are people here that really uses drugs?

[<RJMC>]

ok I dont want to start a bad thread but

are people here that really use and defend drugs?

I never used drugs so I dont know how that feel

but I hav heard that drugs damage the brain and stuff like that so I dont want even to touch them

also if you involve whit drugs you go to jail right? cuz they are ilegal for some reazon right?also if you get involve whit drugs sure you will get involve whit crimilars

also I heard from the tv and some friends that know lots of stuff about the prices that the drugs hav and no way in hell I will pay that amount of money for something that is supossed to give me pleasure but kill me

also here I hav storyes of guys that introduce drugs on the drinks of girls in dicoteks and when the girls are druged they rape them

also people that die when drink combinations of alcohol and drugs

so who the hell will defend drugs?

and please dont make this into a flame wars please

 

[jmjneary]

i will not defend them i quit

as for the brain damage that is from hardcore addiction

 

[f|uke]

I quit too but I will defend certain drugs.

You simply cannot lump all drugs together. After all, nicotine, alcohol, and even caffeen are drugs.
Different drugs do different things, give you different highs, and effect the body in very different ways.

Some drugs can damage the brain. Some do not.

Weed does not damage the brain at all. I have already cited a study that demonstrates this, and would be happy to cite it again.

Maybe I should address some of your points.

but I hav heard that drugs damage the brain and stuff like that so I dont want even to touch them

As I said, some do, some do not.

also if you involve whit drugs you go to jail right?

They rarely send users to jail. Only dealers. And sure technically you are involved with "criminals", but some of these criminals can be very honest and friendly people.

also I heard from the tv and some friends that know lots of stuff about the prices that the drugs hav and no way in hell I will pay that amount of money for something that is supossed to give me pleasure but kill me

Yah. Dont do the drugs that can kill you. Who would defend that shit? Stay away from PCP, crack, coke, heroine and methanphedamines for sure.

also here I hav storyes of guys that introduce drugs on the drinks of girls in dicoteks and when the girls are druged they rape them

Yes,. 'mickeys' or barbituates. Generally not the same drugs people take for recreational use.

also people that die when drink combinations of alcohol and drugs

Alchohol is a drug. People can also die just by drinking alchohol. Certain combinations can be easily fatal, but weed and alchohol is pretty harmless.

so who the hell will defend drugs?

Anybody with an open mind and some common sense.

 

[Dan]

you're classifying a lot of stuff into one group here. Alcohol is a drug, caffeine is a drug, tylenol is a drug, nicotine is a drug, marijuana is a drug, exstacy is a drug, cocaine is a drug. You can't make broad statements that sweep everything.

Personally I put the ones that are very addictive or cause lots of health damage as drugs that I don't touch. AKA nicotine, coke, E, heroin, caffein too, although I just don't care much for coffee.

 

[lePobz]

There are different levels of drugs, they're all just substances that do different things to the body. Some are good, some are bad.

It's a very expansive word. I think drugs should be the name applied only to drugs that are addictive and have lasting negative side effects.

I think beneficial drugs should be called something else.

I use medicinal drugs, caffiene, alcohol (its a substance, is it a drug?) and all manner of that crap they add to food to make it last longer / taste nicer / etc. I guess we're all druggies.

I don't take illegal substances though. Had a couple of joints a long time ago at a mates house party, but that was just harmless fun. I never really saw what the big fuss is about. Harder drugs ruin lives, so i'd never even try crack, e, acid, etc.

 

[<RJMC>]

I was talking about the drugs that are ilegal and like that

 

[f|uke]

I was talking about the drugs that are ilegal and like that

You cannot even group together illegal drugs. They are still very different, have very different toxicity levels and effects on the body, and different kinds of highs.

Ultimatly this discussion will end up with half of us arguing how drugs like pot cant hurt you, while people like Razor or Raziaar will jump in and say how PCP can kill you.

And we're both right, so you really need to distinguish what youre talking about.

**oh, and the legality of a drug has nothing to do with how harmfull it is. Otherwise weed would be legal and alchohol/cigarettes would not.

