Airsoft... Again

[sinkoman]

So, I finally got some dinero for my birthday (mods, I ask of you as my birthday present FROM you, to not merge this to the other thread I made a while back), and as soon as i've gotten all my cards and shit (only gotten one so far, 150 dollars from my grams, festivities are on saturday), i'll be looking to spend some of it on a new airsoft gun.

As some of you know, i've already got an M11 that i've been content with just dealing with. But it's an old gun, I got it when I was eight, so it's going down the crapper quickly. On top of this, the guys that I used to play with, which used to be just "dicking around", are starting to get rifles, and we're starting to get more serious when we play. Instead of just running out there and shooting the shit out of each other, we're now doing stuff like grouping off, battle plans, organizing rushes, sending out scouts and stuff, etc etc.

So basically, i'm being outgunned in more ways than one, and am looking to invest in a new gun.

The thing is though, that i'm not too sure what'd suit me. I'm up against 1 jing gong (CHINA!!!) MP5K, 2 jing gong M4s, soon to be two M14s (I assume jing gongs again), and some dickhead with a gas 1911. So yeah, not the top of the line in terms of guns, but still too much firepower for my sneakiness, my battle fatigues, and my M11, to handle.

The jing gong MP5K is a no no, that thing's turning out to be absolute shit. The M4s seem like VERY good guns for the price, but I don't want to end up being a third guy with one, and relegate myself to the same squad duties as those folks. No clue on the M14s though, but same deal there.

So that mostly eliminates china guns, which kinda made me sad, since they seemed very good in terms of bang for your buck.

Right now i'm looking at the TM FAMAS and MP5 A4 as they both seem to not only be cheap as hell, but also well functioning for my purposes. I'm the only guy that's really got full battle fatigues, so i'm finding that i'm enjoying playing a bit stealthier, but still need some firepower and range for those times when all hell brakes loose, and I need to fall back on my squad to help with cover fire. Will the FAMAS work for this? It seems to be a little unwieldy in terms of size, and i've heard some bad things about reliability (although that's mostly forum posts, and all the more serious reviews seem to suggest that it's a fine and reliable gun). MP5 seems like it'd be too short to use for anything other than close quarters.

So basically, yeah. Any suggestions in terms of lower price spectrum, reliable guns that'll work for me? I don't know what companies to look into other than Tokyo Marui, so ANY suggestions are VERY much welcome.

EDIT: I'm getting kinda wary of dumping money into a TM. I'm the only person who has full camo fatigues, and I use my dirtbiking gloves when I play, and I only wear one on my left hand/forward hand. Most people play in either sweatshirts or just tough it out in tshirts and jeans. To give you an idea of how unorganized we tend to be, we're usually struggling to see who's going to bring the masks.

Might change soon though. In a span of 10 days, i've lost track of how many times we've played.

 

[Vegeta897]

Classic Army is pretty much the only good airsoft company. They make their guns in full metal, and are more expensive than Tokyo Marui. Then there are companies like Airsoft Elite who as I understand it sell full metal guns with upgraded internals.

I'd say, with your pricerange, stick with TM. They have the widest selection, and are very reliable.

MP5 is not shit in mid/long range, btw.

 

[Raziaar]

Classic Army is pretty much the only good airsoft company. They make their guns in full metal, and are more expensive than Tokyo Marui. Then there are companies like Airsoft Elite who as I understand it sell full metal guns with upgraded internals.

I'd say, with your pricerange, stick with TM. They have the widest selection, and are very reliable.

MP5 is not shit in mid/long range, btw.

Not all Classic Army guns are full metal(At least I heard some are not. I could be wrong)

Tokyo Marui and Classic Army are BOTH good companies.

 

[Vegeta897]

Not all Classic Army guns are full metal(At least I heard some are not. I could be wrong)

Tokyo Marui and Classic Army are BOTH good companies.

They are full metal where the real versions of the guns are.

I think they even sell AK47s with real wood too.

 

[Raziaar]

They are full metal where the real versions of the guns are.

I think they even sell AK47s with real wood too.

Silly goose, don't be redundant. Full metal only means that where there is metal on the real gun, there is a corresponding metal part on the Airsoft gun... with the exception of actual firearm mechanisms.

 

[Vegeta897]

Yes... That's what I said.

So you are saying you think there are CA guns that don't have metal chassis where the real guns do?

 

[sinkoman]

Gah, i'm not looking to spend a shitload on the latest and greatest CA or G&P gun, i'm just trying to find something that's a quality product, will last without needing too much maintenance, isn't unwieldy and/or long, and will basically just work. Don't need the latest and greatest that you guys are arguing about

Battery life is a GIGANTIC ****ing + for me. I want one charge to last me more than a day, in the event that I don't have a chance to charge come the next day of play.

