Abortion Thread <Serious>

Im fully for it, what would you rather have: a featus or however you spell it dieing in the womb. Or a baby dumped in a dustbin to die. I hate kids :p and would jump to abort any child of mine
 
Do not bring religion into this. Either you have an opinion or none at all. We all know what the church tells you what you should think but that doesn't mean it's your true opinion. If you want religion debate search for Religion and Common Sense.
 
get on ogrish dot com and check some abortion videos and pictures and then get back here. I ASSURE you, that you will change your mind.
 
Champ said:
get on ogrish dot com and check some abortion videos and pictures and then get back here. I ASSURE you, that you will change your mind.
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Don't be an idiot.
 
I'm certainly not an idiot. If you had watched those videos, you would have realised how gruesome an act abortion is. Don't let your stupidity affect those small babies, if you aren't mature enough to keep 'em you aren't mature enough to make them... Simple as that!
 
Champ said:
I'm certainly not an idiot. If you had watched those videos, you would have realised how gruesome an act abortion is. Don't let your stupidity affect those small babies, if you aren't mature enough to keep 'em you aren't mature enough to make them... Simple as that!
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And what the Hell does that have to do with encouraging people to look at gruesome pictures/videos of a abortion? Of course fairies and rainbows don't come spilling out... and not in any other surgery either.

Not to mention that posting that is probably inappropriate for the forums anyway.
 
Any pro-abortion people, who just think that those kiddies should be thrown away when you don't want them should check out that page. Couldn't figure that one out by yourself? Blah, just be a little more polite next time.
 
sorry guys not got time to read the thread at the moment but will in the morning:

My ex girlfriend and I always said: If we use a condom and the contraceptive pill yet something goes wrong and she ended up pregnant we had every moral right to have an abortion and should not feel guilty.

If we didn't use the right protection then morally we had no right to get an abortion.

This latter point is relative to the individuals involved but if people are aware of contraception or at least have the means to make themselves aware then they MUST use it. Drink is no excuse. I drink all the time but i've never forgotten to use a condom
 
Letters said:
And what the Hell does that have to do with encouraging people to look at gruesome pictures/videos of a abortion? Of course fairies and rainbows don't come spilling out... and not in any other surgery either.

Not to mention that posting that is probably inappropriate for the forums anyway.
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I agree with letters. No surgury is very good looking, like bypass is tottaly disgusting but its nessesary. Gruesome images should not be propaganda towards your opinion. What if someone did the same thing against a surgury you needed to live. "Ewwww its tottaly gross dont do it, its evil." Very Ignorant statement.

On the same note, WWII was disgusting but no one said, "O its so gross they have bodies all over the place lets not get drafted and be hippies." Where would the world be then eh?
 
jonnyapps said:
sorry guys not got time to read the thread at the moment but will in the morning:

My ex girlfriend and I always said: If we use a condom and the contraceptive pill yet something goes wrong and she ended up pregnant we had every moral right to have an abortion and should not feel guilty.

If we didn't use the right protection then morally we had no right to get an abortion.

This latter point is relative to the individuals involved but if people are aware of contraception or at least have the means to make themselves aware then they MUST use it. Drink is no excuse. I drink all the time but i've never forgotten to use a condom
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I agree, and my post was not aimed at your type of people with that set of moral standards. That reference was for immature people, as I stated above.
 
That's out of proportions Lucifer. "What if someone did the same thing agsinst a surgury you needed to live" Is that what I'm saying? No it isn't. Being pregnant isn't something you just become out of the blue sky. Abortions isn't needed for anyone to live. It does the quite opposite, which is to kill. Propaganda is quite "legal" in this case, because it's about you having committed an error.

Just noticed you WWII note... Also completly out of proportions... Psh...
 
Champ said:
That's out of proportions Lucifer. "What if someone did the same thing agsinst a surgury you needed to live" Is that what I'm saying? No it isn't. Being pregnant isn't something you just become out of the blue sky. Abortions isn't needed for anyone to live. It does the quite opposite, which is to kill. Propaganda is quite "legal" in this case, because it's about you having committed an error.
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Women have died from being pregnant, its rare but it happens.

Just because something is gross doesnt mean its wrong. Those pictures are disgusting, but it was a choice made to correct an accident.

Side note, the WWII and surgury thing is out of proportion but the context of what you where saying fit along those lines. YOu should have seen that for yourself.
 
Then again, people have died from having planes crash into your office. Its rare, but it happens.
It's fun when you blow arguments out of proportions don't you think?

You are quite right in your last sentence, but Abortions is both disgusting and wrong...
 
