Americans eat Cheese too

[KidRock]

not like "burn the jews"

its not telling anyone to kill or attack

then just saying jews are bad ect. anything of that sort.. its just disrespectful and its called abusing your rights.

 

[Neutrino]

then just saying jews are bad ect. anything of that sort.. its just disrespectful and its called abusing your rights.

In one case you are attacking a specific group of people. In the other case you are attacking a country and it's policies.

 

[Sprafa]

New avatar

thanks bpetway23

 

[Sprafa]

Besides, you people are too touchy. I'm changing from this god awful avatar simply because it looks bad.

Your country is a nuclear power, there are several interpretations about this avatar but I love it because it looks good. If someone with l33t photoshop skills actually put Russian and American flag behind that nuke, I'd thank. But I don't think anyone is willing.

 

[Lil' Timmy]

it looks like someone spooged on old glory!!!!!

 

[Sprafa]

it looks like someone spooged on old glory!!!!!

Lil'Timmy, I thought you were dead :O

Damn the stupid rumors that run around.

 

[Gunner]

Fareed Zakaria, I read his column every week in Newsweek. Sometimes I want to spam his inbox with hate-mail and sometimes I just agree with him.

Now he's a flip-flopper!

 

[Sprafa]

Fareed Zakaria, I read his column every week in Newsweek. Sometimes I want to spam his inbox with hate-mail and sometimes I just agree with him.

Now he's a flip-flopper!

:|

hate-mail is dumb. Disagreeing with a person is one thing, hating a person because of his opinions is just....

 

[Lil' Timmy]

oh man, why don't you guys just have sex already!

 

[Sprafa]

oh man, why don't you guys just have sex already!

/me has sex with Lil'Timmy :naughty:

 

[Gunner]

:|

hate-mail is dumb. Disagreeing with a person is one thing, hating a person because of his opinions is just....

But you have to read some of the things he's wrote in the past few years, he makes stuff up as he goes sometimes. Especially on the subject of Iraq.

 

[Sprafa]

But you have to read some of the things he's wrote in the past few years, he makes stuff up as he goes sometimes. Especially on the subject of Iraq.

exemplify

 

[Gunner]

Are you serious? I have about five-hundred back issues of newsweek I'm not gonna go through all of them just to prove a point to you.

 

[Sprafa]

Are you serious? I have about five-hundred back issues of newsweek I'm not gonna go through all of them just to prove a point to you.

http://www.fareedzakaria.com/articles/archive.html

 

[Gunner]

Oh wow that makes it so much easier

 

[Sprafa]

This guy was named one of the 21 most important people for the 21st century. If he changes opinions or not, people listen.

 

[Ecthe|ioN]

Let's just eat cheese now, okay ?

 

[Gunner]

This guy was named one of the 21 most important people for the 21st century. If he changes opinions or not, people listen.

Yeah... by Esquire and in 1999 :O

 

[NeLi]

I say, burry the mother****er.

Burry him in a grave filled with cheese and freedom fries.

 

[Sprafa]

Yeah... by Esquire and in 1999 :O

and your point is ?

 

[K e r b e r o s]

The supreme court of this country has twice upheld someone's right to burn the American flag as a right under the first amendment.

Yea, but those people were racists who wanted to kill Russians, Slavs, Jews, and Blacks.

 

[Pogrom]

Yea, but those people were racists who wanted to kill Russians, Slavs, Jews, and Blacks.

Or bring people home from vietnam.

 

[Gunner]

and your point is ?

It's like getting the vote for most important man of the universe from The Sun

 

[K e r b e r o s]

Or bring people home from vietnam.

Different point. That was a case during the 1970's.

Im talking about two of the most recent:

Bary vs. Dallas (1993)

Bary was accused of burning an American Flag on video and in public. This accusation came from a Black Women, who said she was also threatened to be killed by him.

The cases threat was disclosed, but the state went on to accuse Bary of a Public Disturbance. It was later found that Bary, happened to be apart of the "Aryan Nation", a Terrorist group founded in Tennessee during the 1980s. One of their big requirements was the public display of an American Flag burning every two years.

His membership began during August of 1991.

The case was disclosed, as it was argued he could have his right of opinion and ideal.

Stanley vs. Alabama (1999)

Same issue, a racist burning an American Flag, but only this time at a Church event. He wore his full-fledged White Knight gear and everything.

He was arrested, and the charge was wavered, disclosing the same thoughts on the Bary vs Dallas.