FAMAS fit the bill? Or should I be looking at some of the pricier TMs?

The AUG is looking mighty tasty too...

 

[15357]

One question: Do you play with those electro-automatic airsoft guns, or the ones you have to manually "lock" every time you fire?


If it's the former, I find I rather prefer the MP5s and their similiar counterparts + MP5Ks.



Uh, anyway, since I don't live in the 'states I'm sorry I can't help much.

 

[Bob_Marley]

Gah, i'm not looking to spend a shitload on the latest and greatest CA or G&P gun, i'm just trying to find something that's a quality product, will last without needing too much maintenance, isn't unwieldy and/or long, and will basically just work. Don't need the latest and greatest that you guys are arguing about

Battery life is a GIGANTIC ****ing + for me. I want one charge to last me more than a day, in the event that I don't have a chance to charge come the next day of play.

FAMAS fit the bill? Or should I be looking at some of the pricier TMs?

The FAMAS, from what I know of it, is ace for your needs.

Being TM, they never, ever break (they're very popular as rental guns at airsoft sites). It takes a large battery, 300 round magazines and has a long barrel for its size (around the size of an M4 with a barrel thats a good few inches longer), has a very high rate of fire, a spring decompression button (a feature unique in the TM range) which is handy for storing it.

On the downside it has a wider bore barrel than most other airsoft guns (so you don't get as much power for the same amount of air. However, due to this, if you put a tight bore barrel in it you get quite a boost to velocity compartivly and the starting isnt really any lower than any other), they're difficult to upgrade due to the unique gearbox and they often creak (though apparently this can be solved with strategically placed duct tape).

The MP5A4 takes the same batteries, but has a substantially smaller magazine at 200 rounds (hi-cap), has a shorter barrel (not that that matters all that much, its still plenty accurate at normal airsoft ranges. You won't be matching TM M14s with propperly adjusted Hop-ups, but its not at all bad), has the V2 gearbox (also in the M16 series) which produces a lower rate of fire and eventually will crack without modification (it'll have a long life, but its a flawed design as will die faster than others), but the box is more common so easier to get parts/upgrades for, as is the MP5 as a whole due to the popularity of it. Also, when I handled my cousin's MP5K the fire selector tended to dig into my thumb. Oh, and I've heard stories about MP5s snapping where the barrel joins the reciver. And don't "HK slap" (nothing to do with chinese hookers) the charging handle, 'cos you'll break it.

They're both good choises, with their own ups and downs. From what you've said I'd probubly go with the FAMAS, but you should do a little research of your own and make up your own mind.

 

[sinkoman]

The FAMAS, from what I know of it, is ace for your needs.

Being TM, they never, ever break (they're very popular as rental guns at airsoft sites). It takes a large battery, 300 round magazines and has a long barrel for its size (around the size of an M4 with a barrel thats a good few inches longer), has a very high rate of fire, a spring decompression button (a feature unique in the TM range) which is handy for storing it.

On the downside it has a wider bore barrel than most other airsoft guns (so you don't get as much power for the same amount of air. However, due to this, if you put a tight bore barrel in it you get quite a boost to velocity compartivly and the starting isnt really any lower than any other), they're difficult to upgrade due to the unique gearbox and they often creak (though apparently this can be solved with strategically placed duct tape).

The MP5A4 takes the same batteries, but has a substantially smaller magazine at 200 rounds (hi-cap), has a shorter barrel (not that that matters all that much, its still plenty accurate at normal airsoft ranges. You won't be matching TM M14s with propperly adjusted Hop-ups, but its not at all bad), has the V2 gearbox (also in the M16 series) which produces a lower rate of fire and eventually will crack without modification (it'll have a long life, but its a flawed design as will die faster than others), but the box is more common so easier to get parts/upgrades for, as is the MP5 as a whole due to the popularity of it. Also, when I handled my cousin's MP5K the fire selector tended to dig into my thumb. Oh, and I've heard stories about MP5s snapping where the barrel joins the reciver. And don't "HK slap" (nothing to do with chinese hookers) the charging handle, 'cos you'll break it.

They're both good choises, with their own ups and downs. From what you've said I'd probubly go with the FAMAS, but you should do a little research of your own and make up your own mind.

After having read more about the FAMAS, i'm wondering if maybe it wouldn't work out too well. Something that could be upgraded to suit my playing would be ideal, and the FAMAS doesn't seem like the proper gun. The whole V1 gearbox thing is a bit of a turn-off too.

