Alan Wake is Vista exclusive!!!

guys, whats wrong with vista ? I ve been using it since it came out and its a very powerfull OS, the only problem is with the drivers. Companies like Nvidia and ATI needs more time to design better drivers thats all.

off course Vista requires 4GB of memory to get the WOW factor.
 
mortiz said:
However as far as I'm aware the XBox 360 doesn't support Direct3D 10, which Alan Wake is said to use, so technically the PC version should look better than the XBox 360 version.
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XB360 uses a DX9-DX10 hybrid API, sorta like a DX9.5, just like the XB1 used a hybrid off DX7 and DX8 iirc.. And its VERY important to remember a console can do alot more with alot less.

Look at Halo 2 on the XB1, it uses normal mapping and bloom to some extent, and the XB1 uses a DX7-based GPU, I doubt we'd see a PC game with a DX7 GPU running a game with normal-mapping, bump-mapping etc and dynamic lightning(To some extent).
 
The price for Vista isn't the problem. It's the reason to install. And for me, there isn't one.
 
Evo said:
If coming out late 2008 (as Dig implied) then DX10 will be running very well (i predict) and it will make Vista worth it after SP1 sorts out issues that people have with it
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<3
 
Im sick of Microsoft grabbing money, well they aint getting anymore of mine. Ill stand by 360 till death, the graphics currently being used are awsome anyway on high end capabilities, i couldn't give two shits if they can get better, its perfect how it is as far as i am concerned.
 
Shift said:
Im sick of Microsoft grabbing money, well they aint getting anymore of mine. Ill stand by 360 till death, the graphics currently being used are awsome anyway on high end capabilities, i couldn't give two shits if they can get better, its perfect how it is as far as i am concerned.
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Summary: I hate Microsoft with a passion, but I worship my X360.

gg
 
No, Microsoft have done well with the 360 and i will always love the 360, but in terms of PCs, and how they are upgrading them at a rate at which burns holes in the pockets of your average customers and hounds the money in for them, i hate them for that reason.

But yes, the 360 is and always will be a fine piece of hardware.
 
I'll just acquire Vista when certain patches are released by certain pirating groups.

I'm not doing it rite am I
 
Someone write a well thought out letter to the devs, in fact.. maybe I will.

http://www.alanwake.com/

^ it appears they are working along side Microsoft Gaming Studios D: D: D: , the site even says vista exclusive
 
Haha, you guys are such little girls and some people have said amazingly clueless things.
 
lol @ all the people who claim they wont give any more money to microsoft, yet are hugging their xb360. GG hypocrites!

We can dual boot vista and xp right? My immoral download ethics give me no pause when it comes to obtaining vista, but i still need a functional OS for at least part of the time.
 
Gargantou said:
XB360 uses a DX9-DX10 hybrid API, sorta like a DX9.5, just like the XB1 used a hybrid off DX7 and DX8 iirc.. And its VERY important to remember a console can do alot more with alot less.

Look at Halo 2 on the XB1, it uses normal mapping and bloom to some extent, and the XB1 uses a DX7-based GPU, I doubt we'd see a PC game with a DX7 GPU running a game with normal-mapping, bump-mapping etc and dynamic lightning(To some extent).
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Not exactly true, the original XBox used a GeForce 3/4 level card, which you could run Doom 3 on the PC, granted, at about 20 FPS.

Still, the differences between Direct3D "9.5" as you call it and full Direct3D 10 are quite large.
 
mortiz said:
Not exactly true, the original XBox used a GeForce 3/4 level card, which you could run Doom 3 on the PC, granted, at about 20 FPS.

Still, the differences between Direct3D "9.5" as you call it and full Direct3D 10 are quite large.
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I'm sure they can just update that with each game if necessary - like how the latest games use DX 9c.

It's obviously using something better than DX9c since in games like Ninety-Nine Nights, you can see there are hundreds of fully rendered 3D enemies on-screen. A feature 'easily' done with DX10.
 
You know what's funny about this new shift towards Vista-exclusive games? (assuming this hasn't been pointed out already)

Vista Basic is almost as much as the Xbox 360 core package. LOL! GG Micro$oft.






...


*secretly hugs his 360 and Vista*
 
mortiz, got any source for how large the difference is then?
 
Bad^Hat said:
You know what's funny about this new shift towards Vista-exclusive games? (assuming this hasn't been pointed out already)

Vista Basic is almost as much as the Xbox 360 core package. LOL! GG Micro$oft.






...


*secretly hugs his 360 and Vista*
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I think I'll be getting a 360 at some point anyway. >_>
 
Stigmata said:
What?
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what ? w0ot ? You should start reading review sites.

vista ultimate consume 800MB of memory.... to run next gen / this gen games without any lag to the system you need extra 2GB free and ready.



What ? :dozey:
 
Krynn72 said:
lol @ all the people who claim they wont give any more money to microsoft, yet are hugging their xb360. GG hypocrites!

We can dual boot vista and xp right? My immoral download ethics give me no pause when it comes to obtaining vista, but i still need a functional OS for at least part of the time.
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With BootMagic or similar software. Both OS like to be the only OS, so you need something like Boot Magic to make them play nice.


My brother uses Boot Magic, as he has both OS's for his work as a Windows programmer.

Basically, when restarting or booting up his system, there is a menu there where you choose which OS to run.

It's not as simple as the boot selection that your Bios comes with. It's a program to trick them to allow them both to be the main OS.

