Depressed mother cooked baby on stove

[SIGbastard]

I guess I lack compassion but if you murder someone on purpose you should be put to death. I don't care if you are retarded, insane, mental, etc. I'm not one that think the death penalty should be used as a deterrent either. I don't think it was ever or is meant to be a deterrent. It's about justice.

 

[Solaris]

I guess I lack compassion but if you murder someone on purpose you should be put to death. I don't care if you are retarded, insane, mental, etc. I'm not one that think the death penalty should be used as a deterrent either. I don't think it was ever or is meant to be a deterrent. It's about justice.

The woman currentley is too screwed mentally she might as well not be alive, now if through pysciatric help. She can be cured, at least particially, then she should be given treatment.

Who is going to benifit from her death? Enough blood has been spilt on her accord.

Why hang a corspe when you can bring it to life?

 

[SIGbastard]

The woman currentley is too screwed mentally she might as well not be alive, now if through pysciatric help. She can be cured, at least particially, then she should be given treatment.

Who is going to benifit from her death? Enough blood has been spilt on her accord.

Why hang a corspe when you can bring it to life?

I don't want her to be "cured". The only rational thing a "cured" person could do is put a gun in their mouth and let the hammer drop on a loaded chamber. I mean any "cured" normal person couldn't possiby live with thei rself when they "realized" what they had done. It would be a total waste of services that could go to people who don't cook their baby. There is absolutely no excuse. I don't care if voices told her to do it. The fact is she acted on them. The only blood I have a problem with being spilt is that of the innocent child. I say light the bitch up. I'd enjoy some popcorn if I got to view that. It's kinda like the videos you can view of terrorists being ripped apart by machinegun fire. I just don't care and I in fact have a better day knowing the shitstain on humanity is wiped out.

 

[RakuraiTenjin]

I don't want her to be "cured". The only rational thing a "cured" person could do is put a gun in their mouth and let the hammer drop on a loaded chamber. I mean any "cured" normal person couldn't possiby live with thei rself when they "realized" what they had done. It would be a total waste of services that could go to people who don't cook their baby. There is absolutely no excuse. I don't care if voices told her to do it. The fact is she acted on them. The only blood I have a problem with being spilt is that of the innocent child. I say light the bitch up. I'd enjoy some popcorn if I got to view that. It's kinda like the videos you can view of terrorists being ripped apart by machinegun fire. I just don't care and I in fact have a better day knowing the shitstain on humanity is wiped out.

Don't normally do this but
QFTMFT

 

[SIGbastard]

Don't normally do this but
QFTMFT

What is QFTMFT? I know what some internet abbreviations are but I've never seen that.

 

[Yuri]

What is QFTMFT? I know what some internet abbreviations are but I've never seen that.

Quoted for Truth, MotherF*cking Truth.

That's my guess.

 

[RakuraiTenjin]

Quoted for Truth, MotherF*cking Truth.

That's my guess.

Quoted for THE MFing Truth

 

[JNightshade]

I think a lot of you need to shut the hell up and think for a second. Do you REALLY THINK that anyone sane is capable of doing something like that? I don't think so. I mean, if she actually wanted to get rid of the baby, she would've stabbed it or shot it or something. There's no way a rational thought process could've led her to burn her baby boy to death. Hence, she's clearly very very sick. So what do you do about it? Kill her? You motherf*ckers talking about "shitstains on humanity" should be ashamed of yourselves. Your logic sounds like the logic the Nazis used when they wiped out the Jews, the Gypsies, the homosexuals, the communists, and the mentally ill. Furthermore, the point of punishment is not to "get even" or "wipe the shitstains off humanity" but rather to teach a lesson to the criminal and keep normal people safe. This woman doesn't belong six feet underground; she belongs in a mental institute, getting all the medication and treatment she needs in order to become as close to normalcy as possible. Goddammit, you f*cking inhuman, heartless bastards make me sick.

 

[Lex Luthor]

I think a lot of you need to shut the hell up and think for a second. Do you REALLY THINK that anyone sane is capable of doing something like that? I don't think so. I mean, if she actually wanted to get rid of the baby, she would've stabbed it or shot it or something. There's no way a rational thought process could've led her to burn her baby boy to death. Hence, she's clearly very very sick. So what do you do about it? Kill her? You motherf*ckers talking about "shitstains on humanity" should be ashamed of yourselves. Your logic sounds like the logic the Nazis used when they wiped out the Jews, the Gypsies, the homosexuals, the communists, and the mentally ill. Furthermore, the point of punishment is not to "get even" or "wipe the shitstains off humanity" but rather to teach a lesson to the criminal and keep normal people safe. This woman doesn't belong six feet underground; she belongs in a mental institute, getting all the medication and treatment she needs in order to become as close to normalcy as possible. Goddammit, you f*cking inhuman, heartless bastards make me sick.