Can you comment on the G36c or the AUG, as those are the other two TMs in my price range that i'm considering. G36c seems a bit short though, but I don't know too much, so I might be wrong. Digging the bullpups in any case.

http://www.redwolfairsoft.com/redwolf/airsoft/ProductDetail?prodID=8916

 

[Beerdude26]

Shortness is a plus most of the times, with a G36C you'll be able to hit the deck without breaking your gun

 

[Shodan]

http://www.wolfarmouries.co.uk/airsoft/bb/product.asp?page=product&id=TD91066

 

[FoxDie]

After having read more about the FAMAS, i'm wondering if maybe it wouldn't work out too well. Something that could be upgraded to suit my playing would be ideal, and the FAMAS doesn't seem like the proper gun. The whole V1 gearbox thing is a bit of a turn-off too.

Can you comment on the G36c or the AUG, as those are the other two TMs in my price range that i'm considering. G36c seems a bit short though, but I don't know too much, so I might be wrong. Digging the bullpups in any case.

http://www.redwolfairsoft.com/redwolf/airsoft/ProductDetail?prodID=8916

I've owned A LOT of TM AEG's, so hopefully I can offer some advice here.

Let me just start by saying that out of all of the AEG's I've owned, the AUG is probably my favorite. I'd recommend getting the Civi version though, as the Mil scope is garbage. Just something about the AUG made me fall in love with it. The barrel is ridiculously long, the body is extremely solid, the trigger fires a single shot on half pull and full auto with a full pull, and the balance is nearly perfect (something most people don't realize, but it's actually quite a pain with a lot of AEG's that have all of their weight in the front.) The AUG also offers a pretty sturdy platform for upgrades, and optics can easily be added.

I would also recommend against the FAMAS. It was the first AEG that TM made, and they've never upgraded it. It looks like a huge shiny plastic peice of junk, and many of the part are out of date and hard to come by.

The G36c is a little short and awkwardly shaped for my tastes, a bit of a CQB gun if you ask me. But if you're looking for a cheap TM, another gun at the top of my list is the MP5SD5. The extended silencer actually acts as a barrel of sorts, giving you some extra accuracy and power over the MP5A4. Also, the silencer provides a bit of a natural "point" (meaning you can tell where the weapon is pointing with ease) since the barrel protrudes further than the A4's. Some other plus's; the MP5 series magazines can be easily clamped together, making mag changes faster than they would be with an AUG or FAMAS, and the large battery makes upgrading MUCH easier.

 

[Sudano]

I want this so bad, but rather upgrade my PC instead. Check it out.

http://www.dickssportinggoods.com/p...26.2098729&parentPage=family&searchId=2098729

Tell me that isn't fing sweet?

 

[Vegeta897]

And don't "HK slap" (nothing to do with chinese hookers) the charging handle, 'cos you'll break it.

I actually have HK slapped my old cheap UTG MP5 all the time, never broke. Same with my two cousins who have the exact same gun. Though I heard the exact same thing about HK slapping the UTGs, that it will break. Hmm.

 

[sinkoman]

I've owned A LOT of TM AEG's, so hopefully I can offer some advice here.

Let me just start by saying that out of all of the AEG's I've owned, the AUG is probably my favorite. I'd recommend getting the Civi version though, as the Mil scope is garbage. Just something about the AUG made me fall in love with it. The barrel is ridiculously long, the body is extremely solid, the trigger fires a single shot on half pull and full auto with a full pull, and the balance is nearly perfect (something most people don't realize, but it's actually quite a pain with a lot of AEG's that have all of their weight in the front.) The AUG also offers a pretty sturdy platform for upgrades, and optics can easily be added.

I would also recommend against the FAMAS. It was the first AEG that TM made, and they've never upgraded it. It looks like a huge shiny plastic peice of junk, and many of the part are out of date and hard to come by.

The G36c is a little short and awkwardly shaped for my tastes, a bit of a CQB gun if you ask me. But if you're looking for a cheap TM, another gun at the top of my list is the MP5SD5. The extended silencer actually acts as a barrel of sorts, giving you some extra accuracy and power over the MP5A4. Also, the silencer provides a bit of a natural "point" (meaning you can tell where the weapon is pointing with ease) since the barrel protrudes further than the A4's. Some other plus's; the MP5 series magazines can be easily clamped together, making mag changes faster than they would be with an AUG or FAMAS, and the large battery makes upgrading MUCH easier.

I was also looking at the SD, and it seems good for the price point. But held the TM SD5 in my hands before, and I just couldn't see myself enjoying it in the forrest. It just seems so short and light, and while i'm sure that those are major plusses when you're running around the forrest, who ever said that plusses = more fun?

I like the big heavy guns. I was playing with a friend of mines big, clunky, and shitty generic AEG AK, and I had a hell of a time with it. Sure, it wasn't very accurate, and it weighed a tonne, but there was just something about holding a gun that had some meet to it. Not to mention, the length made it easier to prop the thing up on a log and give suppressing fire in a pinch.

Looking at the AUG atm. Can you comment on the included sights in the Civ model? Are the flip ups adjustable?

