the egg in natural reproduction.
 
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