Fine, this is a more humane solution than outright killing her. But then the funding of this mental institute should be completely optional through charitable organizations and not out of my hard-earned money. I don't want some f*cked-up schizophrenic baby killer to live at my expense, if she gets to live at all.

 

[BabyHeadCrab]

or I could be wrong... wtf is wrong with people

 

[Lex Luthor]

Uh look at the beginning of that URL.. it's not msn

http://newsbox.msn.co.uk/ is just a directory url..

It's still a subdomain of msn.co.uk. And even if this has no main index page, it can still be a valid website, as it clearly is.

N00B :rolling:

 

[Sparta]

Fine, this is a more humane solution than outright killing her. But then the funding of this mental institute should be completely optional through charitable organizations and not out of my hard-earned money. I don't want some f*cked-up schizophrenic baby killer to live at my expense, if she gets to live at all.

Lord some of you people are completely self-centered and heartless. She didn't ask for some kind of schzio-affective disorder, she didn't bring it on herself, it just happened. If it happened to you, you'd expect people to show compassion and help you out and stop this from happening again.

If the only thing you ****ing care about is money then you are wasting your life.

 

[BabyHeadCrab]

It's still a subdomain of msn.co.uk. And even if this has no main index page, it can still be a valid website, as it clearly is.

N00B :rolling:

lol, yeah I am.. but could this still be fake.. I want it to be.

 

[DarkStar]

Good God when will this thread go away?

I'm horrified every time I look at Off-Topic.

 

[Lex Luthor]

Lord some of you people are completely self-centered and heartless. She didn't ask for some kind of schzio-affective disorder, she didn't bring it on herself, it just happened. If it happened to you, you'd expect people to show compassion and help you out and stop this from happening again.

If the only thing you ****ing care about is money then you are wasting your life.

And I didn't ask to pay for her problems. People should still help her, but simply shouldn't be forced to.

If you don't care about your money, would you like to donate some of it to my cause? You see, I'm going to college this fall, and it would be a much better investment. Or would you want me to kill some babies for you? Is that it?

 

[BabyHeadCrab]

I question as to if this woman actually wants to continue living.

 

[Sparta]

And I didn't ask to pay for her problems. People should still help her, but simply shouldn't be forced to.

If you don't care about your money, would you like to donate some of it to my cause? You see, I'm going to college this fall, and it would be a much better investment. Or would you want me to kill some babies for you? Is that it?

To me, saving lives and helping people is a whole lot more important then going to college. The thing that pisses me off is that you're more upset about having to pay to help her problems then you seem to be about what happened to that kid.

 

[Lex Luthor]

To me, saving lives and helping people is a whole lot more important then going to college. The thing that pisses me off is that you're more upset about having to pay to help her problems then you seem to be about what happened to that kid.

It does upset me a lot, but I was not discussing the emotional effect of this horrific story upon myself. This is another topic. I was only discussing what should happen to this poor, sick woman.

Is her life worth saving? I think so, but only if it doesn't involve my money. I simply want no part in her problems. If somebody else does, then they should be able to decide to donate to her cause.

 

[Sparta]

Is her life worth saving? I think so, but only if it doesn't involve my money.

How compassionate

 

[BabyHeadCrab]

How compassionate

maybe he is impersonating Lex like that sp0ck guy did for spock at first. Or maybe he's just creepy.. sounds like a true capatalist though :thumbs:

 

[Lex Luthor]

How compassionate

As much as you would like it to be so, this is not a simple matter of compassion. It's about the freedom to spend as one would please. We should not be forced to spend out of the goodness of our hearts, but instead should be inclined to do so willingly. Sure, if I had a lot more resources, I would be happy to help her cause (if it needs help), but regrettably I do not. My money, which I need for myself, should not be stolen from me to support this woman.

 

[BabyHeadCrab]

As much as you would like it to be so, this is not a simple matter of compassion. It's about the freedom to spend as one would please. We should not be forced to spend out of the goodness of our hearts, but instead should be inclined to do so willingly. Sure, if I had a lot more resources, I would be happy to help her cause (if it needs help), but regrettably I do not. My money, which I need for myself, should not be stolen from me to support this woman.

is it just me, or is there some irony in the fact that you are saying this and your name is Lex Luthor

but I respect your opinion on this because you type intelligible reasonable responses without flaming, I disagree in some ways however. But I agree it's humanity that should come before legislation, not vice versa

 

[JNightshade]

Wow... honestly, man, you do seem overly concerned with your money. Give it a break... the idea behind taxation is that everyone chips in a bit, so people like her can get treatment without breaking our wallets.