You can call it an accident or whatever. If you drive in your car without working brakes and then crash into another car, would that be an accident? It might be, but it was caused by your stupidity..
 
Champ said:
Then again, people have died from having planes crash into your office. Its rare, but it happens.
It's fun when you blow arguments out of proportions don't you think?

You are quite right in your last sentence, but Abortions is both disgusting and wrong...
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I did not say abortions are wrong, do you speak english or are you getting it translated? Obviously its not working out to well because your grammer is all wrong. I dont think I can get a point across to someone like you due to a language barrier.



If someone cut your breaks and it causes you to crash that makes you an idiot?? Your not mature enough to handle a discussion like this. For your own sake stay out of it.
 
Now we're starting on the personal insults huh? That's just sad. You said it yourself in the title. a serious discussion. Guess not.

Although I admit, not being perfect in English I do think you are out of line. Consider yourself reported..
 
Who said someone cut your breaks? I was simply saying, that if you don't take the necesary precautions, then you are bound to get hurt, or get others hurt...
 
Champ said:
Now we're starting on the personal insults huh? That's just sad. You said it yourself in the title. a serious discussion. Guess not.

Although I admit, not being perfect in English I do think you are out of line. Consider yourself reported..
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If you consider my opinion an insult then you should not be in a thread like this.
Thats find if you think its disgusting, but in some cases nessesary.
Who are you to decide whats right and wrong. I merely give facts and state observations yet you continue to blurt out anything that comes into your mind. Once again stay out of this discussion for your own sake.

Precautions are Good
Abortion is a last refuge. It should be legal to avoid people trying to do it themselves.
 
I did not say abortions are wrong, do you speak english or are you getting it translated? Obviously its not working out to well because your grammer is all wrong. I dont think I can get a point across to someone like you due to a language barrier.

Your not mature enough to handle a discussion like this. For your own sake stay out of it.


I consider that an insult to me. Furthermore do you insult me by saying I'm not mature enough to be in this thread. If you don't think that's insulting, you are made of a VERY forgiving & tolerant nature.
 
Champ said:
I did not say abortions are wrong, do you speak english or are you getting it translated? Obviously its not working out to well because your grammer is all wrong. I dont think I can get a point across to someone like you due to a language barrier.

Your not mature enough to handle a discussion like this. For your own sake stay out of it.


I consider that an insult to me. Furthermore do you insult me by saying I'm not mature enough to be in this thread. If you don't think that's insulting, you are made of a VERY forgiving & tolerant nature.
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I will not allow you to drag this discussion down. Put anymore spam like this and I will ask for it to be deleted.

As for what I said. Asking if your getting it translated is not an insult. I still do not think your mature enough for this discussion because your dragging it down to a flame war. Get over it. :rolleyes:
 
Aye... We'll will leave this matter to be sorted out by the mods. Now let's continue this serious (right Lucifer?) debate about abortions!
 
wbcheater said:
i feel the same way. i have a friend that thought she was pregnant, and was also concidering abortion. and thankfully it was available. she went to a free clinic for teen pregnancy and they did a free pregnancy test and gave free birth control and free condoms. as much as i dont encourage teen sex. its good to know that there are options.

-Alex
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My thoughts exactly.
 
I know a girl who have had abortions several times. People like her deserves a slap in the face for being that dumb. And that's really what made me post the reference to Ogrish. People like her just sleeping with whoever she likes to, without any freaking protection is just PLAIN dumb.
 
Champ said:
I know a girl who have had abortions several times. People like her deserves a slap in the face for being that dumb. And that's really what made me post the reference to Ogrish. People like her just sleeping with whoever she likes to, without any freaking protection is just PLAIN dumb.
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very few things are plain dumb. It is true that such an example seemingly shows a disregard for human life (i will call it potential). However, you must not be rash in labelling someones actions. Every girl that I have ever met that has slept with a lot of people has a reason for it. More often than not it is not because they are 'slappers' after a quick sh*g. There are often complex reasons behind such situations and for that reason one ought to have the choice to abort. I agree that this girl does not, as your example portrays, have a moral right to an abortion but would not pass judgement until i understood the full reasons behind her actions.

Again, if somebody is educated (or not) to have little regard for human sanctity they will stand little chance of changing their ways unless helped and advised.

This is not a flame at your example by any means. I just think we need to be careful before judging.
 
Well said, I do think however that the girl mentioned above is dumb for continuing her "party life" Maybe she's just ignorant, who knows. I do agree that I'm not in any position to judge other people like her.
 
