American beheaded in Iraq

[ailevation]

Time to pull out Mr.Bush. Matter of fact it was time to pull back when the thought to go over there was made.

I think religion is part of this problem, empires have fought over differences of beliefs for centuries. Christians and Muslims have been fighting over some "God" they can't even prove exists, sounds logical? They say gang wars on streets is pointless, war of different beliefs isn't? Knowing the middle easts status, they have very little, so they depend on faith and some of the Muslim faith(different form/parts)probably influence them to do these violent acts. The Iraqi army can probably use the Muslim faith to "brainwash" the soldiers they recruit, I dunno the age group they bring in, 15 and ^? To me that's a pretty good tactic, espescially to younger people. It's like Dragon Ball Z effects on little 9 year-olds, something to look up to.

Bush wanting to go to Iraq to "restore" it, yeah mhmm :frog: . Either he wants part of the oil or make Iraq have a better economy, so he can enable the U.S. to profit off of it.

Now, the disgusting acts performed by both sides, I dunno what's up. Personally, I dunno if I can torture a person- behead him/her with all this blood nasty shit spurtin' out and live on wigth it;( . I can probably shoot someone for my own security but not some sadistic shit.

 

[mortiz]

Arguing about Religeon is probably even more retarded that arguing about graphics cards, not by much though

 

[Death.Trap]

Actually from what I understand, Jackal, the Islamic faith teaches that all infadels, IE non muslims, should be A) converted or B) killed. I'm pretty sure thats true but if an islamic expert wants to correct me, please do.

 

[Moto]

To vent my anger, I'm going to go start a Desert Combat bot match on easy settings and kill as many Iraqi soldiers as possible...brutally. Very, Very brutally.

That's just sick these days, we don't behead people anymore, that's a middle ages thing.

 

[Jackal hit]

Actually from what I understand, Jackal, the Islamic faith teaches that all infadels, IE non muslims, should be A) converted or B) killed. I'm pretty sure thats true but if an islamic expert wants to correct me, please do.

well i'm not muslim but all my strongly muslim arabic friends told me that all religions are to be respected, and it is heresy to say bad things about any of them... for example, saying bad things about jesus is supposed to be a sin.
that's what all my arabic friends said and so, meh ...something something..

 

[ailevation]

;( And it is pretty retarded to have embarrassing misconceptions. No one is arguing about religion, no one is saying one religion is better than another or if one religion is more accurate than another. I am saying PROBABLY the Iraqi's is influenced by the MUSLIM FAITH to do VIOLENT ACTS.

Yes, there is proof some events that has happened have ties with war/terrorism that have had religious faith involved.

 

[Jackal hit]

That's just sick these days, we don't behead people anymore, that's a middle ages thing.

exactly. 10charlimit

... so, developmentally, islam is now the same age as christianity, about the years 1400/1500 or so

 

[not28]

It's just a matter of time before this shows up on thenausea.com

 

[Xtasy0]

FFS .

 

[Jackal hit]

here is the video,


http://www.******.net/****/i*****om.**** were warned.

oh man please remove that. i'm not curious enough to watch it, but this sort of thing should be removed. ;(

i have been sickened and mildly traumatized from this sort of thing, and someone that is very dear to me had to grow up seeing things like this. not a day goes by that she doesn't have memories of seeing stuff like this. please remove it dude

 

[Epyon]

i think everyone should see this video, to see how disgusting these iraqis are to do this.

Edit:: 100 posts

 

[not28]

Oh my god. I just watched it without sound... I'm afraid to watch it with sound. How did you find it?

 

[Xtasy0]

oh man please remove that. i'm not curious enough to watch it, but this sort of thing should be removed. ;(

i have been sickened and mildly traumatized from this sort of thing, and someone that is very dear to me had to grow up seeing things like this. not a day goes by that she doesn't have memories of seeing stuff like this. please remove it dude

i put a warning, and people have to highlight it to get it, if they dont want to see it they wont see it, people who do, well thats completely upto them.

 

[Xtasy0]

Oh my f*cking god. I just watched it without sound... I'm afraid to watch it with sound. How did you find it?

did you miss the huge red warning?