 

[Lex Luthor]

you do seem overly concerned with your money.

Oh sure, it's a such terrible vice for someone to be accountable for what they own...

 

[RakuraiTenjin]

I think a lot of you need to shut the hell up and think for a second. Do you REALLY THINK that anyone sane is capable of doing something like that? I don't think so. I mean, if she actually wanted to get rid of the baby, she would've stabbed it or shot it or something. There's no way a rational thought process could've led her to burn her baby boy to death. Hence, she's clearly very very sick. So what do you do about it? Kill her? You motherf*ckers talking about "shitstains on humanity" should be ashamed of yourselves. Your logic sounds like the logic the Nazis used when they wiped out the Jews, the Gypsies, the homosexuals, the communists, and the mentally ill. Furthermore, the point of punishment is not to "get even" or "wipe the shitstains off humanity" but rather to teach a lesson to the criminal and keep normal people safe. This woman doesn't belong six feet underground; she belongs in a mental institute, getting all the medication and treatment she needs in order to become as close to normalcy as possible. Goddammit, you f*cking inhuman, heartless bastards make me sick.

Way to compare us to Nazis because we support capital punishment for baby killers. I don't care what the reason was, she burnt alive a damn baby. SHE chose to do it. Nobody forced her to. This woman belongs gone from the face of the Earth. She wasn't that far gone that she couldn't help herself from this, as clearly doctors were saying she was fine earlier, with only some disagreeing. She was well enough to live on her own, and that puts her at responsibility for own actions. If I started hearing a voice telling me to kill a baby, I sure as hell wouldn't listen to the son of a bitch. She's the one who chose to do it, and she knew what she was doing, she went and told her neighbor. It sickens me that she's even still alive right now.

 

[Fat Tony!]

I think a lot of you need to shut the hell up and think for a second. Do you REALLY THINK that anyone sane is capable of doing something like that? I don't think so. I mean, if she actually wanted to get rid of the baby, she would've stabbed it or shot it or something. There's no way a rational thought process could've led her to burn her baby boy to death. Hence, she's clearly very very sick. So what do you do about it? Kill her? You motherf*ckers talking about "shitstains on humanity" should be ashamed of yourselves. Your logic sounds like the logic the Nazis used when they wiped out the Jews, the Gypsies, the homosexuals, the communists, and the mentally ill. Furthermore, the point of punishment is not to "get even" or "wipe the shitstains off humanity" but rather to teach a lesson to the criminal and keep normal people safe. This woman doesn't belong six feet underground; she belongs in a mental institute, getting all the medication and treatment she needs in order to become as close to normalcy as possible. Goddammit, you f*cking inhuman, heartless bastards make me sick.

Yeah I agree, she wasn't like "oooh lets kill the baby", she was probably thinking maybe that the baby should have seat and to have a nice warm bottom... If she is cured then she isn't going to go and do it again, she will live a normal life. You can't deny her that. Murder is knowing what your doing, doing it pre planned, so doesn't count crazy bastards.

 

[Lex Luthor]

Yeah I agree, she wasn't like "oooh lets kill the baby", she was probably thinking maybe that the baby should have seat and to have a nice warm bottom... If she is cured then she isn't going to go and do it again, she will live a normal life. You can't deny her that. Murder is knowing what your doing, doing it pre planned, so doesn't count crazy bastards.

I think that the extreme negligence in this case might warrant the death penalty. On the other hand, I'm no judge or jury, and all the facts of the case have not been presented to me, so my opinion is rather pointless, isn't it?

 

[Sparta]

I think that the extreme negligence in this case might warrant the death penalty. On the other hand, I'm no judge or jury, and all the facts of the case have not been presented to me, so my opinion is rather pointless, isn't it?

Negligence where is negligence? She said she killed the baby because voices told her to do it. She probably didn't realised what she did until later when the neighbour found her

 

[Lex Luthor]

Negligence where is negligence? She said she killed the baby because voices told her to do it. She probably didn't realised what she did until later when the neighbour found her

neg·li·gence
n.

1. The state or quality of being negligent.
2. A negligent act or a failure to act.
3. Law. Failure to exercise the degree of care considered reasonable under the circumstances, resulting in an unintended injury to another party.

She was negligent in her care because her schizophrenic condition led to the baby's death. She was clearly not a suitable guardian.