Champ said:
Well said, I do think however that the girl mentioned above is dumb for continuing her "party life" Maybe she's just ignorant, who knows. I do agree that I'm not in any position to judge other people like her.
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many people get themselves in situations because of their background or disposition. It is easy to regret an act but repeat it again. I met a girl who longed for the closeness of physical intimacy and would seek to feel attractive in the arms of a guy at any party. Each morning she told me she would cry for giving herself up like that.
 
Aye, and some people do get a tad to loving when they had some of the russian happyness-water (also called vodka)... I don't know what to believe, although I think that abortions is relative. It is senseless slaughter in one instance and a neccesary method in another instance.
 
I think a thread that popped up just now has shown that its not always obvious to prevent the pregnancy happening rather than aborting it.

These guys didnt even know how to get pregnant in the first place....


I dont like the idea of abortion and i would try to stop anyone i knew having one. It is ultimately their choice but i would desperately try to make them think of the human that is inside them...they should have a vote to, and even though they cant voice it its safe to say they would probably choose yes.
 
abortion is (in my opinion) wrong because i dont believe in punishing a child with his or her life because of their creators mistakes/crime/whatever. there are many thousands of people who want to adopt, if youre pregnant, do the responsible thing and put it up for adoption and be close to it as well if possible, and make sure its put into proper hands.
 
Jmechy said:
The thomson article on the defense of abortion is the best i have seen. I think this is the whole thing:
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http://www.utdallas.edu/~jfg021000/thomson.html

If anyone read this article, this is an interesting article on abortion. you should read it. I just wanted to make a couple of comments on it.
First, in the case of a woman dying if she doesn't have an abortion: Letting someone die is not less than actually killing someone in my opinion. You cannot claim that the right to life of the fetus is more important than the mother. Life is Life. The mother should not be forced to have the child if she's going to die from the birth. A sacrifice is something freely given. In this case it would be forced - i.e. not a sacrifice. Thomson cites a lady Kitty Genovese who was dying while 38 people watched. By our laws today they're not guilty, but there should be a "minimally decent samaritan" law. 2. Concerning the right of the mother: yes it is the mother's body, but in the same token if i am 3 months old in my parents house, i eat the nourishment they provide, i sleep in the house they provide - i live from them providing for me. If they no longer provide for me, I would die. They do not have to right to decide to ignore that responsibility. Yes all salary they make belongs to them - it is not mine, but they don't have the right to decide on a whim i no longer live. It's not any different in the womb. Yes the womb, the nourishment the mother provides is hers, but does she have the right to just decide to abort me? i don't think so.
Finally I want to make the point that Thomson argues that there are cases when abortion is wrong, like the girl who is in her 7th month and just wants to get the abortion just to avoid postponing her trip abroad. If Thomson allows this, what's to stop someone from making an argument that's different if the trip to Europe is actually true? She can just lie and it would be permissable. no way.

I believe that life is life is life. i think it's most reprehensible for couples who knowingly have unprotected sex and then the girl gets pregnant. It's a gray area for a girl who's raped. But in cases where this occurs (rare, since rapists' forced sex is not really conducive for pregnancy), the child that is conceived didn't choose how they'd come into the world. I would argue the same for young couple who conceived and don't have the funds to raise a child. Who are you to say, "well the circumstances are not ideal. Sorry we just can't have you living." Adoption is perfectly viable in my opinion. Many want to be parents and medically cannot have children. I'd also like to make the weak argument about what if Einstein was aborted or something other great scientist/artist/politician/etc? I think everyone person has a right to attempt to become great. If you abort them, you don't give them that chance. You make the decision for them.
 
Adidajs said:
http://www.utdallas.edu/~jfg021000/thomson.html

If anyone read this article, this is an interesting article on abortion. you should read it. I just wanted to make a couple of comments on it.
First, in the case of a woman dying if she doesn't have an abortion: Letting someone die is not less than actually killing someone in my opinion. You cannot claim that the right to life of the fetus is more important than the mother. Life is Life. The mother should not be forced to have the child if she's going to die from the birth. A sacrifice is something freely given. In this case it would be forced - i.e. not a sacrifice. Thomson cites a lady Kitty Genovese who was dying while 38 people watched. By our laws today they're not guilty, but there should be a "minimally decent samaritan" law. 2. Concerning the right of the mother: yes it is the mother's body, but in the same token if i am 3 months old in my parents house, i eat the nourishment they provide, i sleep in the house they provide - i live from them providing for me. If they no longer provide for me, I would die. They do not have to right to decide to ignore that responsibility. Yes all salary they make belongs to them - it is not mine, but they don't have the right to decide on a whim i no longer live. It's not any different in the womb. Yes the womb, the nourishment the mother provides is hers, but does she have the right to just decide to abort me? i don't think so.
Finally I want to make the point that Thomson argues that there are cases when abortion is wrong, like the girl who is in her 7th month and just wants to get the abortion just to avoid postponing her trip abroad. If Thomson allows this, what's to stop someone from making an argument that's different if the trip to Europe is actually true? She can just lie and it would be permissable. no way.

