are people here that really uses drugs?

[The Mullinator]

Fluke, what are you defending? For who, for what? So you can get high? So other ppl can get high? To fight for what you believe in? You are fighting for a worthless cause. No matter what you believe, the majority of the world will believe that illicit drugs are wrong. What exactly are you fighting for, your pride or honor? Because no one gives a sh*t about you. How would your parents feel if they knew what you were condoning here?

I give a shit. I support him.

I can ask you all the exact same questions. Why are you fighting against it? For what? So you don't have to put up with people getting high around you? To fight for what you believe in? You are fighting for a cause that is slowly being shown as wrong. What exactly are you fighting for, your pride or honor? How would your parents feel if they knew you were fighting for a cause that is currently being shown as having done the wrong things in the past?

 

[BabyHeadCrab]

Legalize Herb!

 

[Hercules331]

I give a shit. I support him.

I can ask you all the exact same questions. Why are you fighting against it? For what? So you don't have to put up with people getting high around you? To fight for what you believe in? You are fighting for a cause that is slowly being shown as wrong. What exactly are you fighting for, your pride or honor? How would your parents feel if they knew you were fighting for a cause that is currently being shown as having done the wrong things in the past?

I am trying to irradicate the world of drugs and drug users. My parents know I dont do drugs and are against them as well.

P.S.- Nice comeback

 

[bliink]

Drug threads are worse than iraq war threads for sheer argumentative nature.
Yikes.

Also, fluke, this really is going nowhere if you wont concede anything; you're just arguing a truism then.
To say "Marijuana is not harmfull to the brain AT ALL." still fails to acknowledge indirect harm that would come to the brain, eg, the same root problems that originate with smoking; inhaling basically anything aside from air will end up having some type of negative effect which may or may not affect the brain in some way.
Concede a little to the points of others, or at least try a little more perspective and this thread might actually make some headway; right now, all thats happening is everyone repeating their point of view over and over like a broken record.
I'm not singling fluke out either, you all need to be just a little more... understanding of eachother.

 

[willyd]

Fluke, what are you defending? For who, for what? So you can get high? So other ppl can get high? To fight for what you believe in? You are fighting for a worthless cause. No matter what you believe, the majority of the world will believe that illicit drugs are wrong. What exactly are you fighting for, your pride or honor? Because no one gives a sh*t about you. How would your parents feel if they knew what you were condoning here?

Its all about fighting for whats right EVEN if it is unpopular. The Nazi party was popular in Germany but it doesnt mean they were right.


By the way: My position is that weed should only be illegal when tobacco is.

 

[Hercules331]

^^^^ So you are saying that smoking pot is right even though its unpopular? Or vise versa. BTW, bliink i heard u are a girl, is that true, and if so a/l?

 

[Wraith]

Once in a while i engage in casual marijuana use. This means about once every 2-3 months on average. I find nothing wrong with it morally, as it doesn't hurt anyone. I have wanted to try LSD for a while now, but probably will not.

 

[willyd]

^^^^ So you are saying that smoking pot is right even though its unpopular? Or vise versa. BTW, bliink i heard u are a girl, is that true, and if so a/l?

Nope, just saying that just because something is popular, that doesnt mean it is right.

 

[Hercules331]

Just because pot is popular doesnt mean its right. And btw, fighting for equal rights between races is nothing like fighting for your right to get high. Whats right isnt always popular and whats popular isnt always right.

 

[Burn]

bliink i heard u are a girl, is that true, and if so a/l?

....And then the world did point and laugh.

 

[BabyHeadCrab]

....And then the world did point and laugh.

I think...hope he's jokeing. :monkee:

 

[f|uke]

Cheers, Mullinator

^^^^ So you are saying that smoking pot is right even though its unpopular? Or vise versa.

Nobody said pot smoking pot is "right". Its just not "wrong".

Fluke, what are you defending? For who, for what?

I am defending liberty and truth, because it is the right thing to do. Because I have integrity.

What exactly are you fighting for, your pride or honor? Because no one gives a sh*t about you.

How noble and dignified. You truely are a holy crusader. And yet, doesnt the same apply to you? Actually, according to your poll, more people here accept pot, so I'd say you are the minority.