 

[Jackal hit]

i put a warning, and people have to highlight it to get it, if they dont want to see it they wont see it, people who do, well thats completely upto them.

still, people are curious by nature. and the saying "curiousity killed the cat" didn't come about for no reason. even people who really don't wanna see something horrible like that will still get curious about it eventually. besides, isn't it against forum policy?

i mean, yeah, i know what you mean with the spoiler tags and big red warning and all that... but still, some people will not want to see it, and will have a morbid fascination with it, and then regret seeing it.

 

[not28]

did you miss the huge red warning?

The point of my post was "how did you find the video?" Did you conveniently ignore that part?

 

[Xtasy0]

still, people are curious by nature. and the saying "curiousity killed the cat" didn't come about for no reason. even people who really don't wanna see something horrible like that will still get curious about it eventually. besides, isn't it against forum policy?

i mean, yeah, i know what you mean with the spoiler tags and big red warning and all that... but still, some people will not want to see it, and will have a morbid fascination with it, and then regret seeing it.

forum policy is for moderators to enforce.

 

[Xtasy0]

The point of my post was "how did you find the video?" Did you conveniently ignore that part?

linked to from another forum.

 

[Jackal hit]

forum policy is for moderators to enforce.

btw, you should probably say you have the video, and who ever wants it should contact you outside the forums. ...or something heh.

...i'm not trying to start shit btw... sorry if i'm coming on too strongly.

 

[Lucifer Crass]

The video doesnt work, wtf
O well at least i have the link b4 its removed

 

[ailevation]

:hmph: Sickening, I was about to barf. I shouldn't have watched it, probably my first time watching something sooooooo graphic.

 

[Chris D]

forum policy is for moderators to enforce.

And for you to follow.

I've removed it now but am I right in saying that the red text stated "DO NOT OPEN THIS LINK" - Here's an idea - Don't post shit like that Xtasy0. Use your brain.

 

[Jackal hit]

this is why that kind of link is not to be given under any circumstance on the forums.

:hmph: Sickening, I was about to barf. I shouldn't have watched it, probably my first time watching something sooooooo graphic.

this is why that kind of link is not to be given under any circumstance on the forums. probably the last time you'll wanna see something like that eh?

 

[Lucifer Crass]

http://english.pravda***/main/2002/09/02/35725.html

Fact about getting beheaded.

 

[Xtasy0]

this is why that kind of link is not to be given under any circumstance on the forums.

this is why that kind of link is not to be given under any circumstance on the forums. probably the last time you'll wanna see something like that eh?

not my fault people can't control their primal urges, i didn't watch the video, if it makes you feel better.

 

[Jackal hit]

http://english.pravda***/main/2002/09/02/35725.html

Fact about getting beheaded.

THAT is an interesting read.

xtasy0, whether or not you watched it has nothing to do with the price of tea in china. the problem is that when something like that is that easily accessible(aka on a forum), spoilers or not... people will still be compelled to see it. ah well, i'm done with that discussion now.

 

[Zerimski]

not my fault people can't control their primal urges, i didn't watch the video, if it makes you feel better.

It doesn't. Now go sit in the corner and think about what you've done.

 

[seinfeldrules]

Hey these Iraqis/Arabs were doing this treatment to our soldiers/citizens long before we were doing it to their prisoners. My feelings of hatred toward the Arab community has been restored. Not because I hate all Arabs, but because of their blind hatred towards democracy. Anyone who believes a word of Al Jazeera just makes me more angry. I am glad the Iraqi prisoners were humiliated. If the postitions in that prison had been reversed, I can guarantee you that many more horrifying things would of been done to Americans than what we did to the Iraqis.

 

[Apos]

Don't anyone buy the nonsense about this being because of, or having anything to do with, our recent torture scandal. This is Al Qaeda: they have been decapitating and murdering people since before the war even began. They didn't need an excuse for it.

Let's hope the Iraqis, even if they hate us, learn to see through AQ's attempt to exploit their anger at us to acheive its ends.