 

[SIGbastard]

I think a lot of you need to shut the hell up and think for a second. Do you REALLY THINK that anyone sane is capable of doing something like that? I don't think so. I mean, if she actually wanted to get rid of the baby, she would've stabbed it or shot it or something. There's no way a rational thought process could've led her to burn her baby boy to death. Hence, she's clearly very very sick. So what do you do about it? Kill her? You motherf*ckers talking about "shitstains on humanity" should be ashamed of yourselves. Your logic sounds like the logic the Nazis used when they wiped out the Jews, the Gypsies, the homosexuals, the communists, and the mentally ill. Furthermore, the point of punishment is not to "get even" or "wipe the shitstains off humanity" but rather to teach a lesson to the criminal and keep normal people safe. This woman doesn't belong six feet underground; she belongs in a mental institute, getting all the medication and treatment she needs in order to become as close to normalcy as possible. Goddammit, you f*cking inhuman, heartless bastards make me sick.

Were you on that jury that found that guy who massacred a bunch of his coworkers innocent by reason of insanity? His defense said the sugar in his twinkie from the vending machine made him go insane temporarily . That is a perfect example. I don't care if the guy was insane because of twinkies. All I care about is that the guy murdered a bunch of people for no reason.

It's the same with this lady. "Voices" told her to do it. I could give a Sh&* what voices told her to do. I care that she did it.

I have nothing against the insane or people with mental problems, but once those people murder someone I COULD CARE LESS THAT THEY HAD ISSUES. THEY ENDED SOMEONE'S LIFE AND NOW THEY DESERVE NOTHING LESS THAN DEATH. I DON'T CARE IF THEY UNDERSTOOD WHY THEY DID IT AND DO NOT WANT TO REHABILITATE THERE SICK DEMENTED MIND.

If you think I completely lack compassion you are wrong. My job for the last 4 years has been taking care of and assisting individuals with developmental disabilities. I quit because I am about to start Dental School. I cared deeply about the guys I worked with.

Alot of the time some of these guys could get out of control (luckily I never had to work with any of them but I saw it). The problem was there was never any consequences because you'd get the crap sued out of you in certain situations. For instance if one of my guys decided to repeatitively punch me all I could legally do is response block (like I said the individuals I worked with were not violent so it's just an example). This quickly turns into a game for them because they never get hurt but they get all kinds of good reactions out of staff. Some of these guys just needed to be jabbed right back and I guarantee it woulda never happened again. My point is you should not lower standards because it helps nobody. It creates an "protected" atmosphere in which nothing is expected and in turn nothing is achieved. These guys knew what they were doing was bad in some way or another but they also new they could get away with it.

I could go into alot of detailed different stories about different individuals, but it's easier to just break it down like this. All of the guys I worked with had all sorts of programs worked out for them by Psychiatrists, their legal guardians, often depending on their competancy they played a big part etc etc. I always found that the guys that more was expected out of were a much more adapted to the community and fit in just fine. It didn't matter their competancy level. The guy I worked with the longest who I still visit on occasion has the competancy of a 5 year old. He works 5 days a week, does all his own laundry, dishes, etc. There are some things he needed help with but that's fine because he always did the part he could do on his own. Speaking of him I think his birthday is this week. I'll have to take him to Pizza Hut, it's his favorite place.

I really don't like being compared to a Nazi. I have probably changed soiled diapers for 40 year old men over 100 times and it has made me vomit on occasion because of how gross it can be. I am a very humble person.

I vaule life very differently than you. It is EXTREMELY important to me but I still think a person can cross a boundary that basically makes them not deserving of life anymore. It doesn't matter to me if that person doesn't quite tick right. I just especially think cooking a live baby falls into this category. I would loose no sleep over being the one to throw the switch on this woman. I find it humorous that anyone would defend her.

 

[Sparta]

She was negligent in her care because her schizophrenic condition led to the baby's death. She was clearly not a suitable guardian.

So by your reason, she deserves to die because of something beyond her control? Where were the authorities? Where was anyone else? Christ if she's negligent then so is the father, the neighbours, the police, ****ing everyone else is negligent.

 

[DEATH eVADER]

Despite suffering 90 percent burns to his body, doctors and paramedics managed to keep the boy alive for nine hours. The incident was so horrific that paramedics had to be given counselling for the emotional trauma they suffered.

No shit, I would be suffering from the same motional Trauma

 

[Laivasse]

Great logic in this thread in places. "I know she's mad but...she committed murder!! What an outrage, when life is so precious! KILL HER!" Well, the law is basically a glorified form of revenge, so maybe you're right...

