Alyx Vance dying?

Should Alyx Vance die at the end of Ep 3?

  • No - I like her, she stays

    Votes: 60 51.3%

  • No - Get out from the plot in other way than dying

    Votes: 13 11.1%

  • Yes - I like to be alone

    Votes: 7 6.0%

  • Yes - Change her with another npc

    Votes: 2 1.7%

  • Does't matter - Whatever Valve wants

    Votes: 35 29.9%
  • Total voters
    117
no, she should be taken by the compine and used as the prototype for the new female assassin-like class of the combine overwatch. Then you have to kill her. It makes perfect sense.
 
doubt it although i do prefer to be alone
i hate the fact that i have to protect her
and in Smod she has normal health and doesent regenarate like normal so its impossible to keep alive and i cant use explosives T~T
 
No, I like her. I don't think Alyx will die theres too much invested in her not just emotionally and technically but she seems to be increasingly important to others - most obviously the G-Man but also to the Vorts - "If we lose her, we lose all!" - which suggests she's more important to them than we're aware of. They also took the trouble to rescue her from the Dark Energy reactor explosion at the start of Episode 1. Also theres a growing connection between her and Gordon "we weave the Freeman's life with hers, almost Vortal this connection between you!" - all suggests increasing importance. So I can't see it ending with her death in the the next episode. Doesn't mean it won't happen of course, but I'd be surprised if it does. Actually, very surprised.

Samon said:
Or Mossman, who's got little to live for now her lover has had his brains scrambled by Space Slugs.
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I can see her sacrificing herself for the greater good now that Eli's gone, I think thats a possibility.

Samon said:
I'm pretty positive she won't actually die. I mean, Episode 2 opened the way for her joining Gordon on his off-world travels; the Gman is now taking an immense interest in her and clearly we're going to be leaving Earth at the end of Episode 3. She's just lost the one thing that truly meant something to her - she's now free to go. You can always predict things like this because Valve always go with the logical progression.
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Exactly. She's lost the one emotional attachment that still tied her to Earth.

altceva said:
I thought of Alyx dying because some reasons.

First of all, the whole universe of Half-Life is tragic. There's no picnic with creatures from outer space invading and enslaving the Earth. Yes, it's humour here and there, to enlighten the moment, but the entire background is sad, depressive, even apocalyptic. Death lurks everwhere.

Second, you had Alyx in three games till now, and the fourth to come, Ep3. Yes, she's a very good character, the developers made the player to simpathy with her goals, to like the way she acts, the way she speaks, the way she fights. Gordon and Alyx have a strong relation with each other, full of trust. The fact that she would somehow die to protect Gordon(me) will make her a martir for Gordon's(my) cause. I don't think it's a cliche, well... not more than having her follow you 3 more games from now on. Till now, Gordon fighted for his survival, with that he fulfilled some wishes for the misterious entity G-man. Once the vorts interfired and blocked G-man's authority over Gordon, he's main goal is the survival of the Earth. The beauty of the story and all the plot is finally reduced at staying alive and solving puzzles, nothing more. Imagine what would have happend if that hunter killed Alyx. No returning to life, no vorts, nothing. Dead. Suddenly, the hunter would have been the most hated enemy in Half Life. When you would fight hunters after that, rage would occur. You would have a better reason to click that goddamn mouse. They killed your best friend! If something like this will happend, I guarantee you that every player will be overwhelmed by guilt and sorrow and the game after becomes a personal vendetta, suddenly you feel when you're playing. There's a fact: "you are aware of a thing's true value only after that thing is no more." What good for a tied relation with Alyx, what good all this simpathy, smiling and flirting, what good for the ideea of trust if this relation never get harmed? Imagine the loss of a girlfriend in real life. How does it feel after? The things you have no more... Besides, for the ones who want to enjoy the Alyx moments, there are 4 games with her, available.

The third reason for killing her is that is NOT cliche. Maybe is cliche in a cheap movie. But this is a game, a virtual experience where the main character is you! Everthing arround you is build for you, for impressing you, for entertaining you. The death of a good friend here will have direct impact over the player. You don't play to survive and save the mankind anymore. You play to kick some serious ass in revenge for what they do to your friend.