No, I am simply responding to RJ's call, by speaking truth. My only intention is to uphold the truth. If pot was dangerous, that is what I would be saying.

How would your parents feel if they knew what you were condoning here?

My mother agrees with me. My late father did too.

But what my parents think doesnt matter, because unlike you, I am an adult. You see, I am 29 years old, but still even when I was your age I was more mature then you. I operate at a differnt level then you, one that you clearly cannot comprehend. I'm not going to bother wasting any more of my time with your pety insults, empty arguments, and blind fanatacism.

I think...hope he's jokeing.

I'm sure he wasnt. :dozey:

 

[Danimal]

^^^^ So you are saying that smoking pot is right even though its unpopular? Or vise versa. BTW, bliink i heard u are a girl, is that true, and if so a/l?

She is a girl, I doubt she will want to tell you her a/l... Reminds me of Counter-Strike, if anyone pretends to be a girl or is a girl all the guys will go easy on him/her and will put smilies on the end of all thier messages :hmph:

 

[Raziaar]

Seriously, its funny when I see guys who haven't been around girls much when it comes to gaming. I'm used to that stuff, I can maintain a professional composure. After all, I used to be in a clan with nearly two dozen women, and everybody used teamspeak for voice communication <chuckles>

 

[Kommie]

I did not know she was a lady, bliink whats your a/l (this is a joke and I dont even know WTF a/l means, and quite frankly I dont care what it means)
I mean jesus I just assumed everyone here was male, kind of stupid of me I guess.

 

[BabyHeadCrab]

Seriously, its funny when I see guys who haven't been around girls much when it comes to gaming. I'm used to that stuff, I can maintain a professional composure. After all, I used to be in a clan with nearly two dozen women, and everybody used teamspeak for voice communication <chuckles>

LOL I expected you to say you lived with women, or that you have many female friends, but you say "I was in a clan with a dozen women" lol

 

[Raziaar]

LOL I expected you to say you lived with women, or that you have many female friends, but you say "I was in a clan with a dozen women" lol

I don't live with a woman, but I do have many female friends. However, that's seperate from interacting with women in a gaming enviroment. Most of those female friends outside of the internet do not play games. There may be guys who have female friends, but still act all weird around women in an online enviroment. I don't, simply because i've had lots of experience with them there, especially in realms where they are not as prevailant.

 

[The Mullinator]

I am trying to irradicate the world of drugs and drug users. My parents know I dont do drugs and are against them as well.

P.S.- Nice comeback

When you get down to the core of it the drugs you are thinking of are the "mind altering" drugs. You want to ban all mind altering and dangerous drugs.

Personally I just want to ban all dangerous drugs such as cocain. Mind altering drugs such as caffeine, alcohal, marijuana, are only dangerous when done in excessive amounts. I feel marijuana was wrongfully labelled as a "dangerous" drug and that is why it remains banned. Recent studies as you have seen though show that it is only dangerous in excessive amounts, so I see no reason to not legalize it.

That "everyone is doing it" argument doesn't work for something fundamentally wrong such as murder. However for something that is now shown as being harmless like smoking weed it does work. There has been a steady increase in pot smokers in recent years and there is no sign of those numbers starting to decline. There is no real reason for why it should remain illegal so why should it remain illegal? Just so you can rid the world of all mind altering and unnatural drugs? Well if that is the case then caffeine should soon be banned since it is also a mind altering drug that our bodies were not designed to take.

The more I hear people arguing against it and the more I actually read up on marijuana the more I begin to realize that weed is really just as harmless and normal for human beings to take as caffeine or alcohal. The ONLY thing that makes weed so unaceptable in our society when compared to alcohal or caffeine is the label it was given over 50 years ago. That is truly it.

EDIT: This is the way western societies seem to view drugs:
Good drugs = drugs for healing people
bad drugs = dangerous or recreational drugs
Alcohal and Caffeine although they truly are mind altering drugs aren't really even considered as drugs.

Personally I don't see why recreational drugs that aren't dangerous (such as weed) should be viewed as bad. Yes they aren't natural for our bodies but then again neither are any medicinal drugs.

 

[f|uke]

and if someone like fluke who doesn't EVEN smoke defends pot... i mean...