 

[lePobz]

Any substance can kill you, even water. Should they make water illegal?

Seriously, I think they should just legalise everything, and let the gene pool clean itself.

 

[Dan]

I think you've had your question answered many times already in the numerous other polls and topics about marijuana use. Pot is classified as an illegal drug and YES MANY PEOPLE HERE REALLY DO USE AND DEFEND IT. Many people will also criticize it. Question answered. I don't know how you could possibly have missed the 10 topics discussing it.

 

[f|uke]

Was that it? End of discussion?

I wonder if RJ even really realized/realises that weed and PCP, while both "illegal drugs", are very different animals. Its that black or white mentality that gives weed a bad name.

Anyone familiar with pot knows its not really so bad,. the worst it will do is destroy your ambition after weeks or months of constant use., and yet it is not physically addictive or harmfull to the brain, and after you quit, its effects dissapear.

This would be a far more interesting discussion if he picked out some edgy drugs to debate, but RJ clearly isnt familar with the subject material.

 

[bliink]

I only just had to close a remarkably similar thread because of mass flaming.

Theres nothing wrong with a bit of passion, but I really don't want another repeat of earlier thanks, so keep it clean everyone.

 

[<RJMC>]

I think I got my answer

good luck whit the poisoing

 

[f|uke]

I think I got my answer

good luck whit the poisoing

I've already made it quite clear that Marijuana is not harmfull. Good luck with the ignorance. :thumbs:

 

[Hercules331]

RJMC, there are many people that defend illegal drugs but that does not mean it is right. There is no way to defend something that is illegal, the people who do that should move somewhere where it is not illegal because then their immorality will be defendable. In a country where drugs are illegal- defending them is immoral and those people need to learn to obey the laws.

 

[Dasparov]

Coffee is probably my most favourite

I've already made it quite clear that Marijuana is not harmfull. Good luck with the ignorance. :thumbs:

...yes it is!

 

[f|uke]

There is no way to defend something that is illegal

Herc, if you knew why Marijuana was illegal (as it was discussed in the recent pot thread), you'd know the reasons for it being illegal are immoral.

the people who do that should move somewhere where it is not illegal because then their immorality will be defendable.

Dont you mean they would not be immoral? Irrelivant: Legality does not define morality. But hey, I live in California, where medical marijuana is allowed and accepted, so I guess I have the right to defend it by your standards.

 

[Raziaar]

Drugs make your genitalia or breasts shrink! :E

Herc, if you knew why Marijuana was illegal (as it was discussed in the recent pot thread), you'd know the reasons for it being illegal are immoral.

The reason its illegal here in the states is because the government views it as dangerous for the individuals who use it, as well as for the populace as a whole. And hey... I agree with them on this.

 

[Hercules331]

If you use it for reasons other then medicinal then that is illegal and you can defend it all you want but it is still against the law and not the right thing to do. Integrity is the noblest possesion, that means doing what is right morally and legally. So Fluke, please explain to me why you can defend something that is illegal?

 

[Raziaar]

If you use it for reasons other then medicinal then that is illegal and you can defend it all you want but it is still against the law and not the right thing to do. Integrity is the noblest possesion, that means doing what is right morally and legally. So Fluke, please explain to me why you can defend something that is illegal?

Cause it makes him feel guuuuuuud.

 

[Hercules331]

^^^ Lol yeah I know thats the reason, I just hate all these stoners that try to defend their shit when they should just be like "yeah i know its wrong and I shouldnt do it but hey, i dont care, i just wanna get high" The stoners that do that, I have no problem with, I mean sure i dont aprove of what they do but its all these ones that try to defend themselves and get respect that really piss me off.

 

[R@mmstien]

I dont do drugs but i cant say all of them destroy ur brain. Most mild stuff like pot just makes u feel lazy. Sometimes people lie to get u not to do drugs

 

[<RJMC>]

I've already made it quite clear that Marijuana is not harmfull. Good luck with the ignorance. :thumbs:

OMG someone dont agreed whit me he is a ignorant(<---btw this was sarcasm if you didnt get it)

sure you think I am idiot just cuz I dont smoke it,keep your "intelligence" to your self

 

[Hercules331]

It does not matter whether they destroy ur brain or not. If theyre illegal then they are illegal, kids need to learn to follow f*cking rules these days. Its all the parents' fault.