And please, stop bringing false reasons like : "they worked so hard on developing her, it would be stupid to kill her, there are many things that she can do more". Well, what's more? Will she start cooking? Will Gordon marry her, maybe some little semi-afro-geek-science kids with little crowbars? :)
Valve has the technology to make some other character. Working hard at Alyx's model or another character's model is the same thing. Besides, Half Life 3 with a perfectly designed Alyx would be boring (don't shoot, it's my opinion).

At the end, i would like to mention my affinity for the first Half Life game, where i was completly alone. Meeting npc-es on my way and making them follow me for a while knowing that i can leave them anytime was a very cool ideea. Even Half Life 2 has very long parts where i can be alone, analising the environment by myself. I know we humans are social beings and we need to share. But sometimes the reason why i play and re-play Half Life game is that i want to take a brake of my girlfriend chit-chat, to be alone and to do things on my own, for fun. With a very human-like character at my back who talks and talks and talks... well, it's a bit annoying, despite her charisma, jokes and other things she does.
Personaly, i think 4 games are enough of Alyx. She is the most developed character in Half Life series, but it's time to leave me alone again. And no vorts replacer, not even Barney.

P.S. I hope noone will get angry on me because of this. :) Peace!
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Thats a interesting argument and I don't really have any really long, thought out argument to counter it but I will say that I don't believe this will happen because:

a) Yes, they could develop another character to replace her but I can't see it happening this late in the game. Look at Magnusson: as Yahtzee's review put it, he's suddenly introduced this late in the series and it's like coming home to find a walrus sitting at your dining table: everyone acts as if he's always been there and you're the only one who notices somethings very... wrong. As Samon said Valve likes to progress logically and introducing a new character at this late stage just wouldn't be too much of a new beginning. It's possible, but just don't see it happening.

b) I can't see them having little Gordons running about the place or any kind of serious relationship developing: it's just too short a time. HL2, Ep1 and 2 only take place over a matter of days, a week or two at most and there just isn't time not to mention the fact that it's non-stop action all the way, saving Earth and all. Maybe after it's all over when and they have time to take stock, but not yet. At most I can see a hint, a suggestion that they have a future together, but no more than that and frankly, it doesn't need any more than that. Anything else would be overkill. In anycase if thats not whats intended eventually why introduce a female companion in the first place? Why not have Barney (or some other male NPC) follow you around everywhere? Sure, you do get him for a short time and a Vort too but it's not for terribly long.

c) This is not so much an argument as a personal preferance just as yours is to be alone: I like having her around I like the company and judging by this poll, the majority do too and most of the rest have no strong objection.

Just my opinion. Read nothing more into it than that.

Yes, Valve has taken a lot of time developing Alyx's character - but surely they would've done it for some reason. It's like this, remember the first time you ever watched the final star wars movie - Darth Vader's character was so well built up, then he eventually sacrifices himself to save his son. This whole image of evil was built up around him, then he shatters it and does something drastic - we didnt expect it.
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This is way off topic but death for Vader was part of his redemption - he turned from a "bad" too a "good" character - he had to die there was no alternative he'd have been tried and likely executed as a war criminal by the rebels if they'd have caught him. But really I don't want to go into a discussion about this.
 
Shift said:
Boss? Sorry this a 21st century game.
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The canals helicopter, gunship at little odessa, 5 dropships at the lighthouse, 5 striders at the nexus, Breen core, lostcoast helicopter, ep1 gunship, ep1 strider, ep2 guardian + guard, ep2 helicopter, ep2 autogun and finally 6-7 striders with 10-11 hunters on outland_12.

Bosses.
 
Iron_cube said:
The canals helicopter, gunship at little odessa, 5 dropships at the lighthouse, 5 striders at the nexus, Breen core, lostcoast helicopter, ep1 gunship, ep1 strider, ep2 guardian + guard, ep2 helicopter, ep2 autogun and finally 6-7 striders with 10-11 hunters on outland_12.

Bosses.
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Personally I prefer Chance-Meetings-Of-Opposition-Of-A-Higher-Rank-Face-Off than "Boss".
 
