Anti-SUV

[Bodacious]

Actually, we have a bunch of individuals (about whom we know very little) that we pay to determine what is best for the people as a whole. They're called the legislative, judicial, and executive branches of the government. You see, their whole lives revolve around making, interpreting, and carrying out decisions that change the lives of everyone in the country (and, to an extent, the world). Luckily, they have to get their decisions approved by the rest of the people... but if you throw enough money at them that isn't hard. :E

Once they gather together they are a group, no longer individuals.

You can't smoke in a restaurant. You can't buy or consume alcohol under the age of 21. You can't wear a strapless gown if you are a man or have sex with a porcupine in some parts of Florida. A recently passed anticrime law in Texas requires criminals to give their victims 24 hours notice, either orally or in writing, and to explain the nature of the crime to be committed...

... and most related to the subject, driving is not a right in the United States of America. It is a restricted priviledge. You can only drive certain vehicles that fall under the category of "street legal." Also, just having a regular passenger vehicle license does not give you the right to own and/or drive any wheeled vehicle. For example, here are the various licenses available in Florida:

Personally, I think the weight limit of the Class E license and the ability to drive RVs without further training should be changed. Large vehicles like those handle a lot differently than the training involved in acquiring a Class E license... and when they aren't handled correctly they are very dangerous, especially to the drivers/passengers of other vehicles on the road.

As I said, within the limitations of the law.

 

[OCybrManO]

Once they gather together they are a group, no longer individuals.

Wait... I'm no longer an individual because I live in a city? I'm no longer an individual because I am a citizen of the United States of America? The President isn't an individual? You never cease to be an individual until you have no freedom. You are part of a group, but you are still an individual. They all make their own decisions... but a majority (in most cases) have to agree on the decision for anything to be done about it. In the executive and judicial branches the decisions are left to even smaller numbers of people. In the Supreme Court it goes down to 9 people. On the executive side, the President can veto a bill that has passed the approval of both the House and the Senate, decide to invade/attack a country (as long as it's something like a "police action" and not a "war"), pardon people, etc. That's a significant amount of power for an individual.

As I said, within the limitations of the law.

Before that you claimed that driving an SUV was a constitutional right (implying that they can't take away your "right" to drive an SUV merely by sending a bill through congress). It most certainly is not. I was showing that there is indeed a precedent that your "pursuit of happiness" does not override safety concerns (well, the strapless gown one was just funny)... including your own well-being. It's why recreational drugs are illegal (on the same grounds that suicide is illegal). It's why you're not allowed to punch someone that's pissing you off. It's why some states ban talking on cell phones (and similar activities) while driving.

"The right to swing my fist ends where the other man's nose begins."
-Oliver Wendell Holmes

 

[Bodacious]

Wait... I'm no longer an individual because I live in a city? I'm no longer an individual because I am a citizen of the United States of America? The President isn't an individual? You never cease to be an individual until you have no freedom. You are part of a group, but you are still an individual. They all make their own decisions... but a majority (in most cases) have to agree on the decision for anything to be done about it. In the executive and judicial branches the decisions are left to even smaller numbers of people. In the Supreme Court it goes down to 9 people. On the executive side, the President can veto a bill that has passed the approval of both the House and the Senate, decide to invade/attack a country (as long as it's something like a "police action" and not a "war"), pardon people, etc. That's a significant amount of power for an individual.

You are reading too far into what I meant.

Before that you claimed that driving an SUV was a constitutional right (implying that they can't take away your "right" to drive an SUV merely by sending a bill through congress). It most certainly is not. I was showing that there is indeed a precedent that your "pursuit of happiness" does not override safety concerns (well, the strapless gown one was just funny)... including your own well-being. It's why recreational drugs are illegal (on the same grounds that suicide is illegal). It's why you're not allowed to punch someone that's pissing you off. It's why some states ban talking on cell phones (and similar activities) while driving.

"The right to swing my fist ends where the other man's nose begins."
-Oliver Wendell Holmes

Same here. I am not going to wast my time with you making a mountain out of a mole hill and misocnsruing my intent.

 

[OCybrManO]

You are reading too far into what I meant.

I'll grant you the fact that I read too far into the first one... but I did it for a reason. You drag up things other people say and use them out of context or take their opinion and stetch it to the extreme to try to make them seem like a nut job.

Same here. I am not going to wast my time with you making a mountain out of a mole hill and misocnsruing my intent.

Don't try to get all indignant about someone calling you out on a mistake that you've been repeating throughout the whole thread. If it's not what you meant, why don't you rephrase your opinion? All I know is what you say, not what you mean... and I'm not going to assume you meant something other than you said. If you don't mean what you say... by all means, correct yourself. Just don't get pissed off about people misinterpreting what you meant to say when you've been trying to drag the thread off-topic and down to mere name-calling by saying shit like this:

So, AlexDJ, what do you think about the prisoners at Guantanimo bay, cuba?

Why is that question relevant you ask?

Simple, if your answer is that we are mistreating the priosners then that illustrates your hipocrisy. On one hand you don't mind affording non citzens some civil liberties but on the other hand, if you had your way, you would take a tax paying citizen's rights away just because it fits your political agenda. Transparent? I think so.

... and this:

The last person who tried to do that was Hitler. That idea, in it's simplest form, is called Fascism.

So I guess labeling you a Fascist wouldn't be far off, would it?

... followed by frustration and a lie:

Whatever, I am not going to bother anymore.

It's like arguing with a child. They keep repeating themselves, get flustered, and storm off.

