Anti-SUV

[ALEXDJ]

Switching from an average new car to a 13 mpg SUV for a year would waste more energy than leaving a refrigerator door open for six years, a bathroom light burning for 30 years, or a color TV turned on for 28 years.

SUVs spew out 43 percent more global-warming pollutants - 28 pounds of carbon dioxide per gallon of gas consumed - and 47 percent more air pollution than the average car, using 1 million barrels of oil a day.

from the EPA: In the United States, approximately 6.6 tons (almost 15,000 pounds carbon equivalent) of greenhouse gases are emitted per person every year. And emissions per person have increased about 3.4% between 1990 and 1997. Most of these emissions, about 82%, are from burning fossil fuels to generate electricity and power our cars. The remaining emissions are from methane, from wastes in our landfills, raising livestock, natural gas pipelines, and coal, as well as from industrial chemicals and other sources.

read more http://www.suvsuck.org/

 

[Pressure]

I agree, there is no reason anyone needs an SUV.

 

[Feath]

Does this belong in a politics forum?

 

[ALEXDJ]

see, econmony met the need for demending products and now they are just trying sell things we dont need, but they make us want it, cause it's sooo "cool" to have them, not only SUVs

 

[el Chi]

I think you should prove eligibility, ie: You should need a license to own an SUV. For instance, you live in the suburbs of London? You need no SUV/Jeep/mini-tank/whatever. You live on a farm on the outskirts of the middle of nowhere? You may own one. You own one property in the city and one in the country? You might get away with owning an SUV, but you can't keep it in the city.

 

[ALEXDJ]

suv, isn't even that useful, they get stuck too, and most of them a too luxrous to trasport stuff around, in US SUV is a sign of "coolness" and money, nothing but that, no body take it to the "great outdoors"

trucks on the other hand is different deal

 

[short recoil]

Well put the emmisions/fuel aside, i hate mothers driving round in big SUV's (might not be case in america but it certainly is here)
The mother comes and picks up her kids from playschool in a massive toyota or vauxhall 4x4, completely overpowered vehicle for the task (they never even see a mud track) and then the women drivers in it (sorry any girls on the forum)
Can't control the vehicle properly, ride the clutch.......drive into another car without even realising.

 

[ALEXDJ]

Well put the emmisions/fuel aside, i hate mothers driving round in big SUV's (might not be case in america but it certainly is here)
The mother comes and picks up her kids from playschool in a massive toyota or vauxhall 4x4, completely overpowered vehicle for the task (they never even see a mud track) and then the women drivers in it (sorry any girls on the forum)
Can't control the vehicle properly, ride the clutch.......drive into another car without even realising.

there are defently more female suv drivers than man (here in US), i think it helps their selfesteem, and make them feel more powerful or "higher"

 

[Bodacious]

What about stuff like this?

My Truck


So, AlexDJ, what do you think about the prisoners at Guantanimo bay, cuba?

Why is that question relevant you ask?

Simple, if your answer is that we are mistreating the priosners then that illustrates your hipocrisy. On one hand you don't mind affording non citzens some civil liberties but on the other hand, if you had your way, you would take a tax paying citizen's rights away just because it fits your political agenda. Transparent? I think so.

 

[CptStern]

:upstare: holy shit where do you come up with such nonsense?


btw judging from your "car" ..you're part of the problem ..I could probably drive a month on what you spend in a week ...and i have 2 cars

 

[ALEXDJ]

What about stuff like this?

My Truck


So, AlexDJ, what do you think about the prisoners at Guantanimo bay, cuba?

Why is that question relevant you ask?

Simple, if your answer is that we are mistreating the priosners then that illustrates your hipocrisy. On one hand you don't mind affording non citzens some civil liberties but on the other hand, if you had your way, you would take a tax paying citizen's rights away just because it fits your political agenda. Transparent? I think so.

what the hell are u talking about? i have no political agenda, i don't belong to any party, i'm just against the bullshit that the greedy-money-lovers feed us

 

[ALEXDJ]

:upstare: holy shit where do you come up with such nonsense?


btw judging from your "car" ..you're part of the problem ..I could probably drive a month on what you spend in a week ...and i have 2 cars

who are you talking to?

