Am I ***ting myself?

[nurizeko]

I think you'll be in for a nasty shock when you graduate.

Don't get me wrong, I know fine I'll never get a good job by waving a degree (my networking here is going to be more important TBH), I'm not doing it for that, I'm doing it out of morbid curiosity, an innate interest in learning, and as I said, the fact that a degree for many people suddenly makes you worth something, not necessarily in the "wow a degree, here's a job paying disgusting amounts of money!" but in the "Oh so that's what you did at uni!" sorta way instead of "oh, you worked at a Starbucks for 15 years, lovely..."

I dunno how to explain it rather simply and concisely, but I've always perceived it as part of the middle class - working class divide, or rich and poor.

I'm no more intelligent or noticeably wealthier than I was when I worked full time, but suddenly my opinions on things matters. I worked harder as a KP than I have ever done here at uni but guess which gets labelled as being "more motivated"?

So overall uni is going to be better for me in the long run even if I don't see immediate or massive shifts in my socializing and career developments.

That or I magically wake up tomorrow as a 19 year old blonde girl. But that's unlikely.

 

[repiV]

Don't get me wrong, I know fine I'll never get a good job by waving a degree (my networking here is going to be more important TBH), I'm not doing it for that, I'm doing it out of morbid curiosity, an innate interest in learning, and as I said, the fact that a degree for many people suddenly makes you worth something, not necessarily in the "wow a degree, here's a job paying disgusting amounts of money!" but in the "Oh so that's what you did at uni!" sorta way instead of "oh, you worked at a Starbucks for 15 years, lovely..."

I dunno how to explain it rather simply and concisely, but I've always perceived it as part of the middle class - working class divide, or rich and poor.

I'm no more intelligent or noticeably wealthier than I was when I worked full time, but suddenly my opinions on things matters. I worked harder as a KP than I have ever done here at uni but guess which gets labelled as being "more motivated"?

So overall uni is going to be better for me in the long run even if I don't see immediate or massive shifts in my socializing and career developments.

That or I magically wake up tomorrow as a 19 year old blonde girl. But that's unlikely.

Truth is, it really won't make any difference at all to your chances of getting a job, promotion or anything else. Aside, of course, from the networking you mentioned. That's the real benefit you'll get out of uni.

So many people have degrees now that, unless it's something scientific or professional like physics or law, higher education has been devalued to near the point of worthlessness. Especially when you're up against people with relevant experience, especially in the current market.

It might make it a little easier for you to get your first job, but then having good sales skills to be able to present your case in the interview would be far more valuable in that sense. Employers want to see evidence that you can do the work they want you to do. A degree doesn't really demonstrate that in any meaningful way.

I'm not saying there's anything wrong with going to uni, I'm just trying to realign your expectations a bit. If for no other reason than that spreading the myth of uni doing wonders for your career drives so many people into uni who really shouldn't be going there. If I have to pay for people to go to university out of my taxes, I'd rather see the really deserving students get funding to do really demanding courses that will further their development - as opposed to paying for everyone and his dog to go get pissed for three years, and then those really deserving students having to pay top-up fees because there isn't enough money to go round.

Not having a degree has never held me back. I got made redundant a couple of months ago and within three weeks I got a far better job which I love and will make me a small fortune. Take that, recession!

 

[ShadowArmy]

Is informal social networking really that critical?

I don't like making friends (thats why I don't have any). And I never talk to any professors outside of class; I'm breezing through all of my classes so I don't need to. However, the University I'm planning on transferring to has some office/division that helps graduates obtain jobs somehow.

 

[nurizeko]

Truth is, it really won't make any difference at all to your chances of getting a job, promotion or anything else. Aside, of course, from the networking you mentioned. That's the real benefit you'll get out of uni.

So many people have degrees now that, unless it's something scientific or professional like physics or law, higher education has been devalued to near the point of worthlessness. Especially when you're up against people with relevant experience, especially in the current market.