 

[Sainku]

Anyone driving an SUV now is either rich or has found an alternative fuel source. Gas prices are just to high now. That is why they are all on sale.

 

[firemachine69]

yeah, just like only millitary needs to have guns

If you haven't noticed, the military is comprised of humans, like me and you.

*shocker*

 

[AzzMan]

Never was a fan of truck/suv's, always felt like they were gonna flip over if i turned too sharply =/

 

[ALEXDJ]

If you haven't noticed, the military is comprised of humans, like me and you.

well, duh, but they are getting paid for protecting the civilians, just like the police

they have millitary training, and that's what seperats them form the rest of the country

please, don't make silly comments

 

[iyfyoufhl]

ok, so we all agree that SUVs are pointless waste of natural resources and we should outlaw them?
by the way,did you hear how GM resently lost couple billions because their SUV wouldn't sell
also, they rejected hybrid technology saying that it wouldn't be a smart bussiness stratagy and Toyota now has it patened to their name

 

[superjuanchango]

I agree, there is no reason anyone needs an SUV.

Since when did SUV bashing turn into Guantanamo Bay? You're out of line.

Anyway, I live in the suburbs and have no reason to own anything other than a small, fuel-efficient coupe or sedan (no hauling, towing, off-road driving, etc). I'm sure Bodacious living out in the boondocks might find use for his compensate-o-matic, but not me. And I'm sure all those people driving Expeditions and H2's aren't going to use em either.

It is altruistic to think that people could be made to buy only what they need, particularly in the developed countries in the world, but I hope none of those behemoth drivers come crying to me when gas prices hit $4 and $5 a gallon.

suv, isn't even that useful, they get stuck too, and most of them a too luxrous to trasport stuff around, in US SUV is a sign of "coolness" and money, nothing but that, no body take it to the "great outdoors"

trucks on the other hand is different deal

There are more, I feel no need to quote them. These posts are examples with one of my problems with many members of the left and the right. "I don't do X or have a need for X so no one does!" Just because you don't need to haul or tow doesn't mean no one else does. Just because it doesn't snow in whatever place you live doesn't mean it doesn’t anywhere else. If someone has the money to pay for their SUV and gasoline then by all means let them do what they want. Drive your hybrid two door speck and laugh at them when they drive by, guess what, they don't care.

 

[Direwolf]

ok, so we all agree that SUVs are pointless waste of natural resources and we should outlaw them?
by the way,did you hear how GM resently lost couple billions because their SUV wouldn't sell
also, they rejected hybrid technology saying that it wouldn't be a smart bussiness stratagy and Toyota now has it patened to their name

GM's got both sides of the coin though. While their SUV isn't selling as well, they make dozens of smaller cars that have picked up the slack. And Toyota has a patent on its own version of hybrid technology. No one car company owns it exclusively (several companie have hybrids on the market and in development right now).

 

[iyfyoufhl]

GM's got both sides of the coin though. While their SUV isn't selling as well, they make dozens of smaller cars that have picked up the slack. And Toyota has a patent on its own version of hybrid technology. No one car company owns it exclusively (several companie have hybrids on the market and in development right now).

i haven't heard anything about the smaller cars, but i am not deniying it, but i think GM still makes pretty shitty cars

 

[Direwolf]

GM makes: Buick, Cadillac, Chevrolet, GMC, Hummer, Oldsmobile, Pontiac, Saab, and Saturn.

Now unless those all suck or all make SUVs, then I'd say GM isn't in any trouble.

 

[trizzm]

well I guessed I learned something here.
believe it or not, to this day I was CONVINCED a SUV did stand for Sub Urban Vehicle.
note i'm not english, heh. never had made the connection with our véhicules utilitaires sport.

 

[Milkman]

I drive a 4-Door Impala, and the Family owns a Suburban, amazingly enough we actually use it's rediculous amount of cargo space often enough to justify its purchase.

True SUVs are what piss me off, many have less cargo room than a car (BMW X3, Mercedes M class, Lexus RX300, etc) and serve no other purpose than the smash into me with because of their huge blindspots.

 

[Cuddlez.ini]

I drive a 4-Door Impala, and the Family owns a Suburban, amazingly enough we actually use it's rediculous amount of cargo space often enough to justify its purchase.

True SUVs are what piss me off, many have less cargo room than a car (BMW X3, Mercedes M class, Lexus RX300, etc) and serve no other purpose than the smash into me with because of their huge blindspots.

Those aren't "True SUVs"! Golly most of you people must live in the city and not get out much...

Go to these forums and tell them they shouldn't own an "SUV" :

http://www.ih8mud.com/ <-- dedicated to the Toyota Land Cruiser
http://www.pirate4x4.com <-- Covers all kinds of Trucks and SUVs

Ever think that maybe some of those people with some of these vehicles do use those vehicles capabilities... just not everyday or everytime you see them? Because maybe when you see them you are not in a place that would need these vehicles capabilities to get to...?

There are more, I feel no need to quote them. These posts are examples with one of my problems with many members of the left and the right. "I don't do X or have a need for X so no one does!" Just because you don't need to haul or tow doesn't mean no one else does. Just because it doesn't snow in whatever place you live doesn't mean it doesn’t anywhere else. If someone has the money to pay for their SUV and gasoline then by all means let them do what they want. Drive your hybrid two door speck and laugh at them when they drive by, guess what, they don't care.

I couldn't say it any better.

 

[iyfyoufhl]

the people who need space in their car buy trucks

SUV drivers are either little middle age wifes, who like to feel superior (although they are dumb and inferior)
or men with small dicks