 

[Dalamari]

Dude, I totally got tripped out on the A-side man, then I went to London to jam with the Stones man....

btw, I don't do drugs, mmmkay.

 

[Sai]

OMG someone dont agreed whit me he is a ignorant(<---btw this was sarcasm if you didnt get it)

sure you think I am idiot just cuz I dont smoke it,keep your "intelligence" to your self

Sorry fluke, but i thought that was a pretty badass response, and he's got the point of you shouldn't label people like that, i mean he never called you a pot head, hippie, or any other deragatory term so don't you think your being a bit to overly-defensive?

 

[The Mullinator]

If you use it for reasons other then medicinal then that is illegal and you can defend it all you want but it is still against the law and not the right thing to do. Integrity is the noblest possesion, that means doing what is right morally and legally. So Fluke, please explain to me why you can defend something that is illegal?

Whats right and what is legal are completely different things. Just because something is illegal doesn't make it wrong, and just because something is legal doesn't make it right.

The debate is whether it is right or not, the debate is whether the law is right or not.

Personally I say the law isn't right. Just read up on the history as to why it was banned and then do a search for scientific studies on the drug. It was banned due to faulty science, outragious claims, and a certain degree of corruption.

 

[<RJMC>]

Sorry fluke, but i thought that was a pretty badass response, and he's got the point of you shouldn't label people like that, i mean he never called you a pot head, hippie, or any other deragatory term so don't you think your being a bit to overly-defensive?

you are right I never say that people that uses drugs are idiots or things like that,but still I dont like they

 

[willyd]

So by your logic, it was immoral for Rosa Parks to refuse to move to the back of the bus because it was illegal and she needs to follow the rules.

Just because its the law doesn't mean the law is right. Laws are made by human beings.

edit: thats directed to hercules post that kids should follow the rules.

 

[Ekinflog]

synergy

 

[f|uke]

God damnit. Why do you guys gotta make me dig all this shit up when we just debated this a few days ago.

Drugs make your genitalia or breasts shrink! :E

Yeah, riiiiight. You back that one up with a study.

The reason its illegal here in the states is because the government views it as dangerous for the individuals who use it, as well as for the populace as a whole. And hey... I agree with them on this.

You dont know what youre talking about. I already posted this, but here it goes again.
THIS IS WHY POT IS ILLEGAL:

In the early 1900s, the western states developed significant tensions regarding the influx of Mexican-Americans. [..] Then, the depression came and increased tensions, as jobs and welfare resources became scarce.

One of the "differences" seized upon during this time was the fact that many Mexicans smoked marijuana and had brought the plant with them.

However, the first state law outlawing marijuana did so not because of Mexicans using the drug. Oddly enough, it was because of Mormons using it. Mormons who traveled to Mexico in 1910 came back to Salt Lake City with marijuana. The church was not pleased and ruled against use of the drug. Since the state of Utah automatically enshrined church doctrine into law, the first state marijuana prohibition was established in 1915.

Other states quickly followed suit with marijuana prohibition laws [...] These laws tended to be specifically targeted against the Mexican-American population.

When Montana outlawed marijuana in 1927, the Butte Montana Standard reported a legislator's comment: "When some beet field peon takes a few traces of this stuff... he thinks he has just been elected president of Mexico, so he starts out to execute all his political enemies." In Texas, a senator said on the floor of the Senate: "All Mexicans are crazy, and this stuff [marijuana] is what makes them crazy."

THAT is why pot is illegal. Absinthe also mentioned another one of the Governments arguments:

Marihuana influences Negroes to look at white people in the eye, step on white men's shadows and look at a white woman twice.

It has nothing to do with health. It was RACISM that made pot illegal. If it had to do with health, tell me why cigarettes are still legal!