 

[short recoil]

What about stuff like this?

My Truck


So, AlexDJ, what do you think about the prisoners at Guantanimo bay, cuba?

Why is that question relevant you ask?

Simple, if your answer is that we are mistreating the priosners then that illustrates your hipocrisy. On one hand you don't mind affording non citzens some civil liberties but on the other hand, if you had your way, you would take a tax paying citizen's rights away just because it fits your political agenda. Transparent? I think so.

Is it me or have you gone completely off on one?
What has that got to do with the thread, other than saying sometihng to alex (should go in a PM) .......anyway that is a nice vehicle, but it does drink the fuel tbh

 

[Bodacious]

What nonsense? People wanting to restrict other's rights is nonsense. Don't try and call me out either. You won't see me following party lines saying gays shouldn't marry or anything like that.

Assumption is the mother of al **** ups, stern.

That is not my daily driver. I drive a cadillac.

 

[Bodacious]

what the hell are u talking about? i have no political agenda, i don't belong to any party, i'm just against the bullshit that the greedy-money-lovers feed us

Answer the question then, if you dont' have an agenda. What do you think about the treatment of the prisoners at Guantanimo bay, cuba?

You are all about removing people's rights, talking about how this place is so terrible, guns, abortions, SUVs, what next?

I might not agree with abortion, personally, but as of today it is a constitutionally protected right, along with guns, and the right to pursue happiness. I am happy with my truck and I ma sure eveyone who owns an SUV is happy with it. Owning that SUV, as of today is our constitutionally protected right.

I am not saying your opinion is any less valuable, but if you hate this place so much, why don't you leave?

Your agenda is clear, I just want to point that out.

 

[MuToiD_MaN]

Since when did SUV bashing turn into Guantanamo Bay? You're out of line.

Anyway, I live in the suburbs and have no reason to own anything other than a small, fuel-efficient coupe or sedan (no hauling, towing, off-road driving, etc). I'm sure Bodacious living out in the boondocks might find use for his compensate-o-matic, but not me. And I'm sure all those people driving Expeditions and H2's aren't going to use em either.

It is altruistic to think that people could be made to buy only what they need, particularly in the developed countries in the world, but I hope none of those behemoth drivers come crying to me when gas prices hit $4 and $5 a gallon.

 

[CptStern]

What nonsense? People wanting to restrict other's rights is nonsense. Don't try and call me out either. You won't see me following party lines saying gays shouldn't marry or anything like that.

Assumption is the mother of al **** ups, stern.

That is not my daily driver. I drive a cadillac.

what rights? the right to drive a boat on wheels? how is that a right? Hmmmmmm *quickly thumbs through "the big book of humanitarian issues" * ...nope, cant find the basic human right to own a "gaz guzzling behemoth" ....maybe my copy isnt as updated as yours :E

 

[el Chi]

Is it me or have you gone completely off on one?

No, it's not just you; he went off on one.
I mean, I see what he was getting at, sort of, but his logic train seemed a bit skewed on arrival.

The thing with SUVs is that they aren't usually necessary, and restricting ownership would help the environment and thus the world.
Detaining prisoners indefinitely and without trial and subjecting them to torture because they may be terrorists is completely different.
This had nothing to do with the war on terror or US foreign policy whatsoever, but you couldn't keep away, could you.

The irony is, of course, that you always claim to be logically superior to almost everyone on these boards, yet you come up with some real bollocks sometimes, and act as if we ought to treat it was gospel.

 

[ALEXDJ]

What do you think about the treatment of the prisoners at Guantanimo bay, cuba?.

i think those people have rights too.

You are all about removing people's rights, talking about how this place is so terrible, guns, abortions, SUVs, what next? .