Well, I used to. Had to quit tho. I need to be able to pass drug tests for work, and, really, pot made me pretty lazy. Honestly I'm happier now that I'm not smoking it. But I still strongy believe that it should be decriminalized.

Mullinator: Well put.

 

[RRunner]

I quit too but I will defend certain drugs.

Weed does not damage the brain at all. I have already cited a study that demonstrates this, and would be happy to cite it again.

I was wondering Fluke if u have tested Skunk crystals or is that not weed?
I have a somewhat large knowledge about Drugs, mainly Hashis (the damage i´ve gotten from this can be explained by the quality of hash in someways, there are alot of shiet in hash at times).
But i smoked Skunk crystal too, and they r very very potent. Now the damage you can get from this is, im almost sure not physical, but the psykological dam u can get can be great. There is something called a cannabis induced psykosis, i have 2 friends to suffer from this, i´ll admitt this is from hardcore use of drugs (but hey, as i see it there is no other enjoyable way of smoking), sure it fun to light a blunt 4 times a month, and laugh a little (tihitihitihi), but hardcore use (im talking 5-10 grams aday) is the only fun way of smoking (since its at those levels, the fun starts fun the brain, it here you break on through to the other side). :smoking:

 

[f|uke]

I was wondering Fluke if u have tested Skunk crystals or is that not weed?

I've had weed labled skunk, and have only smoked small amounts of pure kief (the crystals).

Now the damage you can get from this is, im almost sure not physical, but the psykological dam u can get can be great. There is something called a cannabis induced psykosis, i have 2 friends to suffer from this, i´ll admitt this is from hardcore use of drugs (but hey, as i see it there is no other enjoyable way of smoking), sure it fun to light a blunt 4 times a month, and laugh a little (tihitihitihi), but hardcore use (im talking 5-10 grams aday) is the only fun way of smoking (since its at those levels, the fun starts fun the brain, it here you break on through to the other side). :smoking:

:dozey:

Yes. I'm sure you can screw yourself up psychologically if you smoke 5-10 GRAMS A DAY!?!?! CHRIST!!!
Thats a $80-$150/day habit around here, man. When I smoked, I smoked maybe a third of a gram a day, or as much as one whole gram on a really really heavy day.

Using weed to "break through to the other side"? You're intentionally smoking to the point where your brain cannot properly function. I hope you know you're not touching God. You're just smoking yourself halfway unconscious.

And dont think I dont know what it is to get trashed out of my skull or go into "flipmode". Thats just not something I want to do at this stage in my life.

 

[Razor]

Fluke, two things, one i didn't say pcp (i presume that is cannabis) can kill you but i have heard from people and studies that it can cause dementia and for you to see things i.e. staying awake for 4 days+ has the same effect. However, when you are awake for that long, to get rid of the "voices" in your head and the shadows darting about around you, all you need do is get a goodnights sleep and when you wake up a day later, you're fine.

Also, one thing i would like to know is why do people take Cannabis for medical reasons when their are far better drugs out there that will help the persons medical condition far more then smoking a "spliff" ever will? It just sounds so stupid to me, like drinking alcohol to overcome cancer, or smoking cigarettes to overcome heart disease or something. The only thing i could think of would be a temporary release of pain and a temporary high where you just don't give a shit about having a terrible disease as you're so high on cannabis?

 

[DEATH eVADER]

I have a heavy dosage of computer gaming mayhem as well as a few bottles of Diet Coke, the most evilest drink ever conceived by terrible men.

 

[WySiWyG]

people dont really use drugs, they pretend to to look cool.

 

[f|uke]

Fluke, two things, one i didn't say pcp (i presume that is cannabis)

:|

How little you kids know about drugs. I guess thats not a bad thing.

PCP = Angel Dust = Elephant Tranqulizer. Only suicidal people use PCP.
That comment had to do with you guys lumping all drugs together as if it were black and white.

but i have heard from people and studies that it can cause dementia and for you to see things i.e. staying awake for 4 days+ has the same effect. However, when you are awake for that long, to get rid of the "voices" in your head and the shadows darting about around you, all you need do is get a goodnights sleep and when you wake up a day later, you're fine.