OMG someone dont agreed whit me he is a ignorant(<---btw this was sarcasm if you didnt get it)

sure you think I am idiot just cuz I dont smoke it,keep your "intelligence" to your self

Its not a matter of opinion. You said weed is poison. But it is not. If you want to debate, you have to be open to the facts. Otherwise youre just being an ignorant loudmouth.

If you use it for reasons other then medicinal then that is illegal and you can defend it all you want but it is still against the law and not the right thing to do. Integrity is the noblest possesion, that means doing what is right morally and legally. So Fluke, please explain to me why you can defend something that is illegal?

The laws of man do not always agree with the laws of God or ones integrity. I can defend it because it simply should not be illegal. Laws change. Eventually this one will too.
Remember, it was once illegal for blacks to marry whites or for women to vote. Was it immorral for blacks or women to fight for equal rights? Did Martin Luther King not have integrity?
High five for Willyd

Cause it makes him feel guuuuuuud.

I've said it before. I dont smoke pot. (And what exactly do you have against feeling good?)

It does not matter whether they destroy ur brain or not. If theyre illegal then they are illegal, kids need to learn to follow f*cking rules these days. Its all the parents' fault.

What about us grown adults who can think for ourselves?

And that stuff may be why it WAS outlawed back then, but certainly isn't why its outlawed today. You'd be fooling yourself to think otherwise.

Go on, go on say it... I want to hear you say it, "The United States Government is still outlawing marijuana because they're racists"

Its outlawed today because of ignorance, religion, and the status quo. It is outlawed because it has been outlawed, and that makes people like you and Herc automatically assume that its evil. Again, if it were a health concern, why are cigs legal?

 

[Raziaar]

Yeah, riiiiight. You back that one up with a study.

What I said wasn't meant to be taken seriously.

I dont smoke pot.

And Neither was the other thing this is in response to.


And that stuff may be why it WAS outlawed back then, but certainly isn't why its outlawed today. You'd be fooling yourself to think otherwise.

Go on, go on say it... I want to hear you say it, "The United States Government is still outlawing marijuana because they're racists"

 

[<RJMC>]

God damnit. Why do you guys gotta make me dig all this shit up when we just debated this a few days ago.Yeah, riiiiight. You back that one up with a study.You dont know what youre talking about. I already posted this, but here it goes again.
THIS IS WHY POT IS ILLEGAL:THAT is why pot is illegal. Absinthe also mentioned another one of the Governments arguments: It has nothing to do with health. It was RACISM that made pot illegal. If it had to do with health, tell me why cigarettes are still legal!Its not a matter of opinion. You said weed is poison. But it is not. If you want to debate, you have to be open to the facts. Otherwise youre just being an ignorant loudmouth.The laws of man do not always agree with the laws of God or ones integrity. I can defend it because it simply should not be illegal. Laws change. Eventually this one will too.
Remember, it was once illegal for blacks to marry whites or for women to vote. Was it immorral for blacks or women to fight for equal rights? Did Martin Luther King not have integrity?
High five for WillydI dont smoke pot.What about us grown adults who can think for ourselves?

you are doing the same thing

you will not stop giving your reason of why is not bad just cuz someone dont agree whit you

and you call it ignorant

 

[f|uke]

you will not stop giving your reason of why is not bad just cuz someone dont agree whit you

and you call it ignorant

Of course I wont stop.. just because you disagree, doesnt mean I'm wrong. And whats the difference between right and wrong? Simple: The Facts.

A Canadian Medical Association study on the effects of marijuana on mental acuity
http://www.cmaj.ca/cgi/content/full...&stored_search=&FIRSTINDEX=0&journalcode=cmaj

Everyone in the study had been subjected to IQ tests between the ages of nine and twelve. They subjected this crew to follow-up IQ tests to see how their lifetime use of marijuana might have affected their IQ. They found that the non-tokers IQ's stayed the same or went up slightly. The light tokers had an average IQ increase of five points, more than the non-tokers. The heavy users had suffered an IQ loss of about four points.