Are you assuming that if i think that guns are dangerus, abortions is a murder, and SUV are nothing but a big toy that ruins this planet for everybody, that means that i want to remove "people's rights"? Not all, but the once that i harmful to themselves. U wouldn't make it a right to sell dope, would you? That's my point.

I might not agree with abortion, personally, but as of today it is a constitutionally protected right, along with guns, and the right to pursue happiness. I am happy with my truck and I ma sure eveyone who owns an SUV is happy with it. .

I am glad that they are happy with their SUV, but their childrent and grandchildrend will not be so happy.

 

[MuToiD_MaN]

I guess we all fell for the guy trolling for flames.

 

[ALEXDJ]

SUVs killed my father and raped my mother

 

[firemachine69]

SUVs have their uses. Soccer moms sure as hell aren't one of them!

 

[ALEXDJ]

SUVs have their uses. Soccer moms sure as hell aren't one of them!

what's the use?

 

[Exedus]

SUVs have their uses. Soccer moms sure as hell aren't one of them!

Roger that! Nothing makes me angrier than seeing some fat slob driving his H2 down the road in middle of the city. I live in Calgary, Canada. Oil and gas country up here, and that means overpaid underworked oil execs who drive huge vehicles for no good reason.

 

[firemachine69]

tactical units (e.g. both SWAT and our canadian JTF2 as examples)
VIP security
certain peace officers
people with an actual need for an SUV (which 90% of people who have one don't belong in)



Keep in mind, a RAV4 uses less gas then a previously mentioned Lincoln. That was a little hypocritical, considering that car uses a gas guzzling V8, as opposed to an efficient 4 cylinder / V6. Bad example.

 

[ALEXDJ]

tactical units (e.g. both SWAT and our canadian JTF2 as examples)
VIP security
certain peace officers
people with an actual need for an SUV (which 90% of people who have one don't belong in)



Keep in mind, a RAV4 uses less gas then a previously mentioned Lincoln. That was a little hypocritical, considering that car uses a gas guzzling V8, as opposed to an efficient 4 cylinder / V6. Bad example.

yeah, just like only millitary needs to have guns

 

[Bodacious]

what rights? the right to drive a boat on wheels? how is that a right? Hmmmmmm *quickly thumbs through "the big book of humanitarian issues" * ...nope, cant find the basic human right to own a "gaz guzzling behemoth" ....maybe my copy isnt as updated as yours :E

The pursuit of happiness isn't a right?

 

[Bodacious]

No, it's not just you; he went off on one.
I mean, I see what he was getting at, sort of, but his logic train seemed a bit skewed on arrival.

The thing with SUVs is that they aren't usually necessary, and restricting ownership would help the environment and thus the world.
Detaining prisoners indefinitely and without trial and subjecting them to torture because they may be terrorists is completely different.
This had nothing to do with the war on terror or US foreign policy whatsoever, but you couldn't keep away, could you.

The irony is, of course, that you always claim to be logically superior to almost everyone on these boards, yet you come up with some real bollocks sometimes, and act as if we ought to treat it was gospel.

1. Why should foreigners be given the same rights as a tax paying citizen? They shouldn't. Military tribunals are just fine for suspected terrorists. My point: Why advocate giving non citizen's constitutional rights and then turn around and wish to take away a legal citizen's constitutional rights? It is hypocrisy.


2. Where have I once claimed to be logically superior? I defy you to find a post of mine saying that.

Remember what I said to stern, assumption is the mother of all **** ups.

 

[CptStern]

The pursuit of happiness isn't a right?

that's a stretch


hmmmm SUV = happiness? wow, and to think all those starving poor in the world, all they need is an SUV to be happy.

"Hey Mabuto I havent eaten in 3 weeks but I'm happy cuz I just bought a Ford Behemoth"

 

[Bodacious]

i think those people have rights too.


Are you assuming that if i think that guns are dangerus, abortions is a murder, and SUV are nothing but a big toy that ruins this planet for everybody, that means that i want to remove "people's rights"? Not all, but the once that i harmful to themselves. U wouldn't make it a right to sell dope, would you? That's my point.


