Anti-Americanism everywhere?

[Eejit]

As an American I'd like to say I honestly don't give two shits what the world thinks of us. I like to worry about my own country and what it needs rather than focus on what the world thinks of us.

Because that didn't backfire AT ALL 7 years ago.

 

[jverne]

Sure you don't wanna genocide me instead?
You drunken slappers are so good at it.

So what? How the **** is the desirability to live in a nation even remotely connected to
criticism of it's (foreign)policies. Somehow lets say a nigerian is hypocritical if he is
dismayed by the invasion of Iraq, if he would rather live in the US that is.

You know what how about you ****ing marry the US if you like it so much you
intellectually impoverished ignorant bovine.

are you usually such a prick?




edit: oh yea...and down with the US of A

 

[Gray Fox]

It's just in keeping with my pleasant personality.
But if you finally admit you're a socialist I'll play nice.

 

[SIGbastard]

Because that didn't backfire AT ALL 7 years ago.

I'm sorry but I don't care what a muslim extremist thinks, because it honestly doesn't matter what we do they will hate us either way. Unless the US adopts Islam as a national relgion I think we will be the target of attacks like that, and for anyone to suggest otherwise needs to have their head examined.

Your argument doesn't hold much merit though because countries that are more "Islam friendly" like Spain have been attacked numerous times as well.

 

[jverne]

It's just in keeping with my pleasant personality.
But if you finally admit you're a socialist I'll play nice.

sure man...i'll buy you some Valium anytime, free of charge.

 

[Gray Fox]

I'm sorry but I don't care what a muslim extremist thinks, because it honestly doesn't matter what we do they will hate us either way. Unless the US adopts Islam as a national relgion I think we will be the target of attacks like that, and for anyone to suggest otherwise needs to have their head examined.

Your argument doesn't hold much merit though because countries that are more "Islam friendly" like Spain have been attacked numerous times as well.

No actually they were attacked when they were playing your lapdog, and pranced around in the sandbox.

 

[Direwolf]

There's probably a good argument to be made for not ticking off the part of the world that isn't the US or terrorists btw.

It's been a long time since any country on the planet could really be considered self-sufficient. We all rely on each other to some extent, and getting along with each other (even begrudgingly) is important.

 

[Krynn72]

As an American I'd like to say I honestly don't give two shits what the world thinks of us.

As an American I'd like to say I honestly think you're an idiot for saying this.

 

[nurizeko]

Yes, everyone hates America, can we move on now?

Yeah, America would love that.

Super-powers don't get to be ignored while stomping through the third world on a whim. :imu:



Popular topics of discussion on America and its myriad failings only a foreigner would talk openly about:

- George W. Bush
Seriously. This guy is a stupid war short of a war criminal....*shrug* he goes without saying.

- Cheney
Satan's bitch on Earth.

- Your shit holed economy
Everyone saw it coming but you.

- Iraq
Seriously guys, this war was basically a personal vendetta and whim of Bush and his war hawk friends, and you willingly waltz into it because there hadn't been enough pointless vengeance over 9/11, which squandered all sympathy gained from it. Not to mention your country's appalling behaviour towards other nations that saw the Iraq war for what it was and wanted nothing to do with it. Freedom fries, ****ing petty.

- Fundamentalist Christianity
I cant speak for all brits, but even the Christians I know think that shit is just too much. A first world nation shouldn't have to struggle with defending secular education and modern free society from a bunch of gay hating science fearing mongs from your own country, thats what foreign fundie Islam is for.

- Ign'nance of tha werld
I know, its an unfair stereotype, these ignorant tossers exist everywhere, but from the European viewpoint America has a surplus.

- Complete irrational fear of "socialist" dirty commie ideas like health care and economic regulation
It boggles the mind. Universal health care is something our respective nations would revolt over if threatened to take it away. The fact your government has tricked you into thinking its somehow worse then your current lot is astonishing (no, national health provision is not like a soviet era ruskie hospital), and as for this fear of regulation, and generally shitting on the poor, well, look how well its working for you.
Taxes should be used for real benefits and improvements to everyones life, that means helping the poor to improve their's to, not wasted in bonfires in the middle-east or some other pointless theatre of conflict.

- Too fat
It isn't helped that what we consider a medium sized drink over here is barely a kiddie drink to you guys, we have been tourists, we know, we see....