And I have nothing but contempt for people who think this has anything to do with the prison scandal. What we did there was sick and evil, and nothing can justify it. That Al Qaeda will brutally murder people is not news. That our war effort has become so disorganized, poorly supervised, and thoughtlessly run enough to let torture become a widespread interrogation policy, IS news. And it just goes to show why a) following the law benefits not just detainees but ourselves and b) we should have been going after Al Qaeda instead of mucking around in Iraq.

Let me put this clearly. We had THREE chances, before the Iraq war, to kill Al-Zarqawi: the man who organized and executed this horrible act. Three plans on the table: he was in northern Iraq, out of the areas controlled by Saddam. There was no controlling legal authority: we could have gotten him.

Know why we didn't? Because if we had killed him, it would have made the deceptive case for War in Iraq a little harder, because Bush wouldn't be able to lyingly imply that major Al Qaeda figures were "in Iraq" (even though he was in a part that basically wasn't part of Iraq and didn't require an invasion to get into). We waited for political reasons, and the chance passed.

We pulled all our resources off the War on Terror to invade Iraq urgently: when no urgency was required. The Iraq war was being planned before 9/11, and only FIVE MONTHS after 9/11 we turned our resources away from the War on Terror and towards planning and building up for the war on Iraq. We took the pressure off Osama Bin Laden. We gave him two years in which to regroup and spread his message while we diddled around with random mullahs in Iraq who had been no threat to us before.

Instead of focusing all our efforts on the real terrorists, we streched ourselves to the breaking point in one of the most poorly thought out occupations in history for no discernable reason other than it made the Republicans look good. And now we've created more terrorist propaganda than Al Qaeda could have ever dreamed. We've turned a basically contained and crippled nation (Iraq) that mostly hated and fought the Islamic sects that Al Qaeda was a part of into a cesspool of chaos and terrorist recruitment where this sect now has great sway.

This man's death is but one aspect of that idiocy. He never should have died. He never should have been illegally detained in Iraq by the U.S. military when he wanted to go home, and then released into a warzone where he vanished before he could leave the country. He was, by all respects, a fantastic guy, there to help build Iraq. And if we had done Iraq correctly: at the right time, in the right way, with the right allies and leaders, he could have done his work and been a true humanitarian. Instead, he believed all the rosy lies by our leaders and walked into a warzone that tore his life away from him. It could have been different. And maybe it still can be different for other people if we can get a leader who can actually try to fix things instead of pretending that staying the course, with our troops still untrained, underequiped, and low morale, will solve all our problems.

 

[seinfeldrules]

Clinton had a chance to nab Bin Laden FOUR times during his tenure in office, so dont blame this all on Bush.

 

[Lucifer Crass]

Those of you that didnt watch the video, even tho they did cut the guys head off, it was really fast and they guy couldn't suffer for more than 2 seconds. It probably hurt really bad then felt weird. They are a sick bunch. Its offical, this war is a waste of human life just like Vietnam.

Bush is moron and everone knows it. Hes no better than those that suicide bomb things or cut off heads. Damn rednecks need to die off faster.

 

[Farrowlesparrow]

Actually from what I understand, Jackal, the Islamic faith teaches that all infadels, IE non muslims, should be A) converted or B) killed. I'm pretty sure thats true but if an islamic expert wants to correct me, please do.

I used to think that....In fact, it is very true. However it did not apear in the original Koran, it was added later on by some of the more fanatical muslims who were seeking not to find God but to wage war. They simply turned a peoples faith into a way of controling them...Religion once again became an excuse for war. Not a reason though...The reasons for the wars were what they percieved as power. However, the excuse to get everyone willing to fight was their belief in an all powerful being.

Jackal its interesting the point about people thinking Turkey is in the middle east....You come from Denver i notice I've been there, its a nice place. We did actually visit a couple of the churches, and although they were good people i could see there was some ignorance...I.E they weren't too clued up about the rest of the world. Its sad that a little thing such as lack of geographical knowladge can lead to hate between people.


World war three eh...There will be no world war three as we know conventional war. At least, not as far as i can guess. However i can see very easily terrorists getting hold of nuclear weaponry. When they do, it will be a terrible day indeed. I would hate to thinkw hat would happen if a nuclear bomb were to go off in Manchester. Although i would have to opportunity to escape with ease, being far enough from the blast to not be vapoursised and near to hills to escape radiation i do not know what would become of my "normal" life and the people that includes.