Companioncube? said:
If she does die this is how I hope it goes down.


G-man, being the persistent bastard he is, should regain control over Gordon. Then, somehow the combine pay enough for "His contract" (Breen did say it was up for the highest bidder.) And so the game goes into a major role reversal. He is now fighting WITH the combine and against the resistance.

After losing Eli the resistance has taken a major blow to the face. If they lost Gordon too the main resistance figure heads left would be Alyx, Mossman (if she is still alive), Barney, and our resident Headcrab owning Scientist Kleiner.

That doesn't leave much, so in desperation Alyx becomes somewhat of the resistance leader and you, as the combines new crowbar wielding superweapon. Starting killing off resistance.

There may even be a level where you trick some resistance fighters into falling into a combine trap due to the fact that word of your "betrayal" didn't go around quick enough. That would be fun.

Then after riding a strider or something you have to attack a resistance base. You meet up with Alyx and have to kill her.


This will NEVER HAPPEN in a million years...but maybe some modder out there will use this.

I just love irony
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No.

Just.

No.
 
Iron_cube said:
The canals helicopter, gunship at little odessa, 5 dropships at the lighthouse, 5 striders at the nexus, Breen core, lostcoast helicopter, ep1 gunship, ep1 strider, ep2 guardian + guard, ep2 helicopter, ep2 autogun and finally 6-7 striders with 10-11 hunters on outland_12.

Bosses.
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How on earth are they classed as 'bosses', they were the more powerful weapons at the Combines disposle used against you at certain times of the story's progression. The Breen Core? You must be joking. Maybe yes if he was in a massive robotic suite of armour with multiple lasers and rocket launchers attached to it, then yes that would be a 'Boss'. You couldn't have got it more wrong, Valve dont do bosses, im sure they quoted that at some point.
 
According to that Gammygoose guy's opinion, the only boss Valve ever did was the Nihalinth in HL1, which seems accurate to me. Striders, gunships, guardians, etc., etc., - there are multiples of all these, not a single 'boss.' There was only one Nihalinth (that we ever saw).

As to Alyx, I think this is a no-brainer.

While killing Eli was a daring, bold move, it was not outside the bounds of the typical constraints of fiction. While we all loved Eli, he was ultimately ancillary to the purpose of the story. Killing Alyx, on the other hand, would be creative suicide, because there would in essence be nothing left to fight for. I know, I know, you could fight for humanity, or revenge, or whatever else you care to think of, but IMO in some primitive part of the mind it still always boils down to fighting for the girl. Saving the girl is how you save humanity, in symbolic terms. (Not trying to be sexist there btw; you could insert 'protagonist' for 'girl' if you wish.) Alyx has come to be the unifying image behind the very struggle that the HL series depicts, particularly now that she has been wounded so savagely by her father's barbaric death.
 
The old school boss is very much out dated - at least in HL. I consider the Breen Core to be something of a "21st Century boss".
 
If anything... Her being the most developed character in the game is even more of a reason to kill her off, but I still don't think valve will, Gman wouldnt let that happen, at the end Gman may just take you and Alyx to his stasis area and leave you both until Episode 3 or he will take you, being more valuable and leave Alyx to do as he wishes...;)

And if this is the case I see no reason for a return of her or DOG in Half Life 3, presuming its the same time increase that the first 2 hls were, otherwise no. Because thing about it, Alyx is still about 20ish so she will only be 40ish (props) in HL3 and DOG has no reason to die, hes a robot, but even so, she wouldnt be a good companion in HL3, it would be like having Mossman following around trying to flirt with Gordon...just wrong

EDIT: And Bill, please don't start with all that 'Save the companion, Save the world' lol
 
Things that you must destroy in order to make progress in the game is usually the true definition of a boss :rolleyes:
 
After developing Alyx's character for so long, it would seem wasteful and pointless to kill her off in Episode Three. Like the G-Man, Valve does not want to squander its investment, and there is still plenty of room for her both in the character development area and also with regard to her place in the plot.