- Sarah Pallin and McCain
Eight years of abusing yourselves and the prospect you might actually vote for four more is just nuts to us.

 

[VirusType2]

I'm American, and, at least regarding foreign policy, I think anti-American sentiments are rife throughout our own country. Currently, with something like an 85% disapproval rating of George Bush, it shows.

If only from my own observations, 95% of America never really payed attention to politics until '9/11', at least since the end of 'the cold war'.

Despite the economic damage 9/11 and the following events caused, it's common knowledge that it was something of an awakening for the American people, and although I expect things will get worse before they get better, I think things will be better in the long run.

 

[nurizeko]

As an American I'd like to say I honestly don't give two shits what the world thinks of us. I like to worry about my own country and what it needs rather than focus on what the world thinks of us. I remember reading here in a different thread what is considered liberal here is conservative in Europe. I sincerely hope that doesn't change regardless of what the world thinks.

As arrogant as it may sound alot of the hate comes from the overwhelming success of the USA in the last century. It's easy to criticize those at the top. When our economy has issues it almost makes some people giddy and warm inside for some reason. Personally I think though our economy has encountered some major issues it will be a dominant force for years to come and as a result we will be hated intensely for many more years down the road.

I'm actually looking forward to the day America the country breaks up, peacefully with any luck.


Not out of malice, but just because I think being snapped back into reality might make Americans better people if not a country.

You say its jealousy but frankly, at least for our part of the world, why should we be jealous?, our quality of life in Europe is overall superior to the average American's in almost every measurable way.

Its not jealousy, its that America is getting "fat" and "corrupt" in many ways off its own success and its disgusting.

I cant speak for everyone but when I'm criticizing your country for its shitty economy, shitty politics, shitty health care and shitty presidents and shitty wars and shitty fundamentalist hicks and shitty education system its not because its jealousy its because America is just shitty in those respects.


Fortunately America has enough good honest hard working smart and unselfish people that hopefully your right and America will continue to be a thorn in the side of racists, hate mongers, fundamentalists, terrorists, tyrants and criminals the world over rather then being a primary source of them.

 

[VirusType2]

I think the world is going to have to accept that for every brilliant scientist America produces, there are 1000 ignorant idiots.

Lol

 

[DEATHMASTER]

I, being an American citizen, sympathize with the world's attitude, though they could be doing more than just bitching about it. Like I dunno, something? That's what their leaders are for, to help plan things.

 

[The Monkey]

I'm seriously thinking that it might not be a bad idea if Europe put its friendship with the US on a hold if they elect McCain. Are we supposed to put up with everything?

 

[blahblahblah]

I think the majority of the people forget (or don't know) how the political system in US works. Regardless of what people think, the American public really has little control how politicians run the county. Additionally, the politics in the US was designed from the get go to restrict how quickly change is enacted. So when Al Qaeda was stupid enough to cause the US government to change quickly, people forgot / didn't realize that it would take an equal or greater circumstance for the US to change course again.

This political system has its pros and cons. It just means likely for the next for decade that the world will be severely anti-American.

 

[V-Man339]

I live in America and I agree that most of America is made up of dumbasses.
I personally blame it on the educational system, its low budget, and idiots like Palin being elected.
Plus the fact that we have George as our leader sure as hell doesn't help our image.

 

[SIGbastard]

Guys I am not saying I don't give a **** about any other country but the US. What I am saying is we shouldn't let what others think about us affect our decision making. That is just the stupidest way you can go about doing anything. Worrying about what everyone thinks. Who really friggen cares. The same principle applies to an individual or a population.

 

[Direwolf]

I think part of the problem is just perceptions, both by politicians and the rest of the world. One of the best traits of Americans is the shut-up-and-get-it-done work ethic. The country definitely didn't get where it is because everyone is stupid and no one ever gets anything done. But you're not going to see anyone like that on TV. They're busy.


(Okay, maybe on Dirty Jobs)

 

[VirusType2]

I personally blame it on the educational system, its low budget

Are you saying our educational system is low budget?

As far as I know, we dump more money into education than any other country, yet our test scores are some of the lowest in the world.

We need the youth to care. People who aspire to be educated, to discover, and we need teachers and leaders to inspire them to do it.

Worrying about what everyone thinks. Who really friggen cares. The same principle applies to an individual or a population.