 

[FoxDie]

I was also looking at the SD, and it seems good for the price point. But held the TM SD5 in my hands before, and I just couldn't see myself enjoying it in the forrest. It just seems so short and light, and while i'm sure that those are major plusses when you're running around the forrest, who ever said that plusses = more fun?

I like the big heavy guns. I was playing with a friend of mines big, clunky, and shitty generic AEG AK, and I had a hell of a time with it. Sure, it wasn't very accurate, and it weighed a tonne, but there was just something about holding a gun that had some meet to it. Not to mention, the length made it easier to prop the thing up on a log and give suppressing fire in a pinch.

Looking at the AUG atm. Can you comment on the included sights in the Civ model? Are the flip ups adjustable?

If that's what you're looking for in your AEG, then trust me, you'll love the AUG. It's probably the heaviest TM AEG next to the M16A1/A2 series and the PSG1 (which isn't really an AEG in my opinion), extremely solid, and has definite length. All of the weight is in the back too, which means you can tuck it comfortable under your arm while running. I used to attach a SOCOM silencer to my AUG to make it even longer. The thing looked drop dead gorgeous that way (and even benefited from some added power and accuracy) :smoking:

The adjustable sights are trash, you're better off simply looking down the rail as a sort of "guide" for where you are aiming. I'd suggest picking up either a red dot/reflex sight, or a low magnification scope. In my experience though, actual magnification scopes end up being pretty useless for aiming, and are generally used only for spotting. A reflex/red dot sight allows you to keep both eyes open while using it, and the dot is projected into your field of view, making it usable in in nearly any situation.

 

[sinkoman]

If that's what you're looking for in your AEG, then trust me, you'll love the AUG. It's probably the heaviest TM AEG next to the M16A1/A2 series and the PSG1 (which isn't really an AEG in my opinion), extremely solid, and has definite length. All of the weight is in the back too, which means you can tuck it comfortable under your arm while running. I used to attach a SOCOM silencer to my AUG to make it even longer. The thing looked drop dead gorgeous that way (and even benefited from some added power and accuracy) :smoking:

The adjustable sights are trash, you're better off simply looking down the rail as a sort of "guide" for where you are aiming. I'd suggest picking up either a red dot/reflex sight, or a low magnification scope. In my experience though, actual magnification scopes end up being pretty useless for aiming, and are generally used only for spotting. A reflex/red dot sight allows you to keep both eyes open while using it, and the dot is projected into your field of view, making it usable in in nearly any situation.

Don't care if they're trash, so long as they're adjustable, and work.

So, after ringing some setups up online and at a local shop, and then comparing prices, the FAMAS, AUG, and MP5 seem to all end up costing about the same (the price of the larger format batteries offsets the initial price difference in the guns).

Went to a shop today and held them all in my hands. The AUG had insanely awesome ergos, it felt just so nice in my hands, and everything was easy to grip and felt solid.

The FAMAS on the other hand, while it seemed like a solid gun, seemed also like it'd absolutely die if it hit a tree in a firefight or something. I thought to myself though "well, the ergos can't be that bad", until I grabbed the gun and went into "attack mode", after which I thought "Oh shit, yes they can". I couldn't get a decent grip of ANY sorts on the foregrip, and I could definitely seem myself dropping the thing just because of my small hands and the lack of anything to grip on the gun.

And I can deal with the shit stocker sights. Don't care, so long as there's SOME sort of visual reference towards what i'm shooting (compared to my M11, which had sights so horrible, that when looking down them, you basically saw blackness, with a tiny dot of light in the center of said blackness).

MP5 seemed nicely built, but again, seemed a little delicate. Dunno for sure though. The AUG definitely seemed durable, since everything that's "exposed" (ie, the barrell ) is all metal.

 

[FoxDie]

Don't care if they're trash, so long as they're adjustable, and work.

So, after ringing some setups up online and at a local shop, and then comparing prices, the FAMAS, AUG, and MP5 seem to all end up costing about the same (the price of the larger format batteries offsets the initial price difference in the guns).

Went to a shop today and held them all in my hands. The AUG had insanely awesome ergos, it felt just so nice in my hands, and everything was easy to grip and felt solid.

The FAMAS on the other hand, while it seemed like a solid gun, seemed also like it'd absolutely die if it hit a tree in a firefight or something. I thought to myself though "well, the ergos can't be that bad", until I grabbed the gun and went into "attack mode", after which I thought "Oh shit, yes they can". I couldn't get a decent grip of ANY sorts on the foregrip, and I could definitely seem myself dropping the thing just because of my small hands and the lack of anything to grip on the gun.

And I can deal with the shit stocker sights. Don't care, so long as there's SOME sort of visual reference towards what i'm shooting (compared to my M11, which had sights so horrible, that when looking down them, you basically saw blackness, with a tiny dot of light in the center of said blackness).

