Anon Protests Worldwide

Glirk Dient said:
OK then, please list another worldwide cult that has killed many people and harasses people who speak against it to the point of ruining their lives and possibly committing suicide.
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http://www.religioustolerance.org/destruct.htm

Scientology has not directly killed anyone, they have caused death through negligence.

That's the worst argument ever. Your saying that there is no point in doing this because the problem will be back some day. Then why do we bother trying to stop people from killing? People are always killing people so I guess we are wasting our time. Just because you don't seem to care doesn't mean everyone else shouldn't care that people are suffering and being taken advantage of or outright killed. Besides, you have no information to support your claim that stupid people will always find ways for a cult to take advantage of them and kill them. Even if we go after cults and end them somehow these people will still be taken advantage of. Its a ridiculous claim. If you remove the cult, then there is no cult to join. Your assuming that theres thousands of worldwide cults killing people when in reality I don't think there is anything else like scientology. However, you seem sure theres cults bigger and worse than scientology, so mind educating us?
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You've over simplified this. Firstly you can't compare it to murder, this is an organization not a criminal action. You're severely over estimating what anon is doing, these protests will not stop Scientology.

Scientology has been around for a long time and has always had celebrity connections. It isn't until they brought their censorship to the internet that anon got angry. It was always a worthy cause, it just didn't have a fire to carry the torch until Scientology lit that fire for anon.
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Scientology has been ridiculed on the internet for the last few years, in relation to people like Tom Cruise openly endorsing it. There is an irony in protesting against Scientology's existence due to censorship.


So now your saying that the government should create a task force designed to end cults? Even the ones that aren't breaking laws? That sounds as bad as Bush's wire tapping. Also...I thought you said that going after and ending cults wouldn't fix the problem. Which is it?
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Should have said, 'what we should do about drugs'. We have tried to stop drugs, telling people about how badly it can affect them, drugs can't be stopped, there is no point in spending billions to try and stop the drug trade.

Isn't that the same thing?
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Without thinking is spontaneously acting, which is not what happens when people join cults. Not thinking straight, is when people are convinced of a deluded fantasy i.e xenu is real, that's the thinking behind joining such groups .

So can cults. I don't see a plethora of cults ready to sweep up the idiots that are mere sheep waiting to be taken advantage of. Your making the assumption that there are people who will simply believe everything they are told and will gladly give their money away. There may be some people like this but a majority of people who are suckered into cults are smart people and were weened into believing their doctrine.
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Mainstream religion gets the bulk of believers, the people who join cults are not necessarily idiots, it's generally due to emotional instability that people turn to wacky beliefs. Under enough stress people will believe anything, that's how cults work.

Pesmerga said:
It's called a metaphorical analogy to compare two different ideas to each other. You spend way too much time learning how to shut someone's argument down by memorizing logical fallacies, but you don't even have a real strong argument of your own.

"NOTHING YOU CAN DO ABOUT IT, **** IT."
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Your argument was that I implied everything was futile, I did not. Your finger nail analogy is not relevant to the point I made.


Spend ghastly amounts of money, stretch personnel resources, and make it a bigger problem that it would be without interference?

Oh, ok.
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I ballsed that sentence up, should have read what we should do about drugs. The war on drugs does not work, we can't stop the demand of drugs it's futile. If people want to take heroin theres little we can do, there is also little we can do about people planning on joining a cult who is convinced of xenu's divinity.

Excuse me, what? Who's making assumptions here? Did I give one single reason why a person might join a cult?
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You implied giving people knowledge about the flaws in the CoS would deter potential members, therefore potential members would not know this and would be able to rationally analyze what the CoS does. If people realized that the money they give to xenu doesn't give them powers the wouldn't be in the CoS.

Yup, raising awareness about how stupid the Cult of Scientology is won't do anything to change people's minds about joining it.
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Telling people how stupid creationism is doesn't seem to work, on devout Christians, logic and reason doesn't sway everyone, especially not the kind of people who join cults.

lul, your arguments suck like vacuums; did you get them from Hitler or something? Incoming logical fallacies and Godwin's Law.
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Speaking of Hitler, that is someone who understood cults, well maybe Goebbels but anyway, look at Germany in the 1930's. If you study the election history of the Wiemar republic you will see that the Nazis did well when Germany was in crisis, and poorly when Germany was prosperous(the Stresemann years). Why did one of the most cultured and civilized nations in the world, elect that nut job? Because their economy collapsed, the middle classes lost their savings and feared communism so in panic they turned to what the thought was a solution the nazis, this is an example of waht can happen when people panic and when fear consumes them. This is the same way people join cults.
 