 

[Pogrom]

Different point. That was a case during the 1970's.

Different, but no less relevant.

In fact, I think in this case it is more relevant, since Sprafa was not inciting hatred; he was making a political protest.

And that's just common sense that made that leap of logic.

 

[K e r b e r o s]

In fact, I think in this case it is more relevant, since Sprafa was not inciting hatred; he was making a political protest.

I've asked Sprafa twice why he had the flag burning in his Avatar. To this end, I got no answer.

So, Sprafa, again, care to answer my question on why you had our flag burning?

 

[K e r b e r o s]

Different, but no less relevant.

So its the right of the world to protest America, but when America protests the protestors, it becomes...wrong?

I have a right to my opinion, and my relation was not at all to Vietnam. I'd appreciate it you'd recognize where I get the feeling burning anyone's flag, is out of disrespect to its people and government.

I'll remember what you said, but I'd really like it if you remember what I've said.

 

[Pogrom]

So its the right of the world to protest America, but when America protests the protestors, it becomes...wrong?

I have a right to my opinion, and my relation was not at all to Vietnam. I'd appreciate it you'd recognize where I get the feeling burning anyone's flag, is out of disrespect to its people and government.

I'll remember what you said, but I'd really like it if you remember what I've said.

I understand that it can be distasteful to see your flag burning.

But you are effectively talking about protesting his right to free speech. He never answered because he probably felt (as I do) that it was self-evident.

He was never saying OMG Americans SUX! I HATE THEM ALL!.
He was just saying I disagree with the government of the USA. I wish to show my strong feelings of discontent towards the government of the USA.

Are you just upset that it only became a big issue when some people started comparing a whole country to Nazis, instead of the overtly political burning of a flag?

P.S. Please understand I'm not trying to insult you or belittle your earlier indignation.

 

[Fat Tony!]

poor ms paint attempt of another flag arson attack :O ^

 

[Sprafa]

Someone finnaly got to the point of it

(...) burning anyone's flag, is out of disrespect to its people and government (..)

I'm sorry if I didn't answer your questions, but I simply wanted someone to figure out the asnwer. You didn't at least not properly, but it's ok.

I do not hate the people of the United States of America. I do not hate the nation of the United States of America in itself.

 

[KidRock]

Someone finnaly got to the point of it




I'm sorry if I didn't answer your questions, but I simply wanted someone to figure out the asnwer. You didn't at least not properly, but it's ok.

I do not hate the people of the United States of America. I do not hate the nation of the United States of America in itself.

Then what was the point of the burning flag...?

 

[Neutrino]

Then what was the point of the burning flag...?

He just explained it is not about the country or the people, it is about the government and it's policies.

 

[Lil' Timmy]

He just explained it is not about the country or the people, it is about the government and it's policies.

it's nice those things are so easily separated from one another..

edit: we are neck-and-neck in the post-wars!!

 

[Sprafa]

it's nice those things are so easily separated from one another..

edit: we are neck-and-neck in the post-wars!!

The majority of the people did not vote for George W. Bush in 2000.
I cannot blame the people of America if the majority voted agaisnt him.

 

[Neutrino]

it's nice those things are so easily separated from one another..

edit: we are neck-and-neck in the post-wars!!

Well, yes that is true. The government is in many ways just part of the people. Perhaps I should have said "current administration" rather than government. I just mean that he was saying he was not protesting the American public.

And with this post I pull ahead. Victory is mine!

Edit: Foiled!

 

[Lil' Timmy]

the problem is that thinking that the government is entirely separate from "the people" leads to political apathy, and is, in the case of americans at least, just another symptom of entitlement, "i didn't vote for them, so don't blame me". it's a position fraught with ominous portent.

i declare the post-war between neutrino and myself over, i win!! praise be unto me!

 

[Sprafa]

the problem is that thinking that the government is entirely separate from "the people" leads to political apathy, and is, in the case of americans at least, just another symptom of entitlement, "i didn't vote for them, so don't blame me". it's a position fraught with ominous portent.

i declare the post-war between neutrino and myself over, i win!! praise be unto me!

That's the reason why we should return to a direct, populist democracy.

muhahaha, I win!

 

[Lil' Timmy]

direct elections would be nice..

 

[ShadowFox]

Direct elections would solve some problems.. but they would also exclude small states (in population) from the process.

 

[Sprafa]

Direct elections would solve some problems.. but they would also exclude small states (in population) from the process.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direct_democracy