MP5 seemed nicely built, but again, seemed a little delicate. Dunno for sure though. The AUG definitely seemed durable, since everything that's "exposed" (ie, the barrell ) is all metal.

Glad to hear that you liked the AUG when you held it, I think that's probably the most important thing to consider when buying an AEG. I agree completely with your feelings about the FAMAS, they feel pretty rickety, and you're not really sure what the designer was trying for when he put the rifle together. The only delicate part you'll find on the AUG is the foregrip, which isn't too sturdy, and pretty exposed when in the verticle position. Not too much of a problem unless you're swinging it around like an idiot, and you'll probably find yourself using the the grip in the horizontal position more anyway. But the rest of the thing is rock solid, and it's nice not to worry about your gun breaking when you have a firefight to deal with.

Did the AUG you held have the Civi sights attached? From what a remember of the sights (I only ever put them on once and immediately took them off, but I had friends who used them) is that they were pretty hard to adjust, the front post and rear cutout didn't quite lineup how you wanted, and they were so large you couldn't get any sort of sight picture, hence I consider them "trash"

In my opinion, the AUG works just fine without any type of sight whatsoever. AEG's aren't extremely accurate, and you'll always get off target when you adjust your hop-up. When I had mine, I just looked down the rail as a sight and watched where my rounds were going, and it was just as effective as any other AEG I owned.

 

[sinkoman]

Glad to hear that you liked the AUG when you held it, I think that's probably the most important thing to consider when buying an AEG. I agree completely with your feelings about the FAMAS, they feel pretty rickety, and you're not really sure what the designer was trying for when he put the rifle together. The only delicate part you'll find on the AUG is the foregrip, which isn't too sturdy, and pretty exposed when in the verticle position. Not too much of a problem unless you're swinging it around like an idiot, and you'll probably find yourself using the the grip in the horizontal position more anyway. But the rest of the thing is rock solid, and it's nice not to worry about your gun breaking when you have a firefight to deal with.

Did the AUG you held have the Civi sights attached? From what a remember of the sights (I only ever put them on once and immediately took them off, but I had friends who used them) is that they were pretty hard to adjust, the front post and rear cutout didn't quite lineup how you wanted, and they were so large you couldn't get any sort of sight picture, hence I consider them "trash"

In my opinion, the AUG works just fine without any type of sight whatsoever. AEG's aren't extremely accurate, and you'll always get off target when you adjust your hop-up. When I had mine, I just looked down the rail as a sight and watched where my rounds were going, and it was just as effective as any other AEG I owned.

They weren't ATTACHED, but the guy took them out of the box and let me take a look at them.

After looking down the rail though, I can def see how it'd work just fine. When using the other guy's Jing Gongs, I never did use the sights either.

 

[FoxDie]

They weren't ATTACHED, but the guy took them out of the box and let me take a look at them.

After looking down the rail though, I can def see how it'd work just fine. When using the other guy's Jing Gongs, I never did use the sights either.

Yep, you should be fine.

Let me know how you like it if you end up buying one :thumbs:

 

[sinkoman]

Yep, you should be fine.

Let me know how you like it if you end up buying one :thumbs:

So, I went into the shop again today to get my friends gun fixed, and the storeowner saw me holding the display model AUG.

He then says "Aw, you should have came earlier. We already sold all the other ones, that's the last one".

And I was just "D:"

He proceeds to offer me this entirely decked out aug he's got in a glass case, and is willing to take 200 off the price just for me (leaving it at 400 USD), and I say no.

So, long story short, the gun's on hold, and i'm going to get it tommorow!

 

[FoxDie]

So, I went into the shop again today to get my friends gun fixed, and the storeowner saw me holding the display model AUG.

He then says "Aw, you should have came earlier. We already sold all the other ones, that's the last one".

And I was just "D:"

He proceeds to offer me this entirely decked out aug he's got in a glass case, and is willing to take 200 off the price just for me (leaving it at 400 USD), and I say no.

So, long story short, the gun's on hold, and i'm going to get it tommorow!

Score :cheers:!

What upgrades does it have? You'll have to post/PM me some pics

 

[sinkoman]

Score :cheers:!

What upgrades does it have? You'll have to post/PM me some pics

Haha, I think you read me wrong.

I meant that I put the TM STOCK AUG on hold. **** that, i'm no where near serious enough to put a 400+ dollar gun to good use

But in terms of upgrades, there's a carbon fiber silencer, a tracer unit, a scope, the internals have been uppped to pump 420 FPS, and I believe he also mounted some rails onto the gun.

 

[FoxDie]

Haha, I think you read me wrong.

I meant that I put the TM STOCK AUG on hold. **** that, i'm no where near serious enough to put a 400+ dollar gun to good use

But in terms of upgrades, there's a carbon fiber silencer, a tracer unit, a scope, the internals have been uppped to pump 420 FPS, and I believe he also mounted some rails onto the gun.