I get it, Stabby is a speaker of Scientology! WE NOW KNOW THEIR WEAKNESS!

On another note, I fully endorse what Anon is doing. If nobody stands up and does anything, how the hell do you expect something to be done?
 
I'm not gonna quote mine, and am gonna answer in more of a general sense to end these ridiculously long posts. Stabby...have you even checked to make sure anon hasn't impacted scientology in any way? How are you so sure of this? There are many scientologists that have come forth and talked about their experiences. Also...how do you think they recruit? They proclaim themselves to be a self help philosophy group. Most people think this is harmless so they think nothing of it and they are slowly being turned into scientologists. If people were made aware of what scientology actually is it would prevent people from joining and being corrupted.

You seem to be assuming way too much. Your assuming that theres a certain percent of the population that is begging to be exploited. I don't see any evidence to suggest that. Your also assuming that just because something is main stream means that everyone is wasting their time. I am not sure where your trying to go with that.Your also assuming that making the public aware of some horrible organization won't prevent people from taking the first harmless steps to Scientology. Again I see no proof, just assumptions you are passing as fact.
 
CyberPitz said:
I get it, Stabby is a speaker of Scientology! WE NOW KNOW THEIR WEAKNESS!

On another note, I fully endorse what Anon is doing. If nobody stands up and does anything, how the hell do you expect something to be done?
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People have stood up and protested it before way back in the 90's.

It's about as effective as protesting wal-mart. Everybody knows it sucks, but it's still around and stronger than ever. And the people that go to it religiously, still go to it. Unfortunately my family goes there... because of the cheap prices for cheap ass products. But at least it's not scientology. :D
 
Mr Stabby said:
Telling people how stupid creationism is doesn't seem to work, on devout Christians, logic and reason doesn't sway everyone, especially not the kind of people who join cults.
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The point isnt to stop Scientologists from being Scientologists. Its to stop normal people from even considering giving a rational thought about becoming one.

The protests arnt trying to stop Scientology. They're to try and save some people from making a bad and uninformed decision by joining. And while everyone here is saying "oh its not going to do a damned thing" well it already has. Sure, the protests having had a dramatic effect on the CoS, but even in this very thread, the actions of Anon have sparked a discussion of what Scientology is, and people have learned more about it and the wrongs they have caused. This is the internet, and this discussion is going to spread far and wide across the web, affecting more people than we could possibly know.

And sure, they may be fights that are more worthy of the effort, but it doesnt matter, because no matter what fight we take up, theres alway going to be a more important once. The best we can do is pick any random thing thats wrong with the world, and try and save people from that thing.
 
The protests are worth doing. You might make a difference, you might not, but at least you'll get lulz.

It's like any protest: you may not believe that it will truly change anything, but that doesn't and shouldn't matter. If everyone thought that, there would be no protest at all. At least you were there, and you were right.
 
Krynn72 said:
The point isnt to stop Scientologists from being Scientologists. Its to stop normal people from even considering giving a rational thought about becoming one.

The protests arnt trying to stop Scientology. They're to try and save some people from making a bad and uninformed decision by joining. And while everyone here is saying "oh its not going to do a damned thing" well it already has. Sure, the protests having had a dramatic effect on the CoS, but even in this very thread, the actions of Anon have sparked a discussion of what Scientology is, and people have learned more about it and the wrongs they have caused. This is the internet, and this discussion is going to spread far and wide across the web, affecting more people than we could possibly know.

And sure, they may be fights that are more worthy of the effort, but it doesnt matter, because no matter what fight we take up, theres alway going to be a more important once. The best we can do is pick any random thing thats wrong with the world, and try and save people from that thing.
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A voice of reason!

Glad I skipped to the last page for this. :E
 
Darkside55 said:
...you are the Legionnaire. I know it. I will follow you until death.
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I don't even know what this means.
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I remember back when I didn't like Darkside and I thought he was a bit of a stupey.

