Another foul country abuses human rights...

[Razor]

http://newsbox.msn.co.uk/article.as...ortlive&ks=1&mc=0&ml=ma&lc=en&ae=windows-1252

It is absolutely sick how any country could get away with torture, absolutely shocking, and i hope that the UN cracks down on this vile nation with sanctions and threatens military action as well. That should definately send a message to China and North Korea that such violations will not be tolerated by the UN and the free world.

 

[Ennui]

Yep... sometimes I'm embarrassed to be an American. Still, every country does this whether you like or know about it or not.

 

[Razor]

Yep... sometimes I'm embarrassed to be an American. Still, every country does this whether you like or know about it or not.

I just hope that any information given to Britain through these means is refused and Bush is forced to explain himself infront of the UN for the violations.

 

[KoreBolteR]

http://newsbox.msn.co.uk/article.as...ortlive&ks=1&mc=0&ml=ma&lc=en&ae=windows-1252

It is absolutely sick how any country could get away with torture, absolutely shocking, and i hope that the UN cracks down on this vile nation with sanctions and threatens military action as well. That should definately send a message to China and North Korea that such violations will not be tolerated by the UN and the free world.

razor, every country in the world does it..

 

[Ennui]

I just hope that any information given to Britain through these means is refused and Bush is forced to explain himself infront of the UN for the violations.

I agree. though I think Britain has and still will accept the information.

 

[Razor]

razor, every country in the world does it..

Yes, which is a problem with hypocrasy.

I haven't heard of Luxembourg torturing prisoners, or Iceland, or Canada, or England, or New Zealand...

 

[Gray Fox]

You have no idea at what horrible crimes luxemburg has commited, you have no idea But some things are better left alone.

 

[CptStern]

rabid right rehearsed response (or RRRR for short):

"it's not abuse if they're terrorists ...or iraqi"

 

[KoreBolteR]

Yes, which is a problem with hypocrasy.

I haven't heard of Luxembourg torturing prisoners, or Iceland, or Canada, or England, or New Zealand...

yeah you dont hear it in the news do you, the governments want it kept quiet.

when the anti-america media find out about them tho, they go ballistic.

i wouldnt mind if they did it too every country in the world, but because america is the richest, they focus on them.

"it's not abuse if they're terrorists ...or iraqi"

no. ""it's not abuse if they're terrorists", is right.

 

[Razor]

yeah you dont hear it in the news do you, the governments want it kept quiet.

when the anti-america media find out about them tho, they go ballistic.

i wouldnt mind if they did it too every country in the world, but because america is the richest, they focus on them.



no. ""it's not abuse if they're terrorists", is right.

Any free country that justifies torturing a terrorist is no better then the terrorists themselves. The reason the Human Rights people focus on America because what the American government do is torture people with their left hand whilst getting rid of evil tyrants with their right hand.

 

[KoreBolteR]

Any free country that justifies torturing a terrorist is no better then the terrorists themselves. The reason the Human Rights people focus on America because what the American government do is torture people with their left hand whilst getting rid of evil tyrants with their right hand.

but if they didnt these terrorists would be here forever..

after WWII, a nazi guerilla rebellion(terrorists) formed in all areas of the occupied Germany (1945-1948), you know what they did to them guerillas or anybody that looked suspicious? lined them up, shot them, beheaded them, beat them, jailed them. then there were no 'terrorists' left.

you cant capture a person who has definately been tied with a terrorist, and just splash his face with cold water, or tickle his feet with a feather, how is that gonna make him talk. if they dont want to be tortured, dont join the terrorist organisation (aiming to kill americans) in the first place. imhfo

 

[Absinthe]

A lot of these people are mere suspects, Kore. And torturing somebody for information is nowhere near 100% effective.

But hey, you obviously condone the torture/exectution of anybody that even looks suspicious. Let's do things your way for a few decades and see how effective it is against the terrorist problem.

 

[Bodacious]

Sleep deprevation and exposure to extreme temperatures for extended periods of time is not torture. If it was, then I could file suit against the USMC for being repeatedly tortured.

 

[The Monkey]

How can people here even talk about torture as a good thing. No one deserves to be treated like that, not even teroorists. Torture is a crime and should be punished with long sentences.

 

[KoreBolteR]

How can people here even talk about torture as a good thing. No one deserves to be treated like that, not even teroorists. Torture is a crime and should be punished with long sentences.

being a terrorist is a crime and should be punished with torture, to prevent other terrorists from taking other innocent lives.

 

[Absinthe]

being a terrorist is a crime and should be punished with torture, to prevent other terrorists from taking other innocent lives.

Ignoring the fact that a lot of the torture is happening to suspects...