Looks like it's $15. Well worth it so you can have these two OS's on one PC without any problems.

EDIT:
Well at least I thought it was necessary. Looks like this guy didn't have any problems.
Dose anyone suggest the use of BootMagic? Im currently running 3 OS's: Windows XP, Windows x64, and Windows Vista. Is there any point to using BootMagic? Or is BootMagic only meant for special situations? Just prefference? If so, would you suggest the use of it?
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So I don't know if it's necessary after all. I'll worry about it when I need to.


Anway to clarify, looks like BootMagic is free with the $15 PartitionMagic software.

PowerQuestOs BootMagic is a powerful disk-management tool that helps
you run multiple operating systems on a single PC. Each time you start
or restart your computer, BootMagic presents a list of operating
systems (OSs) you can boot from. The configuration program lets you
quickly select the OSs you want to appear in the BootMagic Menu and
lets you set various boot-time options such as a default OS and a
startup delay.
With BootMagic, you can easily switch between OSs, using whichever OS
best suits your immediate needs. You can even try out a new OS
risk-free, knowing that your old OS is there, readily accessible
when you need it.
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All I know is that Vista boots differently than any other OS. It first loads Winload.exe (not the virus) and the OS is booted from there.
 
Gargantou said:
mortiz, got any source for how large the difference is then?
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The biggest are of course the geometry shaders and the fact that Direct3D 10 completely does away with the fixed function pipelines and makes everything programmable. Geometry shaders allows for things such as displacement mapping, motion blur (which is done in software in most games at the moment but using geometry shaders this will speed this up significantly and allow greater use of the effect), instancing, shadow volumes and other things. They also allow for new geometry to be created on the fly quickly.
 
Yeah but I mean, from where do you have a reliable statement that the 360 isnt capable of these things?
 
I thought the 360 had an earlier version of an ATi HD card. :|
 
Gorgon said:
what ? w0ot ? You should start reading review sites.

vista ultimate consume 800MB of memory.... to run next gen / this gen games without any lag to the system you need extra 2GB free and ready.



What ? :dozey:
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I have Vista Ultimate and it's using 485mb, and I could still even turn off programs in the background if I wanted to conserve more memory. I currently have a gig of RAM, so that measn I have 515mb free, which is more than the Xbox360's 512 by a hair. I'm also at one of the min spec systems, so you should have 2GB if you want to run some of the next-gen games. Yes, that is also using the fanciest effects Vista has to offer... Jesus you have your "facts" way wrong.

On top of that, when you go into games, it disables all of the fancy effects so it frees up a _ton_ of memory and CPU time. In previous versions of Windows, GDI+ can't quickly offload and reload everything, and keeps taking up memory that could be used by the game. That's not so in Vista thanks to it using DirectX now.

Damn there is some ignorant anti-Vista hate going on in here. Seriously, stop with the Vista hate unless you can prove something. Sure, having games go Vista exclusive is a pain for those who don't want to upgrade. Well, guess what. You want the games, you upgrade your platform. So you can all whine and bitch about how much MS has murdered you inside, but I'll be playing the games and I'll be enjoying it thoroughly.
 
Im not saying Vista is rubbish, im saying Microsoft are using a potentially brilliant game, and making it only playable to the newest hardware, to blackmail people into buying that new hardware for huge amounts of cash, because know pure gamers wont resist it. They will either blow cash on upgrading, or blow cash on an X360, either way its a win situation for them.

Well i think why should i spend all this money on a PC when i can play pretty much the same game on the X360, where i know it will run as smooth as a babies bottom.
 
Gorgon said:
off course Vista requires 4GB of memory to get the WOW factor.
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Only in 64bit learn your memory addressing.

Vista = bad platform now.

Vista by time of Alan Wake release = not so bad and quite feasible.
 
No Limit said:
Too bad all other older games blow on vista. So looks like you will need 2 different PCs to play new games and old games. Thanks Microsoft.
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I for one did not throw away my XP machine when I upgraded (no part was interchangeable) so I don't see what the problem is.
--

Oh and guys, welcome to the process of standardization.
 
I think the main reason why everyone has Vista debates is because those using Vista have that holier than though attitude while the rest of us have a, don't give a crap attitude.
 
My reason for not getting is because of older games not working properly and because of DRM.
 
Ah yes, DRM. Pure evil...
 
My reason for not getting it is mainly the price.

And because I tried it briefly on my father's friend's laptop, and it just didn't appeal to me... there's a pop-up for every damn thing you do.
And it just doesn't feel like it warrants the need for all that computer power... even though I have everything needed to run it, it just seems silly.
Again, I only got to use it briefly... for a couple hours maybe.

Once it drastically goes down in price, in the $80/$90 range, you can bet your ass that I'll be getting it.
 
Gunner said:
Buy OEM. Save $$$.
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Gunner, what exactly is the difference from the OEM and non-OEM. If by OEM you mean pre-installed on your machine?


For me, based on my experience, there is no way I'd ever go without a full set of OS discs to re-install it completely .... for when (not if) you get a "nuke it from orbit" problem.


Or an upgrade package or what? Then you have to install the older OS first, before it will let you upgrade it, which, with XP, takes about an hour at least.

I plan to dual boot XP and Vista, so I'm not sure that I'd be able to upgrade 1 copy of XP, while still having a working copy of XP on the same PC, then adding Vista?

... would definitely at least need a separate partition/hard drive.

Could be complicated/not possible.
 
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