Now he's sort of OK.
 
The point really is that, if nothing else, the protests are getting some media coverage. Bringing the negative aspects (the way that's written makes it sound like there's positive aspects, hah!) of the Church of Scientology to light is going to get people to see the issue beyond, "Crazy celebrities join wacky cult." It's disseminating information about the Church's practices and people need to look at it for that.

Sulkdodds said:
I don't even know what this means.
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What you said...what you said could not have come from any simple understanding or observation. You have expressed the tenets of Anonymous to a finely-honed point. Anonymous is not a name or a group chained by any one place--not /b/, not the chans, not even the whole of the internet. Anonymous is an ideal, a banner. You understand that better than any I have ever seen. No layman or sideline observer could have spoken such words; you must be legion. Your eloquence and wisdom have moved me. Anonymous has no leaders, no recognition in its ranks, but every now-and-then someone speaks for Anonymous, someone says something that gels with us all, that we adopt as doctrine. This you have done, so I call you Legionnaire. You have spoken for us, and you have my axe.

Pesmerga said:
I remember back when I didn't like Darkside and I thought he was a bit of a stupey.

Now he's sort of OK.
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Aww, that's sweet of you to say. Don't worry Pesh, my opinion of you will never change. I'll always hate you.

Krynn72 said:
He never comes out to play :(
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I'm sick and mom says I have to stay inside.
 
All of ye nay-sayers depress me severely.
 
Aha! Not only are we supporting the fight against Scientology, we're also preventing depression in Jintor!
 
This protest is about disliking Scientology, nothing more. It's a baseless assertion to claim that this will in fact cause any long term harm to Scientology's ability to operate.

There is no point in rationally explaining that you do not receive special powers in return for handing over your money to Scientology. It requires faith to join a cult, and when some has faith in an idea, they won't care about the rational criticisms of the CoS. The especially won't care to hear it from some teenagers wearing plastic masks, standing on a street corner, who met on the internet.
 
Protests might not change the world, man, but it's worth a shot. You can sit at your desk and say, "This won't accomplish anything;" well you may be right. You may be absolutely right.

But the idea that maybe the ball would get rolling was a big enough motivator for a couple thousand people to get out there and rally in multiple countries across the world. They might not accomplish anything in the short run, maybe not even in the long run, but they made the attempt.

You, you're just sitting at your computer typing out how you think it's a waste of time. One's proactive, the other isn't.
 
Yet some people still claim anon is making a big difference. My problem is not that they are protesting it's the self-righteous attitude that it's making a big difference, when realistically it will be largely ignored and achieve nothing.
 
Mr Stabby said:
Yet some people still claim anon is making a big difference. My problem is not that they are protesting it's the self-righteous attitude that it's making a big difference, when realistically it will be largely ignored and achieve nothing.
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Hey, Stabby, can you pick me up a sports almanac as long as you're in the future? Thanks mate.

You don't know what it'll accomplish. Some people seem to think Rome was built in a day. Getting the ball rolling doesn't mean that it's achieved maximum velocity. And maybe it really won't do anything, but hey, media coverage? Future raids planned? Probably more people joining up? You can't say for a certainty what the outcome will be. Maybe it will do something. There's the chance that it MIGHT do something; that's why some people are feeling like what's going on is important. That the Church of Scientology will be damaged in some way. It's only just begun, and while I have no expectations either way, it's better to wait it out and see.
 
Mr Stabby said:
Yet some people still claim anon is making a big difference. My problem is not that they are protesting it's the self-righteous attitude that it's making a big difference, when realistically it will be largely ignored and achieve nothing.
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...so they should adopt some tiny attitude that says "This will never work, please tread on us Scientology?"

Protests don't work that way. :/
 
Darkside55 said:
Hey, Stabby, can you pick me up a sports almanac as long as you're in the future? Thanks mate.

You don't know what it'll accomplish. Some people seem to think Rome was built in a day. Getting the ball rolling doesn't mean that it's achieved maximum velocity. And maybe it really won't do anything, but hey, media coverage? Future raids planned? Probably more people joining up? You can't say for a certainty what the outcome will be. Maybe it will do something. There's the chance that it MIGHT do something; that's why some people are feeling like what's going on is important. That the Church of Scientology will be damaged in some way. It's only just begun, and while I have no expectations either way, it's better to wait it out and see.
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These protests only preach to the choir. This protest already happened so I don't need to go into the future to know it's media reception was underwhelming. Unless it escalates past some teenagers in masks, I will remain skeptical of it's potential.