Haha yeah, misunderstood you there. $400 is pretty steep, if he really was taking off $200, it would almost be worth it

Regardless, let me know how you like it

 

[sinkoman]

Hehehe, picked it up today, and i've got the battery charging atm.

Few questions. I know that you're supposed to overcharge a brand new battery before use, but i'm not sure for how long. I've heard both 12 and 24 hours, which would be better?

And there's this little button on the top of the charging handle, and i'm not sure what it does. I thought for a few minutes that it might be a forward assist, but then I realized "wait, this is an airsoft gun, not a real gun". What's it do?

How can I go about reloading this locap mag in the field without using the loading rod? Do I absolutely HAVE to buy one of those magazine-looking speed loaders with the slide at the top that you push over and over and over? Can I just use my regular can type speed loaders with the funnel?

And I hear that the forward hand grip gets flimsy over time. I'm curious as to what it is that causes this, because I figure I can prevent the condition easier if I know what causes it.

So pleased with the gun so far though, i'm hoping I can get out and play tomorrow :E

 

[Vegeta897]

Gratz on the gun! I've never heard of intentionally overcharging batteries, but I'm no expert.

The button on top of the charging handle might release the spring if it's partially compressed, or it might just be there for design. My MP7 has something like that which does nothing at all.

There's really nothing bad with loading mags with the push-slider speedloader thing. What are you referring to in the last sentence of that paragraph? Don't waste your money on an electric loader, if that's what you're thinking.

The flimsyness probably isn't caused by anything special or preventable during normal use... If you really don't want it to get flimsy just never pull it down and use it horizontally.

 

[sinkoman]

Gratz on the gun! I've never heard of intentionally overcharging batteries, but I'm no expert.

The button on top of the charging handle might release the spring if it's partially compressed, or it might just be there for design. My MP7 has something like that which does nothing at all.

There's really nothing bad with loading mags with the push-slider speedloader thing. What are you referring to in the last sentence of that paragraph? Don't waste your money on an electric loader, if that's what you're thinking.

The flimsyness probably isn't caused by anything special or preventable during normal use... If you really don't want it to get flimsy just never pull it down and use it horizontally.

Ok, thanks for the info. Yeah, i'm guessing that it's just there for show.

What I meant by the loaders was these: http://www.redwolfairsoft.com/redwolf/airsoft/ProductDetail?prodID=20084

I don't want to have to carry a ready-to-go loading rod with me when i'm playing. Looks like it'd be too easy to break it.

 

[FoxDie]

Ok, thanks for the info. Yeah, i'm guessing that it's just there for show.

What I meant by the loaders was these: http://www.redwolfairsoft.com/redwolf/airsoft/ProductDetail?prodID=20084

I don't want to have to carry a ready-to-go loading rod with me when i'm playing. Looks like it'd be too easy to break it.

Glad you like the gun so far

Anyway, I always stuck to using the loading rods so I don't have much experience with any kind of autoloader. I've seen people use the electric ones before, but I think they're sorta finicky. The one you linked to looks like it's worth a shot. Are you planning on using standard cap mags, or hicap mags?

About the batteries, what kind of charger do you have? Some chargers have an auto-cutoff feature, where they stop charging the battery once it's full. I've never really heard of overcharging the the battery, but I have heard it's a good idea to let it run completely dead after the first charge.

I'm pretty sure that button on the charging handle is nonfunctional on the airsoft AUG. I never had too much trouble with the front foregrip wearing down, it just seemed delicate. The only thing I'd watch out for is the magazines. When you insert them into the rifle, get into the habit of depressing the magazine release as you put them in, then releasing it when they are seated. AUG's sometimes get their magazine catch worn down from the friction of the mags against them if you don't do this, and you'll end up having misfeeds.

 

[Vegeta897]

Uhhh wtf Sinko? I thought you said you didn't want the loader where you push the thing over and over, but then you said you wanted that other thing, which is the exact same thing you said you didn't want 2 sentences ago?

If you want to avoid the speedloader entirely just buy hicap mags like FoxDie mentioned.

 

[Bob_Marley]

To hi-jack the thread, I bought a HFC M11 today. My last airsoft purchase before the law change over here.

'Tis hella fun. Blowback + full auto = .

Certainly wouldn't use it over my P90 or M733 as a primary ('cept maybe at a really close in CQB site, once I've got a couple more mags), but its fantastic fun to shoot and a good deal smaller. So I shall certianly be stuffing down my combat jacket next time I go to a game.

 

[sinkoman]

Uhhh wtf Sinko? I thought you said you didn't want the loader where you push the thing over and over, but then you said you wanted that other thing, which is the exact same thing you said you didn't want 2 sentences ago?