I would like you to explain how torturing terrorists will decrease their numbers.

 

[The Monkey]

being a terrorist is a crime and should be punished with torture, to prevent other terrorists from taking other innocent lives.

If you sink as low as too torture someone, then you're no better than the terrorists. The UN's human rights forbid torture, so they have all rights in the world to put sanctions on the US. In fact, I hope they do (they wont, but still) so that their government understands that you cant treat human beings like this.

This is how dictionary.com defines terrorist: "One that engages in acts or an act of terrorism."
And this is how they define terrorism: "The unlawful use or threatened use of force or violence by a person or an organized group against people or property with the intention of intimidating or coercing societies or governments, often for ideological or political reasons."
In that case, the US government is a terrorist organisation.

 

[No Limit]

Sleep deprevation and exposure to extreme temperatures for extended periods of time is not torture. If it was, then I could file suit against the USMC for being repeatedly tortured.

Do you not admit much more serious violations are occuring?

 

[Bodacious]

Do you not admit much more serious violations are occuring?

At Abu Grhaib, yes. But that is what the linked article on the first page said was going on at Gitmo.

 

[CptStern]

At Abu Grhaib, yes. But that is what the linked article on the first page said was going on at Gitmo.

:upstare: you're saying it's an isolated incident? I cry bullshit:


"Human Resource Exploitation Training Manual," 1983

""KUBARK Counterintelligence Interrogation," July 1963



"The CIA used two secret manuals during Terry Ward’s career to train Latin American militaries and security services in interrogating suspects, one titled “KUBARK Counterintelligence Interrogation - July 1963,” and a updated version titled “Human Resource Exploitation Training Manual -1983.” These two documents were declassified in January 1997 in response to a 1994 Freedom of Information Act request by the Baltimore Sun, and the Sun’s threat of a lawsuit under FOIA. The Sun headlined its report on the documents (27 January 1997, by Gary Cohn, Ginger Thompson, and Mark Matthews) as “Torture was taught by CIA.” The Sun’s story noted the admonition on page 46 of the 1963 manual that when planning an interrogation room, “the electric current should be known in advance, so that transformers or other modifying devices will be on hand if needed.” The Sun reported that “...this referred to the application of electric shocks to interrogation suspects.”

"The 1963 manual included a 22-page section titled “The Coercive Counterintelligence Interrogation of Resistant Sources,” which on page 100 admonishes that “drugs (and the other aids discussed in this section) should not be used persistently to facilitate the interrogative debriefing that follows capitulation. Their function is to cause capitulation, to aid in the shift from resistance to cooperation. Once this shift has been accomplished, coercive techniques should be abandoned both for moral reasons and because they are unnecessary and even counter-productive.”

The 1983 manual as declassified included numerous revisions made by CIA apparently in July 1984 in the wake of public revelations about a CIA “assassination” manual used by the Nicaraguan contras. The revisions added a full page following the table of contents labeled “Prohibition against use of force,” and overwrote in hand-printed letters most of the manual’s references to “coercive techniques.” For example, the 1983 sentence on the second page of the introduction read “While we do not stress the use of coercive techniques, we do want to make you aware of them and the proper way to use them.” The 1984 revisions overwrote “do not stress” with the word “deplore” and replaced the phrase “the proper way to use them” with the phrase “so that you may avoid them.”

 

[The Monkey]

Yes stern, but on the sixties they were also inprisoning people beacause of their political opinions, so I'm not suprised that they tortured people too.

 

[satch919]

razor, every country in the world does it..

That doesn't make it right. Just because our enemies do it doesn't mean that we have to. It'd be beneficial for the US to show that we aren't as barbaric as our enemies. This isn't the middle ages anymore.

Sleep deprevation and exposure to extreme temperatures for extended periods of time is not torture. If it was, then I could file suit against the USMC for being repeatedly tortured.

You volunteered to be in the Marine Corp. Therefore, you knew what you were up against. These prisoners or detainees should be treated the same way as our own prisoners and offenders. Remember innocent until proven guilty?

If we are going to abuse and torture these people, then the US might as well stop touting the importance of human rights.

I understand that some of these guys are the scum of the Earth. However, in a time when our image has been tarnished, I think we should be a little more careful in our actions. We don't want to give our enemies another reason to attack us.

 

[CptStern]

yes but this is in latin america. The School of the Americas taught Latin american paramilitaries courses in torture and assination. Both the KUBARK and the Human Resource Exploitation Training manuals were part of the courses. The methods used in the manuals were the same that was used in abu gharib and gitmo:

"CIA interrogation manuals written in the 1960s and 1980s described "coercive techniques" such as those used to mistreat detainees at the Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq"

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