I care.

This is just like saying who "cares what your friends think of you?" Maybe you don't. Maybe you won't have friends for long. The same principle applies to the world population.

I had a best friend for many years and he did something I couldn't forgive. I was no longer friends with him, ever. Does that sound good to you for America?

No matter how strong any one country is, without allies, it is weak and powerless:

(Image)

 

[Krynn72]

Guys I am not saying I don't give a **** about any other country but the US. What I am saying is we shouldn't let what others think about us affect our decision making. That is just the stupidest way you can go about doing anything. Worrying about what everyone thinks. Who really friggen cares. The same principle applies to an individual or a population.

The reason we got into the Iraq War was because we did this. That certainly turned out to be a great idea.

Ignoring protests from other countries and our allies and doing whatever the **** our politicians want is the quickest way to lose all of our friends and become hated targets of nations who we have been abusing for years.

If you meant that we should make our own decisions on things like education, social services etc, then I'd agree with you. But we dont do that, and you clearly dont support just that aspect. You think we should make decisions that affect other nations without taking any input from them? Then you're an idiot.

USA: "Hey other countrie, how would you like it if we went into a war with a nation and took all their oil"

Other countries: "No, dont do that. Its illegal and unnecessary. Dont be an idiot"

USA: "**** you guys im doing it!"

 

[Kase]

What I am saying is we shouldn't let what others think about us affect our decision making. That is just the stupidest way you can go about doing anything. Worrying about what everyone thinks. Who really friggen cares.

thats what bush dose

 

[Saturos]

I would say to these particular non-Americans:

-Americans are all retarded

kiss my @$$

-Everyone is perplexed at how GWB became president

kiss my @$$

-To solve the worlds food shortage issues, all Americans must be destroyed?

kiss my @$$

-No wonder they got attacked during September 11th, they screw with dozens then when they're finally attacked Americans stand around gawking "what did we do to them?"?

kiss my @$$

-They helped Saddam fight Iran when it was convenient. When it wasn't convenient they ousted him? Retarded?

kiss my @$$

-Sarah Palin...How...what..why...how?

kiss my @$$


and that I voted for Ralph Nader, not Bush.


...and they can also kiss my @$$ if they don't like that either.

To all other non-Americans who aren't hypocritical dicks, thank you.

/leaves thread

 

[SIGbastard]

thats what bush dose

Actually that is what many great leaders have done. President Lincoln was largely hated in his time, but he is seen as one of our greatest leaders now. He enacted a draft that caused huge riots in New York for example and took unpopular positions throughout his presidency.

I am not a big Bush fan by any means, but I honestly don't think he will be seen nearly as bad in history as everyone likes to portray him. It seems like some people hate him so passionately and the only reason they can give is "he is stupid" or "he can't speak well". People hate him because it's the cool thing to do. I'll readily say he has made his share of mistakes and he would not rank up high on my list of favorite presidents, but I don't loathe him like many people so blindly do. I'm ready for the "OMG your an idiot" comments now, but honestly I don't care.

 

[nurizeko]

Actually that is what many great leaders have done. President Lincoln was largely hated in his time, but he is seen as one of our greatest leaders now. He enacted a draft that caused huge riots in New York for example and took unpopular positions throughout his presidency.

I am not a big Bush fan by any means, but I honestly don't think he will be seen nearly as bad in history as everyone likes to portray him. It seems like some people hate him so passionately and the only reason they can give is "he is stupid" or "he can't speak well". People hate him because it's the cool thing to do. I'll readily say he has made his share of mistakes and he would not rank up high on my list of favorite presidents, but I don't loathe him like many people so blindly. I'm ready for the "OMG your an idiot" comments now, but honestly I don't care.

Why would us mighty intellectual Europeans say such a dumb American joe thing?.


Theres plenty good reason to hate Bush, namely a dumb war and dumb economic handling.

In fact I've yet to see him do anything that stands out as smart for the country.

 

[Jintor]

I would say to these particular non-Americans:

kiss my @$$
kiss my @$$
kiss my @$$
kiss my @$$
kiss my @$$
kiss my @$$


and that I voted for Ralph Nader, not Bush.


...and they can also kiss my @$$ if they don't like that either.

To all other non-Americans who aren't hypocritical dicks, thank you.