If you want to avoid the speedloader entirely just buy hicap mags like FoxDie mentioned.

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The thing I linked is a little box with 100+ rounds in it, and you just jam the top into your mag, and crank the button on the top a few times to load some rounds in.

Alot less clunky than the whole loading rod operation.

We went and played yesterday, and the gun is working just dandy for me. I just need to pick up some .2g rounds, because using the .25g rounds that my M11 could handle just fine, the range is about on par WITH my M11 D: Bit of a problem though, I don't know how to clean the gun. Should I be cleaning it after every day of play?

Other than that, loving the gun. A little heavy, and I ran into a few times where i'd be charging the enemy position, dive under an enclave or rocks or something, and realize "holy shit, I am tired as a MOFO! I never got this worn down with my M11!"

I assume that's just because i'm not used to running around with a rifle though. That M11 was so handy though, it was the absolute PERFECT stealth weapon. You could get so close to the enemy without having to worry about lugging around your gun and making any noise with it.

I'll have to get a thigh strap or something, just so I can still use her as a side arm. I'm terribly missing using one hand to hold onto a branch, while leaning out and using the other hand to fire. It was so easy to just pop my head through the tiniest of crevices and pop off a few rounds.

I'm using the standard locap at the moment, and plan to get another, as opposed to a hicap or a speed-loader. I figure I can deal with the loading rod, so long as I can get some headspace in terms of ammunition.

I hate hicaps. Anybody with a hicap can use their gun as a squad auto and run around like they're an LMGer, it gets really irritating. That's the whole reason I decided to start playing airsoft instead of paintball, because of how casual the games were, and because paintball was "dodge the ****ing ammo", instead of "think and play tactically".

I finally figured out the battery stuff. Turns out that the connections on the tamiya plugs were lose as a mofo, so i'll have to buy some more connectors and then rig those up to the thing.

What I did was I charged the battery till it was hot, took it off the charger, let it cool, and then popped it back on till it got hot again. Sound ok?

I know enough about electronics to jerry rig my own discharger up though, yet i've been told that it's better to store the battery with some charge in it, and then just discharge it before the next charge session. Is this true?

EDIT: I see what you mean now vegie. Sorry about the misunderstanding. the link I included was just to show what I was stalking about. I'd still rather not have to spend money on one :thumbs:

 

[Vegeta897]

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The thing I linked is a little box with 100+ rounds in it, and you just jam the top into your mag, and crank the button on the top a few times to load some rounds in.

Dude, that's exactly the thing you said you didn't want. "one of those magazine-looking speed loaders with the slide at the top that you push over and over and over?"

The one you linked doesn't look exactly like a mag, but they usually do and they are the SAME thing. You fit around 100 bbs into it, and you push the slider thing to load about 4 at a time. AKA pushing it over and over (about 25 times for all 100 rounds)

Magazine-shaped speed loader you said you didn't want:

The one you linked:

They're the same thing dude.

Still confused at what you were thinking.

Edit: Ok, then what DO you want? If you dont want the stick loader, and you dont want the push loader, there's no other choice but hicaps.

 

[sinkoman]

Edit: Ok, then what DO you want? If you dont want the stick loader, and you dont want the push loader, there's no other choice but hicaps.

Lol, more confushens.

I meant, "i'd rather not have to buy one if I don't have to, because regular speedloaders are a billion times cheaper".

Need helpshens.

I picked up a second standard cap mag (80 rounds), 9,000 .2g BBs (G&P brand), and a facemask. I was using what remained of my battery from the skirmishes yesterday to shoot off the .2g bbs, trying to get my hop up set, and I noticed that every so often, i'd get a misfire (meaning nothing pops out, and then on the next shot, two rounds end up fired off). I knew it wasn't a problem with the hop up, because it still did it every so often when I had the hop up set all the way to normal, and I even stripped the gun and checked the hop system (all was well). It was random too, and not too frequent, maybe 12 times out of 4 80 round magazines.

So, I charged up my battery, loaded up both my brand new mag and the one that came with the gun to the brim, and emptied both on semi auto to see if I could replicate the issue. Nope, nothing problematic occurred.

So i'm asking, what could have caused those misfires? Could it have been the battery? Do I need to lube up my barrel? Is my hop system bad?

 

[Vegeta897]

I'm pretty sure that would be a magazine problem. Cheap mags usually do that. You can try lubing the mag.

 

[FoxDie]

Lol, more confushens.

I meant, "i'd rather not have to buy one if I don't have to, because regular speedloaders are a billion times cheaper".

Need helpshens.