Besides, killing Alyx off in Episode Three would be cheesy and cliched. If she does die, it will be in a later installment in the HL series, and her death would seem much more appropriate and would advance the story more purposefully.

Besides, now that the G-Man is involved in her fate, she's being to be a lot more difficult to kill (unless he is somehow incapacitated and unable to save her). Also remember that Gordon's and Alyx's lives are now bound by the Vortessence.
 
She won't die. That would just be a waste, and would remove all emotional attachment that the Half-Life 2 era has built up. At most they will have Episode 3 end with Gordon and Alyx being seperated, by the G-Man or Combine or whatever else Valve have just around the corner for the plot.
 
Even though the Half-Life universe is filled with tragedy there is only so much of that you can put in the games before it becomes absurd.
Valve: Hey you like this character? Well developed, huh? Likeable, right? Well good because we plan on killing him/her.
If Valve continuously offs beloved characters the fans will stop trusting them.
 
well the vorts linked Gordon and Alyx..........I think.....

Gordon and Alyx will combine into one superhuman hermaphrodite and youll be invincible, killing everything in your path :cheese:
 
crewnutz said:
its called a joke.......
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Some things can be taken too far.

The gman gave Alyx the same uncanny ability as he did to you... to Load! Those stutters are when Alyx dies and loads her life again.

But seriously, I'm highly doubting Valve can kill of Alyx, after seriously moulding her personality in Episode Two.
 
In any case, I hope she gets a new outfit. Seeing her running around in the Arctic in her hoodie and cutoff jacket would not be very convincing.
 
leib10 said:
In any case, I hope she gets a new outfit. Seeing her running around in the Arctic in her hoodie and cutoff jacket would not be very convincing.
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Would be even better if she changed in-flight or something. A shame for her to cover up :(
 
leib10 said:
In any case, I hope she gets a new outfit. Seeing her running around in the Arctic in her hoodie and cutoff jacket would not be very convincing.
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In her early models she is wearing a kind of winter jacket. Wouldn't be surprised to see her in that in Ep3.

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I think that is the old jump suit Alyx used to have in the E3 video's, they changed it when Gabe said "So, what makes her different compared to other gaming heroines?" and gave her a more realistic outfit.


Yeah, and it would weird for Alyx to wear that hoodie and taped up jacket in the harsh environments of the Arctic. That little outfit of hers shows alittle bit of her belly, so I don't think it would the warmest outfit to wear. :rolleyes:

Also, one thing that annoys me about Alyx is that she's says some of the most obvious names, earning her the nickname "Captain Obvious" and I wish Valve would make her atleast alittle bit better at comic relief.

She also seems to be too happy, chipper, and perky, epecially towards Gordon in these last few installments. So I wonder if they will change that in Episode 3, unless Valve decide to make it now that Alyx has no parents now and feels so lonely that she seeks Gordon for confort; or they could always make her a "monster" and want to kill every Combine out there.
 
The thing with Alyx is, she's never known a world that isn't Post-Black Mesa. She has never lived an ordinary life. I think her happy nature is pretty reasonable given the circumstances. She's probably going to be quite 'lost' in EP3, given the fact that her father, her pillar in this "Post Black Mesa" world, has been sucked dry by Space Slugs.

I also think she'll need some Arctic Gear.
 
There's no doubt that Alyx will change in Episode Three. It was probably one of the main reasons for killing Eli (to develop her character further) and it would make absolutely no sense to have her continue to act the way she has after experiencing such a terrible and traumatic event.

The question is: can they convey her despair and confusion without getting on the players' nerves?
 
Less perky and more covered up. Hard times ahead for those of us with a near teenage (unless...you are...teenage) obsession with Alyx's body, and the prospect for "a little more then friends" boom chika woaw woaw! scenario.


I look forward to her in episode 3 myself. Finally some real emotional variation. Not like shock!, annoyance! anger! joy!.

I mean long term, the kinda long term that your only living parent getting killed in front of your eyes in such a horrific manner should downright bloody effect you.
 
Valve can go several ways with Alyx in Episode 3 especially with her relationship with the G-man, concidering what she had to witness in front of her can ignite the fuse that turns Alyx into a killing machine like Dr. Gordon Freeman, Cpl Adrian Shephard, etc and becomes what the G-man always had planned for her.

