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2 days ago, our social studies teacher recited a speech about our forefathers.

He went:

"After the 5.16 Military Revolution, the to-be President-for-Life Park Chung Hee went to the united states to meet the then president, JFK. JFK had stopped the economic and food aid citing the inefficiency of the previous goverment, although the people were starving. Park Chung Hee tried for 2 weeks to meet the US president, but could not, for nobody, and especially the leader of the world superpower, wanted to meet the leader of a country that was poorer than Ethiopia, and ranked 169th in the world."

"What could General Park Chung Hee do? He, as a last resort, turned to West Germany, which like our country had been divided by communism. Despite the interference of the US, he succeeded in making a deal with the West German goverment. The deal was in human resources."

"Our country sent hundreds, perhaps thousands of miners and nurses to West Germany where they were desperately needed. They worked 14 hours a day, thousands of kilometers away from there homeland in conditions that were inhuman. The miners worked kilometers below ground in temperatures of more than 40 degrees celsius. The nurses could not even take breaks during their jobs of corpse-cleaning."

"But they worked. They did not give up."

"When Park Chung Hee visited Germany, the miners and nurses wept and cried. And he cried with them after hearing the stories. He met the Prime minister of west Germany, who thanked him for the workers that they sent. And the money he recieved went directly to building Korean factories."

"Look at your grandparents. And your parents. They are the ones that you disregard, that you disrespect because they are "uncool" and "old". But they are the ones that through blood and sweat acheived miracles. Miracles that enable you to live in peace and prosperity. By they're sacrifice, you are able to eat 3 meals a day. To go to school instead of working in coal mines. To play Starcraft. You should be thankful, and ashamed of yourselves."

"In the 70s, the President-for-Life Park Chung Hee sent thousands of troops to Vietnam to help the US. The US gave money in return. For the blood they spilled, for every man dead and maimed in that hostile foreign fields so far away from home, we made highways. We made ships. We made airports. And thanks to them, we now have the best shipyards in the world."

"Your parents, and their parents, were miracle workers. Respect them."


Then he added: "Oh, and you know, it wasn't Oswald that shot JFK. It was one of Park Chung Hee's aides that went along with him for his first visit in the US."

At this point, people were crying, including the teacher himself. And tears flowed from my eyes as well, for the first time in many, many years. Feelings of sadness, respect, and just hot patriotism filled up my insides. Then there was anger at those who did not cry, those who lacked patriotism, whose loyalties that I now began to doubt.

Then I thought that JFK deserved to be shot.

It was an horrible thought and I realized that after several seconds. The guy had died right next to his wife who watched his head get blown up. He had children, and most likely he was loved by many people. Most likely many had mourned his passing.

And I realized my sudden hatred toward some of my classmates that were talking amongst themselves happily during the speech was unrational. They were my friends. I liked them, and they liked me.

I remembered Orwell's 1984, and the Two Minutes Hate. I thought then, maybe, yes, this is indoctrination, and I have had been subject to it. Maybe for years and years. Feelings that I was not able to control without thinking it out. Feelings of hatred against JFK, the unpatriotic, and the communists. Maybe, yes. Just maybe.

However, my feelings of love for my country and uttermost respect for those who gave there lives so that we could live better, so that our country could be forever prosperous and peaceful and mighty, it did not die. 'The fatherland is great. It is greater than Death.' cried my mind again and again.


But the doubt lingered.
 
2 days ago, our social studies teacher recited a speech about our forefathers.

He went:

"After the 5.16 Military Revolution, the to-be President-for-Life Park Chung Hee went to the united states to meet the then president, JFK. JFK had stopped the economic and food aid citing the inefficiency of the previous goverment, although the people were starving. Park Chung Hee tried for 2 weeks to meet the US president, but could not, for nobody, and especially the leader of the world superpower, wanted to meet the leader of a country that was poorer than Ethiopia, and ranked 169th in the world."

"What could General Park Chung Hee do? He, as a last resort, turned to West Germany, which like our country had been divided by communism. Despite the interference of the US, he succeeded in making a deal with the West German goverment. The deal was in human resources."

"Our country sent hundreds, perhaps thousands of miners and nurses to West Germany where they were desperately needed. They worked 14 hours a day, thousands of kilometers away from there homeland in conditions that were inhuman. The miners worked kilometers below ground in temperatures of more than 40 degrees celsius. The nurses could not even take breaks during their jobs of corpse-cleaning."

"But they worked. They did not give up."

"When Park Chung Hee visited Germany, the miners and nurses wept and cried. And he cried with them after hearing the stories. He met the Prime minister of west Germany, who thanked him for the workers that they sent. And the money he recieved went directly to building Korean factories."

"Look at your grandparents. And your parents. They are the ones that you disregard, that you disrespect because they are "uncool" and "old". But they are the ones that through blood and sweat acheived miracles. Miracles that enable you to live in peace and prosperity. By they're sacrifice, you are able to eat 3 meals a day. To go to school instead of working in coal mines. To play Starcraft. You should be thankful, and ashamed of yourselves."

"In the 70s, the President-for-Life Park Chung Hee sent thousands of troops to Vietnam to help the US. The US gave money in return. For the blood they spilled, for every man dead and maimed in that hostile foreign fields so far away from home, we made highways. We made ships. We made airports. And thanks to them, we now have the best shipyards in the world."

"Your parents, and their parents, were miracle workers. Respect them."


Then he added: "Oh, and you know, it wasn't Oswald that shot JFK. It was one of Park Chung Hee's aides that went along with him for his first visit in the US."