It might make it a little easier for you to get your first job, but then having good sales skills to be able to present your case in the interview would be far more valuable in that sense. Employers want to see evidence that you can do the work they want you to do. A degree doesn't really demonstrate that in any meaningful way.

I'm not saying there's anything wrong with going to uni, I'm just trying to realign your expectations a bit. If for no other reason than that spreading the myth of uni doing wonders for your career drives so many people into uni who really shouldn't be going there. If I have to pay for people to go to university out of my taxes, I'd rather see the really deserving students get funding to do really demanding courses that will further their development - as opposed to paying for everyone and his dog to go get pissed for three years, and then those really deserving students having to pay top-up fees because there isn't enough money to go round.

Not having a degree has never held me back. I got made redundant a couple of months ago and within three weeks I got a far better job which I love and will make me a small fortune. Take that, recession!

Thanks for your thoughts.

Don't worry about expectations, I have none, I'm just "killin' time". :cheers:

Is informal social networking really that critical?

I don't like making friends (thats why I don't have any). And I never talk to any professors outside of class; I'm breezing through all of my classes so I don't need to. However, the University I'm planning on transferring to has some office/division that helps graduates obtain jobs somehow.

Quite important actually. As someone who as jumped jobs quite often, you learn quickly that most people get work through someone they sorta know.

Its also valuable because people can keep you appraised of opportunities before they become available in the job market, and its a handy little mini-reference "hey mike, my friend bob is interested in this sorta work, I was wondering if you could hook him up with an interview, he's a cool guy so I think you'll want to hear from him".

Don't get me wrong, qualifications are important, and basically a necessity for professions, but networking is a very handy tool.

As RepiV has said, a degree isn't what it used to be, especially in places like the UK where nearly 50% of school leavers go onto university, quantity has diluted the quality, and so employers don't see that degree as a convenient sign of best-person-to-employ as they would (they want experienced people mostly), and if they do they have much more people to choose from lowering the chances you'll get hired.

 

[CyberPitz]

wait...I just made the corrilation.

"Am I ***ting myself?"
"Am I Fisting myself?"

Why yes, yes you are!

 

[repiV]

Thanks for your thoughts.

Don't worry about expectations, I have none, I'm just "killin' time". :cheers:

In that case, enjoy it while you still can.

Quite important actually. As someone who as jumped jobs quite often, you learn quickly that most people get work through someone they sorta know.

Its also valuable because people can keep you appraised of opportunities before they become available in the job market, and its a handy little mini-reference "hey mike, my friend bob is interested in this sorta work, I was wondering if you could hook him up with an interview, he's a cool guy so I think you'll want to hear from him".

Yup. Do you use LinkedIn? I've only just started using it but it's amazing, especially in my line of work. A year's worth of targeted effort on that front could have you very well known and in-demand in your particular field of expertise, I would say.

A lot of companies will create positions for good people, or could have it in the back of their mind that they need to get an extra person in but never find the time to actually do anything about it because they're too busy with the day to day stuff. If you just happen to come along...

That's how I got my current job. They looked like a really professional outfit that I could be interested in working for so I called up, spoke to the boss at some length, met up for a coffee and then had a formal interview. They weren't actively looking for anyone. Albeit, this approach perhaps more necessary in somewhere like Devon where there are very few good jobs and also precious few good candidates.

 

[ComradeBadger]

I need to be on LinkedIn tbh.

I've done very very well out of this recession, I've been headhunted twice, and seen my salary go up about 10k (doesn't sound like much, but it is to someone who was until recently a student, living at the limits of an overdraft or two). Fun times, but it looks like I'm heading into management consultancy, or financial services - both careers interest me greatly..

C-C-Comrade's back?!

FO SHO.

Not as active as I'd like to be, but I'm officially still around

 

[sinkoman]

First semester of community college and so far i've failed one class, with two of the others kind of tetering on failing, with one in the A-B range.

I have no idea how that's relevant.

 

[VirusType2]

First semester of community college and so far i've failed one class, with two of the others kind of tetering on failing, with one in the A-B range.

I have no idea how that's relevant.