/leaves thread

Well I don't know about you guys but my impressions of Americans certainly just went up.

 

[Pesmerga]

Saturos you are a ****ing disgrace to humanity, let alone this country.

 

[Saturos]

Saturos you are a ****ing disgrace to humanity, let alone this country.

If you say so. I really don't care what you think tbh.

Actions count, not words. Ever heard of sticks and stones?

EDIT> kiss my @$$ btw :>

 

[SIGbastard]

Why would us mighty intellectual Europeans say such a dumb American joe thing?.


Theres plenty good reason to hate Bush, namely a dumb war and dumb economic handling.

In fact I've yet to see him do anything that stands out as smart for the country.

The economy right now has just as much if not more to do with the democrats as it has Bush/republicans. They have controlled congress for the last two years now and congress has more control over the economy than the president. That and the Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac crisis is IMHO mostly the result of dems because the republicans have wanted more regulation on these programs for years, but were always strongly opposed. They were accused of wanting to take away "the poor mans bargaining chip." Bush wanted more oversight over these programs and pushed the issue in 2004 , but dems have always said there is nothing wrong. The economy has grown quite a bit since Bush got into office with unemployment reaching record lows. We went into a recession before Bush got into office and the evil Bush tax cuts kick started the economy out of the recession.

Our deficits are high but that is normal when a country is at war. Our economy has taken a hit but that does not equate to it's all Bushes fault because he is in office.

 

[Krynn72]

If you say so. I really don't care what you think tbh.

Actions count, not words. Ever heard of sticks and stones?

EDIT> kiss my @$$ btw :>

He would punch you through the internet if it were possible. I'd say that counts.


Lets all think of Saturos as the US. He doesnt care what anybody thinks of him, so nobody really likes him, so time here at this forum is worsened for it. His views are bigoted and racist, ignorant and arrogant, hurtful, harmful and a detriment to humankind. But he will not change his ways because he doesnt care what people say about him or his ideas. Ultimately it will lead to a life unfulfilled with only a legacy of declining morality and values, and will be all a struggle in vein to be "true to himself" never realizing the pain he is causing to the world around him.


Yep I think that portrays the USA quite well. Way to be representative of the United States' major failures as a nation Saturos!

 

[VirusType2]

We went into a recession before Bush got into office and the evil Bush tax cuts kick started the economy out of the recession.

What? We are headed for a recession at the moment. It is almost inevitable at this point.

In fact:

Parts of the United States, struggling with high jobless rates, seem to be in recession

Nearly three-quarters of all Americans think the economy is in a recession, according to a national poll released Monday.

U.S. undoubtedly in recession: Jim Rogers | Reuters

BTW when Clinton was in office, he completely reversed George Bush Sr.'s record deficit

After eight years, the results of President Clinton’s economic leadership are clear. Record budget deficits have become record surpluses, 22 million new ...

 

[Saturos]

He would punch you through the internet if it were possible. I'd say that counts.


Lets all think of Saturos as the US. He doesnt care what anybody thinks of him, so nobody really likes him, so time here at this forum is worsened for it. His views are bigoted and racist, ignorant and arrogant, hurtful, harmful and a detriment to humankind. But he will not change his ways because he doesnt care what people say about him or his ideas. Ultimately it will lead to a life unfulfilled with only a legacy of declining morality and values, and will be all a struggle in vein to be "true to himself" never realizing the pain he is causing to the world around it.


Yep I think that portrays the USA quite well. Way to be representative of the United States' major failures as a nation Saturos!

Ok, so I'm not a very good politician. Too blunt.

Well, neither are those currently in office either for that matter, except that most of them have honed the lying part down pretty well to a tee.
On second thought, what we really need for president right now is a leader, not just another vote-whoring politician.

BTW, I'm not a racist or a bigot. Quit throwing that up all over these forums like digital vomit every time I post. I do not deserve to be incorrectly labeled here just because you do not know and understand the proper meaning and usage of the words "racism" or "bigotry". Capice?

 

[Laivasse]

@some people particularly SIG:

It's important not to get this backward. It's not that people from overseas criticise America because they want to control your opinions. It's more that they're seeking a reassurance that you can see the flaws in your country too and that you sympathise with taking measures to deal with stuff like: irresponsible economic handling, inflammatory foreign policy stance, unilateral attitude, negative and sensationalist yah-boo politics (and media), excessive influence of religion upon the political sphere, etc etc. I don't think that people on the whole are saying 'YOU SHOULD DO WHAT WE SAY BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO BE NICE TO US,' more like 'OMG THINGS ARE INSANE OVER THERE, SURELY YOU CAN SEE IT TOO?'