The study further found that after abstaining from weed for three months the differences between the three groups' IQ levels disappeared.

Heres an excerpt:

Although there was no overall difference in IQ difference score between former users and non-users, a subgroup of former users, those who had used at least 5 joints per week (heavy use), was analyzed separately; again, there was no significant difference relative to non-users (t-test, p = 0.7). This lack of a negative impact among the former heavy users is striking, as they had smoked, on average, an estimated 5793 joints over 3.2 years

So there you go. Marijuana is not harmfull to the brain AT ALL. Signed, sealed, and verified. You simply cant argue with that.

Smoking it may intruduce a slight increase in the risk of cancer, but so do cigarettes, alchohol, city air, and sunlight. So if you want to talk about the dangers of Marijuana, you may as well be debating the dangers of going outside during the day.

And if you EAT it, it is not harmfull in any way whatsoever.

Now I have given you FACTS. Still all you have given is opinion.

And that stuff may be why it WAS outlawed back then, but certainly isn't why its outlawed today. You'd be fooling yourself to think otherwise.

Go on, go on say it... I want to hear you say it, "The United States Government is still outlawing marijuana because they're racists"

Its outlawed today because of ignorance, religion, and the status quo. It is outlawed because it has been outlawed, and that makes people like you and Herc automatically assume that its evil. Again, if it were a health concern, why are cigs legal? And why has it been decriminalized in Canada? They care more about the costs of health care then we do.

 

[Dan]

Although that's not a definative study. Technically you only get a true control when you take a random sample of subjects and then assign a certain number of them to become chronic pot users.

But either way if you read that study the interesting thing is that current heavy users were down 4 pts in IQ while light users were up 5 pts and non-users up only 2 pts

 

[Dan]

And why has it been decriminalized in Canada? They care more about the costs of health care then we do.

It's not decriminalized up here. For a while it sort of was in Ontario, but basically you don't get a criminal record for possession, just a fine. And in BC well, most people are fine with it on the West Coast. You'd only get arrested if you somehow aggravated the police or flaunted it somehow.

 

[f|uke]

But either way if you read that study the interesting thing is that current heavy users were down 4 pts in IQ while light users were up 5 pts and non-users up only 2 pts

The heavy users got those 4 pts back after three months of being sober. But it is interesting that the light users scored better then the non-users And while it may not be totally "definative", it is hard evidence, as hard as it comes, and has been backed up by a US study. http://aje.oupjournals.org/cgi/cont...ored_search=&FIRSTINDEX=0&journalcode=amjepid
Heres an except from that study:

The authors conclude that over long time periods, in persons under age 65 years, cognitive decline occurs in all age groups. This decline is closely associated with aging and educational level but does not appear to be associated with cannabis use.

 

[ButtHoleMcGee]

Pot made me enjoy watching a Steven Segal movie.

 

[Dan]

Well then it turly is causing you some form of mental harm. I think that piece of evidence alone counters any so called study.

 

[f|uke]

Oh, and, Raziaar, you are officially blowing hot air. First you make several inflamatory comments, just to say you were kidding, and then you contradict what you stated in a previous thread.

Heres what you just said

The reason its illegal here in the states is because the government views it as dangerous for the individuals who use it, as well as for the populace as a whole. And hey... I agree with them on this.

And heres what you said a few days ago

I do believe people should be able to use the drug in their home, as long as it doesn't come into the public eye, and when it does... I don't think the crime should be all that punishing, unless one continues to break the law.

As stated, Alchohol is one drug that the government allows in the privacy of ones own home or in private establishments. But not pot. Yet you agree with them,. but you dont.

Well then it turly is causing you some form of mental harm. I think that piece of evidence alone counters any so called study.

 

[Hercules331]

Fluke, what are you defending? For who, for what? So you can get high? So other ppl can get high? To fight for what you believe in? You are fighting for a worthless cause. No matter what you believe, the majority of the world will believe that illicit drugs are wrong. What exactly are you fighting for, your pride or honor? Because no one gives a sh*t about you. How would your parents feel if they knew what you were condoning here?