People rarely halucinate from weed, but just like sleep dep, all effects go away after it leaves your system.

Also, one thing i would like to know is why do people take Cannabis for medical reasons when their are far better drugs out there that will help the persons medical condition far more then smoking a "spliff" ever will?

For some ailments, marijuana works quite well. And why shouldnt someone prefer to take a natrual drug as opposed to one manufactured in a labratory. Yes, it numbs, and for some patients, it does help them not care so much about being terminally ill. Is that a bad thing? Should dying people suffer?

 

[Razor]

Drug threads are worse than iraq war threads for sheer argumentative nature.
Yikes.

I'll have to start a thread called "Drugs during the Iraq War" then and see what happens :naughty:.

 

[bliink]

I did not know she was a lady, bliink whats your a/l (this is a joke and I dont even know WTF a/l means, and quite frankly I dont care what it means)
I mean jesus I just assumed everyone here was male, kind of stupid of me I guess.

you know, there is a PM system so you dont need to post that in the middle of an unrelated thread lol..

(ps. that doesnt mean "pm me and i'll tell you my asl!")

but yeah, there are a few girls here... dont go harassing them now.

 

[Razor]

:|

How little you kids know about drugs. I guess thats not a bad thing.

PCP = Angel Dust = Elephant Tranqulizer. Only suicidal people use PCP.
That comment had to do with you guys lumping all drugs together as if it were black and white.People rarely halucinate from weed, but just like sleep dep, all effects go away after it leaves your system.For some ailments, marijuana works quite well. And why shouldnt someone prefer to take a natrual drug as opposed to one manufactured in a labratory. Yes, it numbs, and for some patients, it does help them not care so much about being terminally ill. Is that a bad thing? Should dying people suffer?

But why take Cannabis though, when there are drugs that are specifically designed to target a specific ailment. Cannabis might help in some ways, but wouldn't it be better to use a manufactured drug that targets your illness directly and has been researched upon and tasted thoroughly and that you can buy over a counter or get from a doctor who knows what he is doing then go to a drug dealer and buy some drugs.

Anyway, i do realise that Cannabis isn't as bad as things like Cocaine, etc, so you can stop arguing that point to me as it is a point i have always known. All i am saying is that Cannabis, like most drugs, does have undesired effects and can damage a person, either directly or indirectly from taking it.

 

[WySiWyG]

But why take Cannabis though, when there are drugs that are specifically designed to target a specific ailment. Cannabis might help in some ways, but wouldn't it be better to use a manufactured drug that targets your illness directly and has been researched upon and tasted thoroughly and that you can buy over a counter or get from a doctor who knows what he is doing then go to a drug dealer and buy some drugs.

Anyway, i do realise that Cannabis isn't as bad as things like Cocaine, etc, so you can stop arguing that point to me as it is a point i have always known. All i am saying is that Cannabis, like most drugs, does have undesired effects and can damage a person, either directly or indirectly from taking it.

Why do anyting? Everything has undesired side effects. Eat pies you become fat. Hair cuts make your head cold. Farting makes the room smell.

If you dont like it, dont do it. Why is it so hard to believe people can live happy normal lives and still take drugs recreationaly?

If you can fund a heroine addiction and live a normal life, it is one
least harmful drugs out there.

Now I expect my last comment to go straight over the heads of most of you. I'll wait for the flames, light my spliff off them and explain my point.

 

[Razor]

But how many people with a Heroine addiction actually live a normal life though, 0%? And then you're putting money into the hands of some very shady, undesirable people.

BUt Fluke, and the other drug users, i have changed my mind about one point though. Cannabis should, even though it has harmful effects, be legalised - as long as cannabis use has the same laws as cigarette use will have in a few years time i.e. smoking it in public is illegal, can only be used at home, and only people over the age of 18 can buy it. No cannabis cafes, like they have in Holland, No under 18's buying it, No smoking it in pubs, clubs, on the street, etc, and would be heavily taxed, but get sold in newsagents, supermarkets, etc. Also, proper education as to the very harmful effects exposure to it can have. The industry would also be heavily regulated and controlled. And no tv or sports advertising either.

But smoking cigarettes in this day and age is frowned upon, and becoming more frowned upon, so i don't see cannabis as being any different.