And this gets said a lot because I think non-Americans tend to be incredulous that so many Americans really can't see the flaws in the way things are being done. Plus there's the fact that when America hasn't got its shit together it messes things up for everyone around the globe. IMO if most Americans came across more like weary cynics - with an attitude like 'we know it sucks, we'd do something about it if we could...' - then it would provoke less of the outraged squawking that you get from the global community. But instead of that, all too often the reaction of Americans is patent nonsense like 'WTF do you know, you're not American,' or 'Why should we listen to socialist commie marxist liberals like you?' Stuff that any concerned person with half a brain doesn't want to hear, and exactly what anyone with half a brain shouldn't ever say.

 

[Krynn72]

all too often the reaction of Americans is patent nonsense like 'WTF do you know, you're not American,' or 'Why should we listen to socialist commie marxist liberals like you?' Stuff that any concerned person with half a brain doesn't want to hear, and exactly what anyone with half a brain shouldn't ever say.

Those are only the republicans. The democrats are usually more like "whats going on? Oh... whatever nothing I can do about it."

BTW, I'm not a racist or a bigot. Quit throwing that up all over the forums like digital vomit every time I post.

Yes you are.

BTW when Clinton was in office, he completely reversed George Bush Sr.'s deficit

Actually, he took Bush's deficit and not only got us out of it, but we ended with a surplus. Which then Bush Jr. destroyed and brought us into an even bigger debt than Sr. did.


EDIT: Look at this chart

http://www.lafn.org/gvdc/Natl_Debt_Chart-2004.gif
and
http://ohmygov.com/blogs/general_news/federal-surplus-and-deficit.gif

 

[Laivasse]

Those are only the republicans. The democrats are usually more like "whats going on? Oh... whatever nothing I can do about it."

Yeah, I toyed with putting that qualifier in there, and have said as much in the past. The problem is that if you start appearing too critical of Republicans alone, you tend to get immediately dismissed as part of the Global Conspiracy Against The Right.

 

[Krynn72]

It also means you're un-American too. McCain and Palin said so!

 

[Laivasse]

Even more so if you're not from one of the pro-America parts of America.

 

[Pesmerga]

Pretty charts. Ooooh, ahhh.

 

[Jintor]

BTW, I'm not a racist or a bigot. Quit throwing that up all over these forums like digital vomit every time I post. I do not deserve to be incorrectly labeled here just because you do not know and understand the proper meaning and usage of the words "racism" or "bigotry". Capice?

That's right, you're just a homophobic. My mistake.

By the way, Pro-America is real America. Just saying.

 

[Eejit]

I'm sorry but I don't care what a muslim extremist thinks, because it honestly doesn't matter what we do they will hate us either way. Unless the US adopts Islam as a national relgion I think we will be the target of attacks like that, and for anyone to suggest otherwise needs to have their head examined.

Your argument doesn't hold much merit though because countries that are more "Islam friendly" like Spain have been attacked numerous times as well.

Your government created it's own monsters. It helped the Taliban, it trained al'Quaeda. It made the middle-east hate it by it's intensely biased attitude towards Israel and the Palistinians.

You foreign policy ****s somewhere up, washes it's hands, ignores them for 20 years and then you become alarmed when someone from the region attacks your country.

Pay ****ing attention you insular inbred hicks.



Also when will the retards in power in your country finally learn that the more indiscriminate you are in combating dangerous extremists, the more dangerous extremists you shall create.
Invading a country counts as indiscriminate btw.

The idiocies of US foreign policy would be lolworthy if it wasn't so depressing.

 

[Saturos]

It made the middle-east hate it by it's intensely biased attitude towards Israel and the Palistinians.

I've heard some people say Israel practically owns the U.S.

Not surprisingly, much of the US's military technology (namely guided missles and ICBMs) was developed by Israelis.

The whole war between the Palistinians and Israel has been going on for hundreds of years. It'll never end. The thing about this war I fear most is that it'll never get resolved and the US'll be battling the mid-east till the end of time.