In community college, you should be getting 100% or close to it. Come on, you're not even trying to win. It's like easier than middle school.

Try to take classes that interest you.

 

[sinkoman]

In community college, you should be getting 100% or close to it. Come on, you're not even trying to win. It's like easier than middle school.

Try to take classes that interest you.

In my defense, i've been in a pretty awkward position this past semester. Moved to another state across an ocean, largely against my will (even though it was my idea, go figure), into a huge city after spending my entire life in the suburbs, largely by myself, with not much more than some clothes a laptop and my bike.

Then I got stuck in a bunch of classes that I did not chose at all. Since i'm not just a freshman, but an out of state freshman, my registration priority sucked so hard that I couldn't even get into the ELECTIVES I wanted. I basically just took whatever was open, on the same campus, and not at an absurd hour of the day.

I'm in a Journalism class that's pretty much 1 hour of listening to the instructor talk about how successful he is, a College Success course thats an AA program for the academically challenged, a shakespear class that's 1 hour of preaching how brilliant shakespear was, and a 3 hour long Choosing a Career class that's an AA program for the unemployed.



Pity party yo

 

[MiccyNarc]

I'm in a Journalism class that's pretty much 1 hour of listening to the instructor talk about how successful he is,

Lol.
Remind him that he's teaching journalism at a community college. Savor his tears.

 

[VirusType2]

Overkill when it comes to studying before a test, so you don't forget. If you are given an opportunity to do extra credit, take advantage of it. Try to correctly answer every question ever asked.

It doesn't hurt to show that you are trying hard and that your grades are important to you, that way you have the teacher on your side; so if an answer you gave could go either way, they will give you the benefit.

Prove yourself.

 

[The Monkey]

Has anyone figured out yet what "***ting" actually is?

 

[Sulkdodds]

Yes. You are snikting yourself. For you are Wolverine.

 

[Eejit]

"snik" is four letters, not three. I though you were meant to be literate.

/illusions destroyed

 

[Farrowlesparrow]

I read it as "cutting".

 

[Sulkdodds]

"kt" is actually its own specialist character and thus only a single letter, but if I tried to type it on hl2.net I'd just get ????

 

[Top Secret]

Lol.
Remind him that he's teaching journalism at a community college. Savor his tears.

I just wanted to point out that many community college teachers are of the same or higher quality than university instructors. The pay is shit, but they are there because they want to be, not because they have to be.

My Psychology teacher is a multi-millionaire that teaches for the **** of it, and my biology teacher retired from NASA. Both teach at a community college.

 

[VirusType2]

It's shiting. He censored it himself. And he 'spelled' it wrong.

Am I shitting myself? As in bullshitting myself. As in fooling myself.

 

[MiccyNarc]

It's shiting. He censored it himself. And he 'spelled' it wrong.

Am I shitting myself? As in bullshitting myself. As in fooling myself.

Sarcasm meter turn on.
Top secret;
Seems to be an exception, definitely not the rule.

 

[VirusType2]

Oh, because I was thinking, you guys are ****ing stupid.

Well I don't read every page of this shit, I couldn't make it through the first 2 sentences of the OP without wanting him to die.

There's almost nothing I hate more than listening to people talk about schoolwork. Though I do browse through most active threads.

 

[Raziaar]

Oh, because I was thinking, you guys are ****ing stupid.

Well I don't read every page of this shit, I couldn't make it through the first 2 sentences of the OP without wanting him to die.

There's almost nothing I hate more than listening to people talk about schoolwork. Though I do browse through most active threads.

God, with that avatar I keep thinking you're Zombieturtle for some ****ing reason.

 

[VirusType2]

This is artwork from Bally's Centaur.

Zombie's avatar is cool, I wonder what it's from.

 

[Rizzo]

I asked the meaning of the title on the first page.

Willie informs:

C*nting, bro.

*u

 

[Top Secret]

Sarcasm meter turn on.
Top secret;
Seems to be an exception, definitely not the rule.

Exact opposite for me. How about we put anecdotal experiences aside, hmm?