I am glad that they are happy with their SUV, but their childrent and grandchildrend will not be so happy.

Who are you, as an individual, to decide what is best for the people as a whole? The last person who tried to do that was Hitler. That idea, in it's simplest form, is called Fascism.

So I guess labeling you a Fascist wouldn't be far off, would it?

 

[Bodacious]

that's a stretch


hmmmm SUV = happiness? wow, and to think all those starving poor in the world, all they need is an SUV to be happy.

"Hey Mabuto I havent eaten in 3 weeks but I'm happy cuz I just bought a Ford Behemoth"

Answer my question, the pursuit of happiness is a right, is it not?

 

[CptStern]

Remember what I said to stern, assumption is the mother of all **** ups.

wow! what would you consider this:


"We have sources that tell us that Saddam Hussein recently authorized Iraqi field commanders to use chemical weapons -- the very weapons the dictator tells us he does not have.

George Bush February 8, 2003"


"assumption is the great great great grandmother of all **** ups"?

 

[CptStern]

Answer my question, the pursuit of happiness is a right, is it not?

:upstare: so you support same sex marriage, the right to smoke pot, the right in kill indiscrimately? everyone of those things could be construed as "happiness"


oh and you're infringing on my right to enjoy the road without having some behemoth obstruct my view


btw stop trampling on my right to the "pursuit of happiness" by quoting me (I get all pouty and sad when someone quotes me). Hey! you just looked in my general direction! YOU'RE INFRINGING ON MY RIGHT TO "a pursuit of Happiness"

 

[Razor]

wow! what would you consider this:


"We have sources that tell us that Saddam Hussein recently authorized Iraqi field commanders to use chemical weapons -- the very weapons the dictator tells us he does not have.

George Bush February 8, 2003"


"assumption is the great great great grandmother of all **** ups"?

Mr Stern, you are just as bad as Bodacious when it comes to off topic. Edit your thread to say ""We have sources that tell us that Saddam Hussein recently authorized Iraqi field commanders to use SUVs -- the very SUVS the dictator tells us he does not have." or take it in one of the huge number of Iraq war threads.

As for my opinion on SUVs, i think they are good if you are going to use them to go off road or use them to transport your large family, but for a mother to drive 1 mile for the school to pick up/drop off their single child is...odd.

 

[Exedus]

:upstare: so you support same sex marriage, the right to smoke pot, the right in kill indiscrimately? everyone of those things could be construed as "happiness"


oh and you're infringing on my right to enjoy the road without having some behemoth obstruct my view


btw stop trampling on my right to the "pursuit of happiness" by quoting me (I get all pouty and sad when someone quotes me). Hey! you just looked in my general direction! YOU'RE INFRINGING ON MY RIGHT TO "a pursuit of Happiness"

ROFL!!!

 

[CptStern]

Mr Stern, you are just as bad as Bodacious....

Mr?!? Only jehovah's witnesses, police officers and little kids call me MISTER!!! You're infringing on my right to feel youthful!!! It's a clear and deliberate attack on my right to "pursuit of happiness"!!! cease and desist! or face being run down by my SUV!!

 

[Bodacious]

Whatever, I am not going to bother anymore.

 

[jondy]

Bodacious, this isn't about anything but common sense versus stupidity. Just because people can drive fat, fuel guzzling, roadhogging monstrosities of cars in suburban communities doesn't make it right.

No one is taking away peoples' right to do ****ing stupid stuff. But people do have a right to make other people see that what they're doing is indeed ****ing stupid.

Understand? Now enough of the topic derailing, it's a pisstake.

 

[gh0st]

Haha stern you are on a roll.

Hopefully my car isnt contributing to the global pollution epidemic.

Gonna drive my kids to soccer now! VROOOMMM!!

 

[ALEXDJ]

1. Why should foreigners be given the same rights as a tax paying citizen? They shouldn't. .

what? you don't think that all humans have rights or (should have)?

i don't know what to call you than