At this point, people were crying, including the teacher himself. And tears flowed from my eyes as well, for the first time in many, many years. Feelings of sadness, respect, and just hot patriotism filled up my insides. Then there was anger at those who did not cry, those who lacked patriotism, whose loyalties that I now began to doubt.

Then I thought that JFK deserved to be shot.

It was an horrible thought and I realized that after several seconds. The guy had died right next to his wife who watched his head get blown up. He had children, and most likely he was loved by many people. Most likely many had mourned his passing.

And I realized my sudden hatred toward some of my classmates that were talking amongst themselves happily during the speech was unrational. They were my friends. I liked them, and they liked me.

I remembered Orwell's 1984, and the Two Minutes Hate. I thought then, maybe, yes, this is indoctrination, and I have had been subject to it. Maybe for years and years. Feelings that I was not able to control without thinking it out. Feelings of hatred against JFK, the unpatriotic, and the communists. Maybe, yes. Just maybe.

However, my feelings of love for my country and uttermost respect for those who gave there lives so that we could live better, so that our country could be forever prosperous and peaceful and mighty, it did not die. 'The fatherland is great. It is greater than Death.' cried my mind again and again.


But the doubt lingered.


come on numbers...quit politics, it's bad for your health.
 
What a brilliant piece of writing. And an intriguing insight into numbers psyche.

I predict you're on a slippery slope that will lead you to abandon your beliefs.

"The voice of reason is quiet, but it is very persistent."
 
So... wait. Your country basically sold your parents and ancestors as slaves to Germany and America? Why is that something to be proud of?


And also, holy shit at the force fed propaganda. Thats nuts numbers.
 
tldr anyone?

From the overview, i'd say getting so worked up over speculation is bad for education.
 
You should read, it's not that bad...I'm not quite sure what to say though. Koreans are super patriotic O.o
 
Numbers, don't let the government find out you wrote that. You could get into some serious trouble I think.
 
Kim Jong Ils mind control device is working.

Seriously though, it's good to see you thinking critically and not conforming to doublethink.

Some of the educational practices(indoctrination?) in South Korea do ring alarm bells in my 1984 detector.

No one's expecting you to like communists or North Korea's regime, but it's interesting to play Devil's Advocate and try to see from their point of view and understand their argument.
 
It's good to see you thinking, Numbers. We're here for you buddy.
 
Hide from your TV...
KIM JONG IL IS WATCHING YOU!
 
To go to school instead of working in coal mines. To play Starcraft. You should be thankful, and ashamed of yourselves.
I laughed really hard.
Great speech your teacher dealt out though.
 
lol i am rom the internetz ad i say i am dru abd i say hello t ypou mnnbumer
 
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He says he's from teh internetz, and he's drunk and he says hello to you, Numbers.

ROFL at talking with Solaris while he intoxicated ON THE INTERNETZ!!!!
 
I don't understand this thread. I know it's your teachers speech but are you trying to make us hate JFK or something?
 
Read his whole post, and then you will understand.
 
I did read the whole thing and I know what the speach says, but what is the OP trying to say?
 
come on numbers...quit politics, it's bad for your health.

What a brilliant piece of writing. And an intriguing insight into numbers psyche.

I predict you're on a slippery slope that will lead you to abandon your beliefs.

"The voice of reason is quiet, but it is very persistent."

Numbers, don't let the government find out you wrote that. You could get into some serious trouble I think.

It's good to see you thinking, Numbers. We're here for you buddy.


Kim Jong Ils mind control device is working.

Seriously though, it's good to see you thinking critically and not conforming to doublethink.

Some of the educational practices(indoctrination?) in South Korea do ring alarm bells in my 1984 detector.

No one's expecting you to like communists or North Korea's regime, but it's interesting to play Devil's Advocate and try to see from their point of view and understand their argument.

Uh wow. Thanks guys. Those responses wern't quite what I'd expected. Huh, I dunno what poured out of me. Maybe I should write a book.

btw, I'm not sure if that was his speech though. He might have been copying.


Anyway, I don't know what to think. Maybe I should really just lay off politics like jverne suggested. I can't understand, while I still do respect the people who sacrificed themselves, why do I feel this extreme sense of sadness/something hot welling in my chest? I don't even know them! Bleargh.

So... wait. Your country basically sold your parents and ancestors as slaves to Germany and America? Why is that something to be proud of?


And also, holy shit at the force fed propaganda. Thats nuts numbers.

Actually, they were all volunteers. They live in mansions now, and are rich.

I did read the whole thing and I know what the speach says, but what is the OP trying to say?

It's just a rant.
 
It's just a rant.

Ah. About what? I inferred a few things, the most likely (and saddening) being that American needs to give away it's stuff to everyone.

But it's late and I could be wrong.
 
Ah. About what? I inferred a few things, the most likely (and saddening) being that American needs to give away it's stuff to everyone.

But it's late and I could be wrong.

Number's realisation that maybe, just maybe, he is the victim of indoctrination in his homeland and education system of South Korea.
 
I can't understand, while I still do respect the people who sacrificed themselves, why do I feel this extreme sense of sadness/something hot welling in my chest? I don't even know them! Bleargh.

People have died for just about every belief under the sun. Well, except the ones that believe that "He who lives and runs away, lives to fight another day", of course.
The September 11th attackers died for their beliefs too.

It doesn't necessarily mean that they died righteously. Indeed, many may have died nobly, defending innocents and civilians from the alleged cruel invaders.
However nobly someone died for their beliefs does not in itself give credence to the belief.

I have heard Christian saying that they are Christian because the people who have died by peaceful means to defend their faith inspire them.
In that case, noble, but misguided, I fear.
 
Kirovman, you've started another anti-religion thing :|
 
Who else but kirovman?
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