I believe that life is life is life. i think it's most reprehensible for couples who knowingly have unprotected sex and then the girl gets pregnant. It's a gray area for a girl who's raped. But in cases where this occurs (rare, since rapists' forced sex is not really conducive for pregnancy), the child that is conceived didn't choose how they'd come into the world. I would argue the same for young couple who conceived and don't have the funds to raise a child. Who are you to say, "well the circumstances are not ideal. Sorry we just can't have you living." Adoption is perfectly viable in my opinion. Many want to be parents and medically cannot have children. I'd also like to make the weak argument about what if Einstein was aborted or something other great scientist/artist/politician/etc? I think everyone person has a right to attempt to become great. If you abort them, you don't give them that chance. You make the decision for them.
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the same could be said about being drafted. Who gave the governement the right to send people to their doom. My point being, people will choose for you and sometimes you have no control over it. Like being fired.

The only reason why there is abortion is due to mostly rape cases and life/death cases. Also the fact that the mother is providing the life is also a factor. IMO she should not be forced to give life to a being that she does not want.
 
In cases where the mother is at risk from death or permanent injury...then i, although saddened by the fact, perfectly understand why it happens.

In rape cases, im not so sure and to be honest i dont think i ever will be. Ive never been raped and i certainly wont get pregnant if i do. Hypothetically, i would like to think i would carry the baby through and simply put it up for adoption. However, i dont know what i would do in that situation.

As for simply not using protection, well then it would be my own fault because i know the consequences. Others might not but i would hope they wouldn't have an abortion.
 
Farrowlesparrow said:
In cases where the mother is at risk from death or permanent injury...then i, although saddened by the fact, perfectly understand why it happens.

In rape cases, im not so sure and to be honest i dont think i ever will be. Ive never been raped and i certainly wont get pregnant if i do. Hypothetically, i would like to think i would carry the baby through and simply put it up for adoption. However, i dont know what i would do in that situation.

As for simply not using protection, well then it would be my own fault because i know the consequences. Others might not but i would hope they wouldn't have an abortion.
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imo you can't make a hypothesis about something which steals away your pride, your dignity, your innocence and your freedom. You can't work out how you would deal with a physical symbol of that violation growing inside you with your emotions.
Such emotional torment might be irreversible to both the mother and the child. I would hate to be told I was the product of rape
 
Lucifer Crass said:
The only reason why there is abortion is due to mostly rape cases and life/death cases. Also the fact that the mother is providing the life is also a factor. QUOTE]

I believe that is not the case
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jonnyapps said:
Lucifer Crass said:
The only reason why there is abortion is due to mostly rape cases and life/death cases. Also the fact that the mother is providing the life is also a factor. QUOTE]

I believe that is not the case
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Good for you :p
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I don't understand why you would wish to abort a child unless your life is in danger. Why not just give birth and put the child up for adoption? Why go to such an extreme by killing it? I don't think it should be made illegal, as there are circumstances where I really could see how a women would want to abort (rape, dangerous side effects of birth, etc.), but perhaps the circumstances should be taken into account. So say a girl has sex with someone and gets pregnant because of it, she has to have the child seeing as how the entire thing stems from her poor choices. I just think that once the process has begun it should not be interrupted unless it threatens the life of the mother, was started without her permission, or was the result of some other extreme circumstance.
 
I just think that it is the choice of the woman bearing the child. I do not think that anyone else has a right to tell her what to do in these circumstances.
 
Here is something I found at anecdotage.com. Thought it was interesting.

Abort?

A noted professor of medicine at the University of California once presented his students with a curious hypothetical question:

"Here's the family history: The father has syphilis, the mother tuberculosis. They have already had four children. The first is blind. The second died. The third is deaf. And the fourth also has tuberculosis.

"Now the mother is pregnant again and the parents have come to you for advice. They are willing to have an abortion if you think they should. What do you say?"

After a brief discussion, the students were broken into small groups and instructed to return with a decision. Each group recommended an abortion.

"Congratulations," the professor remarked, surveying the class. "You have just taken the life of Beethoven."
 
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