 

[qckbeam]

Clinton had a chance to nab Bin Laden FOUR times during his tenure in office, so dont blame this all on Bush.

You know why he stopped? Republicans made a stink about it and said he was trying to divert attention away from himself and his affair with Monica. Do not try to take heat off of Bush by dragging in Clinton. Bush is the one that put us in this goddamn mess with Iraq.

 

[Apos]

No, he suffered for more than two seconds. He most likely died of lack oxygen to his brain, but that can take as many as ten or twenty seconds, depending: and they made no attempt to make it a clean or quick death. And even the expectation of what they were going to do to him must have been atrocious. It was a horrible, horrible thing to do to someone.

 

[BabyHeadCrab]

A scream sounded as the men cut his head off, shouting ``Allahu akbar!'' - ``God is great!'' They then held the head up to the camera.

"So we tell you that the dignity of the Muslim men and women in Abu Ghraib and others is not redeemed except by blood and souls. You will not receive anything from us but coffins after coffins ... slaughtered in this way.''

I'm sickened by them, but I'm even more sickened by the way they committed it in the name of god.
Religion...giving people reasons to kill each other since the beginning of time...****ing ridiculous.

why do people say them? just from certain awful events commited by certain awful people dosnt mean that all iraqi's are the same... neither harassing iraqi prisoners or beheading americans is ok... both sick

 

[BabyHeadCrab]

You know why he stopped? Republicans made a stink about it and said he was trying to divert attention away from himself and his affair with Monica. Do not try to take heat off of Bush by dragging in Clinton. Bush is the one that put us in this goddamn mess with Iraq.

amen
(10 fucn char limit)

 

[Jackal hit]

Those of you that didnt watch the video, even tho they did cut the guys head off, it was really fast and they guy couldn't suffer for more than 2 seconds. It probably hurt really bad then felt weird. They are a sick bunch. Its offical, this war is a waste of human life just like Vietnam.

Bush is moron and everone knows it. Hes no better than those that suicide bomb things or cut off heads. Damn rednecks need to die off faster.

actually, he didn't feel a thing from it. the autonomic(is this it or was it a different term?) system in the body prevents you from feeling pain in times of trauma. your body goes into shock, where you don't feel what's happened. the pain sensations never even make it to the spinal cord in this level of trauma. (adrenaline has the same effect, soldiers are often shot without knowing it)... but i agree with... whoever said it... the suffocation sensation would have been horrible.

 

[Hot Soup]

If anyone else posts vid's or pictures of that nature you will find yourself taking an enforced break from these forums.

This was a terrible act and horrifically barbaric. Much like Daniel Pearl and the Italian hostage it is made much worse by it being made public. There is simply no excuse for a human being to act this way. If you do it makes you in my opinion less than human.

I am glad the Iraqi prisoners were humiliated. If the postitions in that prison had been reversed, I can guarantee you that many more horrifying things would of been done to Americans than what we did to the Iraqis.

That kind of attitude and sentiment is just as bad as the people who extol 10 year old kids to become suicide bombers. There is simply no justification for treating prisoners in the manner in which they have been. Simply because they are Iraqi or Arabic is not an excuse to treat them in a way which you wouldnt dare do to an American or Westerner. That the Saddam regime or Al Queda did or do worse is irrelevant. If we end up treating people in that manner our principles and stance go right out the window. If we end up acting like the very enemy we were supposed to be in Iraq fighting there is absolutely no point.

 

[Lucifer Crass]

LOL HEY LOOK EVERYONE THIS IS MY leet POST! WOOT!

I would like to announce that Bush is a killer. Those that live in the middle east do not know better because death is rampant, like a pimple on the earth, but instead of putting on Stridex to get rid of the problem we poke it and poke it until it finnaly pops and leaves a disgusting mess.
Did I mention rednecks are stupid and need to die off?

 

[qckbeam]

why do people say them? just from certain awful events commited by certain awful people dosnt mean that all iraqi's are the same... neither harassing iraqi prisoners or beheading americans is ok... both sick

I meant 'them' as in 'the people in the videos', certainly not all Iraqis.