Or they can even make her more humanized by being all emotional, confused, bewildered, etc after witnessing what had happened to her and seek some sort of affection to ease the pain. I wanted too also because the same happened to me a month ago, sorta. D:
After all she is bereaving her fathers death.


Valve can go anyway they want, and I'm quite excited to see what they plan and how it all pan's out.
 
In addition to Alyx remaining in the series, the very last second of the end of the Episode 3 should have gordon freeman actually speaking. And all he should say is "Oh, Shit."
 
I voted No but i dont think AT all that Valve will kill her off. But whatever they decide will be what i stand by.
 
Anthraxxx said:
In addition to Alyx remaining in the series, the very last second of the end of the Episode 3 should have gordon freeman actually speaking. And all he should say is "Oh, Shit."
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We've been through this millions of times. The answer is no. Stop suggesting it.
 
Um, just in case you don't already know this man, but Episode 1, 2, and 3 IS Half-Life 3...

They have said that episode 3 will mark the end of the franchise. Which mean we will actually see an actual ending to the complete story. Personally, I wish it would just end, and they can actually live a normal life. Gordon and Alyx will have cute little babies together, lol.
 
I foresee a darker Alyx, certainly. Vengeful, driven, probably somewhat merciless. I also think that there's a possibility we might see a significant development romantically, amidst all the emotional confusion and bewilderment. Valve has been increasingly hinting attraction for a good time now. From her care of you, to the teasings and innuendo, to her embaressed reactions when it's brought up, and of course the big ol' hug you get in Episode 1.

And seeing as how this is the end of the episodes and the HL2 story arc, it would be quite fitting if this was acknowledged in a meaningful way. Some people might find it corny, but I have no problem if they could manage to do it right. I know Laidlaw says they've only flirted with romance thus far, but you can tell the interest is there.
 
Demon_Mustang said:
Um, just in case you don't already know this man, but Episode 1, 2, and 3 IS Half-Life 3...
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If they were Half-Life 3, you would have seen "Half-Life 3".

The HL3 comment from Gabe has been so misconstrued. He meant that the episodes amount to what is essentially a third Half-Life game. But they are not Half-Life 3. They are a continuation of HL2 in an episodic format.

They have said that episode 3 will mark the end of the franchise. Which mean we will actually see an actual ending to the complete story. Personally, I wish it would just end, and they can actually live a normal life. Gordon and Alyx will have cute little babies together, lol.
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I'd like to see your source on that. Valve has not said it will end the franchise. It is the end of the HL2 story arc, just like killing Nihilanth marked the end of HL1's. Besides, why would they end it? It's got a lot of gas currently. They just opened up new creative areas in the franchise with Portal and they've expressed an intent to make more HL games.
 
Demon_Mustang said:
They have said that episode 3 will mark the end of the franchise. Which mean we will actually see an actual ending to the complete story. Personally, I wish it would just end, and they can actually live a normal life. Gordon and Alyx will have cute little babies together, lol.
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This is what Laidlaw had to say in a recent interview with him (it's on the main page):

ML: We conceived the Episodes as a complete three-part cycle stemming from HL2, which is why these are the Half-Life 2 Episodes. The idea was to do something self-contained within the larger series, not to use them to wrap up the series. I don't see how the conflict we've been slowly revealing could possibly be resolved any time soon. Humanity is just starting to glimpse the larger context.
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Demon_Mustang said:
Um, just in case you don't already know this man, but Episode 1, 2, and 3 IS Half-Life 3...

They have said that episode 3 will mark the end of the franchise. Which mean we will actually see an actual ending to the complete story. Personally, I wish it would just end, and they can actually live a normal life. Gordon and Alyx will have cute little babies together, lol.
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Lmao! That's all I have to say.

Oh yeah, forgot, go and die. If you think you're stating a fact from someone else, why not post the source? If you wish it would end, why post on a Half-Life forum? If you want them to lead a normal life, why do you even play the game? If you want babies, why don't you go make some?

/stabby stabby
 
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