 

[Hercules331]

I am defending liberty and truth, because it is the right thing to do. Because I have integrity.

If you are defending that then why dont you grab a weapon and join the armed forces. That is an integral thing to do and in case you didnt know, the armed forces dont allow pot.

P.S.- Just because more people voted yes in my poll does not mean it is right, it just means that many hl2.net kids need some asswippin.

 

[Tr0n]

I can see this thread going to hell.

 

[The Mullinator]

P.S.- Just because more people voted yes in my poll does not mean it is right, it just means that many hl2.net kids need some asswippin.

You still havn't said why you think it is wrong. We have already shown that it isn't outragiously unhealthy when compared to alcohal, and the argument that it is wrong because it is illegal is downright useless. If you think it is wrong just because that is what you have been told then I don't think you have any right in deciding whether someone else deserves an "asswippin".

Heck if you just don't like it because the people you have seen smoking it are complete idiots who you hate then fine, but then let me tell you something. Those are only the marijuana smokers who you see, those are the marijuana smokers that let themselves be seen. Most smokers aren't like that at all, they look normal, have lived normal lives, have normal parents, and do relatively well in school.

Take myself for example, this is a story I told in another recent thread. I am not a heavy user of the drug at all by any means. I have done it 4 times in my entire life and I am currently 18 years old. I am currently enrolled in a well known Canadian university taking Computer Science. My parents are both professional engineers and each own their own small businesses that do contract work for mostly major aerospace companies (although they often get contracts from various other sources). My father has a PhD in mechanical engineering and my Mother has a masters degree also in mechanical engineering. My father recieved the governor generals award (very special Canadian award) for recieving the highest average in his years getting his Bachelors degree while in university. He was also the chief mechanical engineer of the Canadarm (the robotic arm used on the Space Shuttle)while he worked at the Canadian aerospace company SPAR.

Both my parents have admitted to doing marijuana once in their lives. Before I went to university they told me that they did it, in fact they were surprised when I told them I had never done it yet myself (I was lying when I said I didn't at that point). It just goes to show you that not everyone who does marijuana is the stereo-typical pot-head everyone imagines.

 

[Reaktor4]

Another thread full of the usual shite. Well done rjmc.

 

[RRunner]

Using weed to "break through to the other side"? You're intentionally smoking to the point where your brain cannot properly function. I hope you know you're not touching God. You're just smoking yourself halfway unconscious.

5 years clean m8 :cheers: but with some damage...but...its not that bad. and oh no your not touching God..... you are God...

And dont think I dont know what it is to get trashed out of my skull or go into "flipmode". Thats just not something I want to do at this stage in my life.

It´s full of stars :rolling:

 

[Reaktor4]

But how many people with a Heroine addiction actually live a normal life though, 0%? And then you're putting money into the hands of some very shady, undesirable people.

BUt Fluke, and the other drug users, i have changed my mind about one point though. Cannabis should, even though it has harmful effects, be legalised - as long as cannabis use has the same laws as cigarette use will have in a few years time i.e. smoking it in public is illegal, can only be used at home, and only people over the age of 18 can buy it. No cannabis cafes, like they have in Holland, No under 18's buying it, No smoking it in pubs, clubs, on the street, etc, and would be heavily taxed, but get sold in newsagents, supermarkets, etc. Also, proper education as to the very harmful effects exposure to it can have. The industry would also be heavily regulated and controlled. And no tv or sports advertising either.

 

[baron insig]

i Have utilised Drugs

paracetemol

along with other substances

But im hooked on coca cola and coffee again now i ahd my first mug yesterday and i want it again

 

[SenorDingDong]

a lot of you people who are totally against drugs and either young and ignorant as hell, or just plain stupid. Especially with marijuana.

Drinking a cup of coffee everyday is just as bad as smoking a joint everyday, if not worse...

Smoking cigarrettes are far worse then marijuana, but their legal... does that make sense? no...

 

[Hercules331]

Yeah being against drugs is real ignorant and stupid. What the **** was I thinking?

 

[SimonomiS]

We should have a drugs forum, or a drugs sticky, how many drug threads have there been that all lead to the same sort of argument?