I picked up a second standard cap mag (80 rounds), 9,000 .2g BBs (G&P brand), and a facemask. I was using what remained of my battery from the skirmishes yesterday to shoot off the .2g bbs, trying to get my hop up set, and I noticed that every so often, i'd get a misfire (meaning nothing pops out, and then on the next shot, two rounds end up fired off). I knew it wasn't a problem with the hop up, because it still did it every so often when I had the hop up set all the way to normal, and I even stripped the gun and checked the hop system (all was well). It was random too, and not too frequent, maybe 12 times out of 4 80 round magazines.

So, I charged up my battery, loaded up both my brand new mag and the one that came with the gun to the brim, and emptied both on semi auto to see if I could replicate the issue. Nope, nothing problematic occurred.

So i'm asking, what could have caused those misfires? Could it have been the battery? Do I need to lube up my barrel? Is my hop system bad?

I'd say it's the magazine too. Make sure it's seated all of the way. I think the problem stems from the spring taking too much time to drive the BB's into the chamber between firing each round, probably caused by either a weak feeding spring, or too much friction between the inside of the magazine and the plastic piece on top of the feed spring. The only solution I can think of is to possibly lubricate the inside of the magazine, but I'm not exactly sure how you would go about doing that

Does it tend to happen more frequently when the magazine is getting low on ammo?

 

[Vegeta897]

Some mags are just not too well made.

The hicaps that came with my MP5 were shit. Misfeeds constantly.

Though, you might be able to just "wear them in" after enough use they'll be better.

I'm surprised that a Tokyo Marui mag would be that poor, though.

 

[sinkoman]

I'd say it's the magazine too. Make sure it's seated all of the way. I think the problem stems from the spring taking too much time to drive the BB's into the chamber between firing each round, probably caused by either a weak feeding spring, or too much friction between the inside of the magazine and the plastic piece on top of the feed spring. The only solution I can think of is to possibly lubricate the inside of the magazine, but I'm not exactly sure how you would go about doing that

Does it tend to happen more frequently when the magazine is getting low on ammo?

Yes. I don't know which magazine it was, because when I was testing, I was just alternating between them without much thought as to "which was which", and I was only filling each mag up with around 10 or 20 rounds.

I asked on airsoftforums.com and I was told it could either be the new mag is causing double feeds, the new hop up system is being a biatch and causing double feeds, or, more likely, it's because it's a new gun and my barrel isn't lubed at all.

Was told to lube it and see how that helps things, so i'll try that

And yeah, it's a brand new Tokyo Marui standard-cap mag, and upon further inspection, it seems identical to the mag that came with the gun. BUT, I have noticed that the spring seems a BIT easier to depress on this one that the one that came with the gun.

EDIT: BTW, how would I go about lubing my barrel? Do I just drop some silicone oil into the hopper, and then fire off a few shots, and then wipe down the barrel?

 

[FoxDie]

Yes. I don't know which magazine it was, because when I was testing, I was just alternating between them without much thought as to "which was which", and I was only filling each mag up with around 10 or 20 rounds.

I asked on airsoftforums.com and I was told it could either be the new mag is causing double feeds, the new hop up system is being a biatch and causing double feeds, or, more likely, it's because it's a new gun and my barrel isn't lubed at all.

Was told to lube it and see how that helps things, so i'll try that

And yeah, it's a brand new Tokyo Marui standard-cap mag, and upon further inspection, it seems identical to the mag that came with the gun. BUT, I have noticed that the spring seems a BIT easier to depress on this one that the one that came with the gun.

EDIT: BTW, how would I go about lubing my barrel? Do I just drop some silicone oil into the hopper, and then fire off a few shots, and then wipe down the barrel?

It would be best to get a cleaning rod (did one come with the gun?) and use a piece of cleaning tissue with silicone on it to wipe down the barrel. It's also pretty common to give a quick spray inside the magwell (inside the feed port.)

 

[sinkoman]

It would be best to get a cleaning rod (did one come with the gun?) and use a piece of cleaning tissue with silicone on it to wipe down the barrel. It's also pretty common to give a quick spray inside the magwell (inside the feed port.)

Does the type of tissue matter? The manual says to use cotton, can I use cotton makeup removal-application strips?

Yes, I do have a cleaning rod btw.

I played today though, without lubing my barrel, and the only problems I had were two rounds that came out of the gun at such a low velocity, that they basically "fell" out the barrel. This it out of 3,000+ BBs though, so i'm hoping that they were just freak incidents.

It seems though like it got alot more difficult to load my mags with the loading tubes though. The force required for the last 20 or so is so much that I was just using my friend's speedloader.

I pulled my barrel out after a round where I was laying in the mud all game, just to make sure that my barrel didn't have any noticeable dirt spots in it that'd scratch anything, and forgot to remove my magazine before removing my barrel. After reinserting the barrel, the only problem I had was that the first trigger pull ended in an audible "CLICK", without anything actually firing, but after that, I didn't seem to have any more problems (aside from those two low velocity rounds I mentioned). Is there any chance I damaged something?