Jintor said:
...so they should adopt some tiny attitude that says "This will never work, please tread on us Scientology?"

Protests don't work that way. :/
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If you burned down some CoS churches and killed Tom Cruise, then I'd be more likely to believe your actions had any effect. Until then I think the attitude that these protests are making a difference is unfounded.
 
Agreed.

I'm sure anyone involved or who associates themselves with Anon want to believe that it's epic win or whatever, but I think it's highly unlikely that it will amount to anything.
 
Well, then it's the waiting game for us, isn't it?

Damn nay-sayers.
 
Eejit said:
Agreed.

I'm sure anyone involved or who associates themselves with Anon want to believe that it's epic win or whatever, but I think it's highly unlikely that it will amount to anything.
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It's already amounted to stuff. It's created awareness, and the media have noticed, so yeah, it's amounted.
 
Awareness amongst whom, places like hl2.net, places that are already anti-Scientology, that's preaching to the choir.
 
Druckles said:
It's already amounted to stuff. It's created awareness, and the media have noticed, so yeah, it's amounted.
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Awareness for how long?

I think it's going to be one of those very short-term things that'll be forgotten about by almost everyone who isn't involved.

The South Park episode has created far more awareness than this ever will imo, and longer-lasting I expect.
 
toaster-chan said:
Thiiiiiiiis.
To those of you who think there are more worthy causes to protest: go out and protest them rather than sitting on your ass, you lazy ****.
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Silence fat, paedophilic, lonely, old, balding man! While your penus is still around, I shall remain a lazy "****".
 
It certainly is preaching to the choir when you have people asking why you're protesting, and asking for pamphlets and websites they can go to to find out more. Because, y'know, the educated choir just loves pamphlets telling them stuff they already know.
 
Eejit said:
Awareness for how long?

I think it's going to be one of those very short-term things that'll be forgotten about by almost everyone who isn't involved.

The South Park episode has created far more awareness than this ever will imo, and longer-lasting I expect.
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Because if South Park already did it, nobody else should bother.
 
Absinthe said:
Because if South Park already did it, nobody else should bother.
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Did I say or even imply that? Don't put words in my mouth.
I was simply saying that I think this anon protest will have far, far less effect than the south park episode.
 
Darkside55 said:
It certainly is preaching to the choir when you have people asking why you're protesting, and asking for pamphlets and websites they can go to to find out more. Because, y'know, the educated choir just loves pamphlets telling them stuff they already know.
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That is what preaching to the choir is all about. This thread is a fine example of it.
 
Preaching to the choir most likely, but if it stops one person from joining Scientology(there's a video of this), it's all worth it. God... I mean Xenu... Wait, I mean Hubbard. Yeah, Hubbard knows that the last thing the Church of $cientology needs is another Lisa McPherson.
 
Are there going to be more protests like this one or is this a one off thing?
 
What a boring protest. Isn't anyone going to make up some chants at least? :p
 
"Lol, internet people are real."

Is all I could think from that video.
 
Eejit said:
What a boring protest. Isn't anyone going to make up some chants at least? :p
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I was hoping something along the lines of someone chucking a molotov cocktail at Tom Cruise/other crazy scientologists ..but I'd settle for a chant ..well one that wasnt stupid ...

There were numerous demands for "CAKE!" - Shortly followed by much more enthusiastic cries of "THE CAKE IS A LIE!" ... Then someone came round with cakes, prompting happy exclamations that "THE CAKE IS REAL!"


A chant of "This is religion!" (pointing to the left) "THIS IS A CULT!" (pointing to the scientology building), repeating - I didn't ever work out what the original point of this was, other than to underscore that scientology is not a religion, but then the mounted police showed up to herd us out of the road so that traffic could pass.

At which point, it became "THIS IS A HORSE!" (point at horse) "THIS IS A CULT!" (point at scientolgy building)


"HORSE!" (point) "CULT!" (point) "HORSE! ... CULT! ... HORSE! ... CULT!"

... and several renditions of the "I love horses, best of all the animals" song
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