'Negligence' doesn't cut it, that's bullshite. If I don't singlehandedly achieve world peace in my lifetime, am I negligent? No? But think of all of the people who will die because I failed to change something which is completely out of my control! Hang me, surely.

This woman could not control herself. She needs to be locked away in a mental institution for the rest of her life, most probably. Don't compare schizophrenia to some bullshitter saying he went insane from Twinkies - Twinkies is not a medical condition. You would also be incredibly naive to think "ah, the doctors said she was okay to live on her own - she must be okay! FAKER!" I unfortunately come from a family that has produced a lot of schizophrenics, and in my experience no "expert" is going to pay much attention to a person with mental problems until they do severe damage to themself or someone else, and even then it's debatable whether they'll acknowledge whether the person needs help. I would like to live in your magic universe where every insane person is miraculously born into an asylum.

 

[SIGbastard]

My dead uncle and my cousin have schizophrenia. My cousin is nuts at times. He never killed anyone. If he did I would feel the same way about him.

 

[JNightshade]

SIGBastard, your example is totally off. The guy claimed to have been driven temporarily insane by sugar. There's no evidence to support this (and it's a pretty ludicrous defense anyway). This woman is known to be very very sick in the head, and essentially incapable of rational thought and judgement.


However, even that's beside the point. As I said before, what could possibly be her motivation for doing this? Nothing sane, clearly.

Also, (even though I compared your reasoning to the Nazi "final solution", not you to Nazis themselves) you missed my point. Your being humble doesn't have anything to do with this. What I was trying to say was, just killing and letting die everyone whom you deem to be subhuman (whether it's their actions, their views or their statuses) is like the nazi reasoning. I agree with you that terrorists are horrible people, and that what they're doing is fundamentally wrong. However, I believe it's far better to show them the error of their ways, and your point of view, than to kill them.

Also (getting rather off-topic) terrorism is, unfortunately, the newest chapter in the book of war. We view it as horrible, unfair, and cruel when they blow themselves up in crowded city streets. But the British felt the exact same way about our forefathers taking cover and using (very basic) camouflage, rather than standing in rows, in bright red coats, just waiting to be killed. The British then adapted, and this became the new meaning of war. The American soldiers of WWI felt the same way when standing up out of a trench meant instant death by machinegun. And they too adapted. Terrorism is an awful thing, but it's where warfare is going. I hate it with a passion, but I can't deny that it's (unfortunately) the future.

But back on topic...
I think you definitely are qualified to have an opinion on this matter, as you worked with the mentally challenged for years. However, this also seems to have severely tainted your views. From your last entry, you seem almost to bear a grudge against them, or even dislike them openly. Pardon my psychoanalysis, but I get the feeling that your view here comes from your experiences with the mentally challenged.


Oh, and that twinkie guy... he's just a liar. I don't support the death penalty, but I can totally understand using it on him.

 

[Angry Lawyer]

I really don't want to reply to this thread, considering some close people in my life have schitzophrenia.
The people in this thread who think someone with a mental disease should die because of something out of their control are the ones who are truly sick.

-Angry Lawyer

 

[JNightshade]

Shit. You just said what I've been trying to get across in two sentences.

 

[SimonomiS]

Maybe she is playing the "mental handicap" card, like some people play the racism card. If you think she is, and you think she deserves death, fine.
Maybe she is ****ed in the head, and needs serious help, if you think this and call the other group of people a bunch of sick ****s, fine.

But if you think she really is mentally ill, but still think she deserves to be dead, take a moment to think please.

That said, very sad story.

 

[swiss]

People seem to be claiming that this woman is sane, and only pleeding insanity so she wont be shut away. If so, then under what circumstances, do MOTHERS kill their CHILDREN>?
When this kinda case comes along, it is obvious that she is most likely to be mentally ill, because people dont like killing their own children, therefore you dont really have any explanation as to why there would be a motive for here to kill her baby child; which means that she was too ill to know what she was doing.
Also people seem to be very shocked about this, especially because it was only a baby. I dont understand why it should be more shocking than the burning to death of an adult. The fact that its a baby, means that it would not have feared its death and had no idea of the world around it, it also had no future aspirations because its too young.
Therefore I think the killing of a baby, is better than the killing of an adult; because the mental capacities of babies, are far less developed then an adult.
That said of course it is still sad, just at least she didnt burn an actual person to death...

 

[JNightshade]

Very true, but everyone seems to be missing an important point. At no point did she claim to be schizophrenic, never mind insane. She doesn't even have any dialogue in the article! She's not using the typical "I'm crazy" defense, because in the article she makes no defense. She never said whether she was crazy or not... she just plead guilty and told what she experienced- that confusion and voices told her to do it.